This show-cause is great for Pearl.

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utvolpj said:
that's great but Billy D still won SEC titles and NCAA titles while Bruce didn't. Regular season losses aren't that big in college basketball
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I think you are missing the point. It isn't a discussion about who is the better coach between Donovan and Pearl. It's about whether Pearl is/was a good coach.
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#77
#77
cncchris33 said:
I think you are missing the point. It isn't a discussion about who is the better coach between Donovan and Pearl. It's about whether Pearl is/was a good coach.
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Its a concept that is hard to wrap your mind around.
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#78
#78
cncchris33 said:
I think you are missing the point. It isn't a discussion about who is the better coach between Donovan and Pearl. It's about whether Pearl is/was a good coach.
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He wasn't. He was just a great promoter.
 
#79
#79
cncchris33 said:
I think you are missing the point. It isn't a discussion about who is the better coach between Donovan and Pearl. It's about whether Pearl is/was a good coach.
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good? Yes but not great. While he did beat some good coaches he also got beat by some bad ones
 
#81
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utvolpj said:
good? Yes but not great. While he did beat some good coaches he also got beat by some bad ones
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If that is the parameter you are going to use then you can go ahead and throw out every coach in their entire history. They've all lost to some bad coaches.

Check Pearl's overall record against the SEC and get back with me.
 
#83
#83
jp1 said:
Name the bad ones that had his number.
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I don't think Billy Gillispie is a bad coach, but there's a reason his tenure in Lexington was only 2 years, and he was a Patrick Patterson injury away from being 4-0 against Pearl.

And Kevin O'Neill, a frequent target of ridicule from Pearlophiles, was 2-0 against Pearl.
 
#84
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LawVol13 said:
Check the overall strength of the League while Pearl was coach. It was pathetic as UK sucked most of his tenure.
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Thats funny the SEC won the national champiinship 33% of the time while he was here.
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#85
#85
SGMVols said:
I don't think Billy Gillispie is a bad coach, but there's a reason his tenure in Lexington was only 2 years, and he was a Patrick Patterson injury away from being 4-0 against Pearl.

And Kevin O'Neill, a frequent target of ridicule from Pearlophiles, was 2-0 against Pearl.
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Neither bad coaches. Also wonder if anything else helped Mr Gillespie out the door?
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#86
#86
jp1 said:
Thats funny the SEC won the national champiinship 33% of the time while he was here.
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Yes, Florida was good. UK, the traditional power sucked. Arkansas sucked. Auburn sucked. Georgia sucked. South Carolina sucked. Vandy was mediocre. Alabama sucked. Mississippi State was mediocre. Ole Miss sucked. LSU, who was good for one year of Pearl's tenure sucked the vast majority of the time he was there. Does that cover all of them?
 
#87
#87
LawVol13 said:
Check the overall strength of the League while Pearl was coach. It was pathetic as UK sucked most of his tenure.
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He can't help that the rest of the league wasn't up to par. And honestly, there is only one historically great program and that is Ky. Florida has had a great run under Donovan and Pearl owned him head-to-head. Beat him three times out of four when he practically had a NBA team for 2 years.

The team that was the most dominant in the SEC during the Pearl era was Florida and Pearl owned them.
 
#88
#88
OrangeBalls said:
He can't help that the rest of the league wasn't up to par.
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I didn't say that he could. I was just pointing out one of those "cold, hard facts" that you were clearly avoiding. See, that's the beauty of looking at things in context rather than looking at them with your head up Bruce Pearl's ass.
 
#89
#89
LawVol13 said:
I didn't say that he could. I was just pointing out one of those "cold, hard facts" that you were clearly avoiding. See, that's the beauty of looking at things in context rather than looking at them with your head up Bruce Pearl's ass.
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Or how about looking at his head-to-head record against Donovan, his total wins, NCAA tourney wins and wins against top programs in out of conference play. Maybe you could take that into context if you extracted your head out of hat's ass.

It's too bad you had such an unhealthy obsession over someone you didn't even know to not be able to enjoy his tenure. Pathetic, but par for the course. Sucks to be you.
 
