This show-cause is great for Pearl.

#101
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LawVol13 said:
I wasn't discounting anything Pearl has done. I was simply placing into the proper perspective the notion that Pearl did these unprecedented things in the SEC. He didn't. He was good, but not great. Jerry Green did nearly as much in the conference while the conference was better. That's my point; that doesn't mean Pearl sucks or wasn't good for Tennessee. It just places his accomplishments in the proper perspective.
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Everyone has a right to their own opinion. The other guy nailed it though. It appears as though your hatred of Pearl has diminished any objectivity you might have had concerning the program. With all due respect, it's extremely obvious to any objective onlooker. You have a right to not like our ex-coach. You can even disagree that he is a good coach, but would be in a minority with that opinion though
 
#102
#102
OrangeBalls said:
No, you're the one that files lockstep right up hat's ass and the other minions any time anyone has a differing opinion on Pearl. Then the tired, infantile remarks get thrown out and you rinse and repeat. That group is obsessed with Pearl. A complete unhealthy obsession that everyone has seen over a long period of time. He must've been boinking your mom, wife, daughter or girlfriend to have such a unhealthy obsession. What other reason could you get so worked up for? No life?

The fact is you can't bear to give any credit to Pearl during his tenure when it is shown beyond a doubt that he is easily one of the top basketball coaches in the entire history of UT's program. While that may not be "miraculous", looking at the past coaches and their "success", it is indeed impressive. Something you have trouble coming to grips with.
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YOU are suggesting others are obsessed with Pearl---laughable!
 
#103
#103
OrangeBalls said:
No, you're the one that files lockstep right up hat's ass and the other minions any time anyone has a differing opinion on Pearl. Then the tired, infantile remarks get thrown out and you rinse and repeat. That group is obsessed with Pearl. A complete unhealthy obsession that everyone has seen over a long period of time. He must've been boinking your mom, wife, daughter or girlfriend to have such a unhealthy obsession. What other reason could you get so worked up for? No life?

The fact is you can't bear to give any credit to Pearl during his tenure when it is shown beyond a doubt that he is easily one of the top basketball coaches in the entire history of UT's program. While that may not be "miraculous", looking at the past coaches and their "success", it is indeed impressive. Something you have trouble coming to grips with.
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You're the one that's tossing the insults. You're the one that's clearly obsessed. If fact, I've noted multiple times in this thread and others that Pearl was a good coach and was good for Tennessee. But, I guess that wouldn't