#90
#90
OrangeBalls said:
He can't help that the rest of the league wasn't up to par. And honestly, there is only one historically great program and that is Ky. Florida has had a great run under Donovan and Pearl owned him head-to-head. Beat him three times out of four when he practically had a NBA team for 2 years.

The team that was the most dominant in the SEC during the Pearl era was Florida and Pearl owned them.
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It really makes no difference who he owned or didn't own. He is no longer the coach and has been basically banned by the NCAA from coaching anywhere for 3 years. A news flash----he is no longer the coach at UT. He brought all his problems on himself by being completely unethical in his conduct. His behavior and response to the NCAA investigation speaks for itself. The NCAA report even acknowledges that they would not be involved in a long term investigation had Pearl not been completely unethical in his response. It is what it is. He has verified his character and will suffer the consequences. To continue to praise his tenure at UT is senseless. We should be happy he is gone before he completely destroyed the program by his unethical behavior.
 
#91
#91
OrangeBalls said:
It's too bad you had such an unhealthy obsession over someone you didn't even know to not be able to enjoy his tenure. Pathetic, but par for the course. Sucks to be you.
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I'm not the one that comes to the defense of the great Pearl every time his name is mentioned nor have I said anything about him that's not true. What you've done here is similar to what the Fulmer supporters do. Cite a record while taking nothing into context. When Pearl's accomplishments are placed in their proper perspective, he did a nice job at Tennessee. Nothing miraculous, but he was good.
 
#92
#92
LawVol13 said:
I'm not the one that comes to the defense of the great Pearl every time his name is mentioned nor have I said anything about him that's not true. What you've done here is similar to what the Fulmer supporters do. Cite a record while taking nothing into context. When Pearl's accomplishments are placed in their proper perspective, he did a nice job at Tennessee. Nothing miraculous, but he was good.
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Still bringing it LV. I love it.
 
#93
#93
LawVol13 said:
Yes, Florida was good. UK, the traditional power sucked. Arkansas sucked. Auburn sucked. Georgia sucked. South Carolina sucked. Vandy was mediocre. Alabama sucked. Mississippi State was mediocre. Ole Miss sucked. LSU, who was good for one year of Pearl's tenure sucked the vast majority of the time he was there. Does that cover all of them?
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Without wanting to jump into this argument, I have to ask, what's your point? You feel free to point out the weakness of his conference competition, but regardless of who Tennessee's coach was over the last six seasons, the SEC is what it is. That's not Pearl's fault. His responsibility was to have Tennessee prepared to compete and win division and conference championships, which they did. You conveniently left out the fact that year in and year out, the overall SOS was top 5ish, as was the RPI.

If you want to hate Pearl, that's fine, but don't exclude facts contrary to your point just to make the situation look more rosy for your side of the argument. The fact is that Pearl had one of the most successful runs in program history in a relatively weak SEC while still maintaining a top 5 SOS and RPI by playing and defeating many higher ranked and more talented OOC opponents.

Again, I don't say any of this as a Pearl defender, but there is a faction on this board that wants to discount anything positive that he did by making excuses for his accomplishments, but think every bad decision of his was cut and dry. It's a two-way street.
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#94
#94
cncchris33 said:
Without wanting to jump into this argument, I have to ask, what's your point? You feel free to point out the weakness of his conference competition, but regardless of who Tennessee's coach was over the last six seasons, the SEC is what it is. That's not Pearl's fault. His responsibility was to have Tennessee prepared to compete and win division and conference championships, which they did. You conveniently left out the fact that year in and year out, the overall SOS was top 5ish, as was the RPI.

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I wasn't discounting anything Pearl has done. I was simply placing into the proper perspective the notion that Pearl did these unprecedented things in the SEC. He didn't. He was good, but not great. Jerry Green did nearly as much in the conference while the conference was better. That's my point; that doesn't mean Pearl sucks or wasn't good for Tennessee. It just places his accomplishments in the proper perspective.
 
#95
#95
BasketvolsFan said:
It really makes no difference who he owned or didn't own. He is no longer the coach and has been basically banned by the NCAA from coaching anywhere for 3 years. A news flash----he is no longer the coach at UT. He brought all his problems on himself by being completely unethical in his conduct. His behavior and response to the NCAA investigation speaks for itself. The NCAA report even acknowledges that they would not be involved in a long term investigation had Pearl not been completely unethical in his response. It is what it is. He has verified his character and will suffer the consequences. To continue to praise his tenure at UT is senseless. We should be happy he is gone before he completely destroyed the program by his unethical behavior.
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The program IS NOT completely destroyed. That is an exaggerated overreaction
 
#96
#96
LawVol13 said:
I'm not the one that comes to the defense of the great Pearl every time his name is mentioned nor have I said anything about him that's not true. What you've done here is similar to what the Fulmer supporters do. Cite a record while taking nothing into context. When Pearl's accomplishments are placed in their proper perspective, he did a nice job at Tennessee. Nothing miraculous, but he was good.
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I think you nailed with your last two sentences there. He wasn't Red Auerbach, but he wasn't Wade Houston either. He did a GREAT job making the program relevant nationally. He did a GOOD job sustaining success.
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#97
#97
cncchris33 said:
Without wanting to jump into this argument, I have to ask, what's your point? You feel free to point out the weakness of his conference competition, but regardless of who Tennessee's coach was over the last six seasons, the SEC is what it is. That's not Pearl's fault. His responsibility was to have Tennessee prepared to compete and win division and conference championships, which they did. You conveniently left out the fact that year in and year out, the overall SOS was top 5ish, as was the RPI.

If you want to hate Pearl, that's fine, but don't exclude facts contrary to your point just to make the situation look more rosy for your side of the argument. The fact is that Pearl had one of the most successful runs in program history in a relatively weak SEC while still maintaining a top 5 SOS and RPI by playing and defeating many higher ranked and more talented OOC opponents.

Again, I don't say any of this as a Pearl defender, but there is a faction on this board that wants to discount anything positive that he did by making excuses for his accomplishments, but think every bad decision of his was cut and dry. It's a two-way street.
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Could be due to his unethical conduct that threatened the destruction of the program and cancelled all those great accomplishments. His overall record must include his being fired and leaving the program in a complete re-build mode. Interesting how you Pearl supporters want to justify his actions by his coaching record, while completing ignoring the negatives he brought to the program.
 
#98
#98
LawVol13 said:
I'm not the one that comes to the defense of the great Pearl every time his name is mentioned nor have I said anything about him that's not true. What you've done here is similar to what the Fulmer supporters do. Cite a record while taking nothing into context. When Pearl's accomplishments are placed in their proper perspective, he did a nice job at Tennessee. Nothing miraculous, but he was good.
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No, you're the one that files lockstep right up hat's ass and the other minions any time anyone has a differing opinion on Pearl. Then the tired, infantile remarks get thrown out and you rinse and repeat. That group is obsessed with Pearl. A complete unhealthy obsession that everyone has seen over a long period of time. He must've been boinking your mom, wife, daughter or girlfriend to have such a unhealthy obsession. What other reason could you get so worked up for? No life?

The fact is you can't bear to give any credit to Pearl during his tenure when it is shown beyond a doubt that he is easily one of the top basketball coaches in the entire history of UT's program. While that may not be "miraculous", looking at the past coaches and their "success", it is indeed impressive. Something you have trouble coming to grips with.
 
#99
#99
BelAirVol said:
The program IS NOT completely destroyed. That is an exaggerated overreaction
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I did not say the program was completely destroyed. I indicated that his continued tenure as coach could have resulted in the destruction of the program. Try reading prior to responding.
 
#100
#100
BasketvolsFan said:
Could be due to his unethical conduct that threatened the destruction of the program and cancelled all those great accomplishments. His overall record must include his being fired and leaving the program in a complete re-build mode. Interesting how you Pearl supporters want to justify his actions by his coaching record, while completing ignoring the negatives he brought to the program.
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What sanctions is Martin going to be working under or did I miss that part of the NCAA press conference?
 
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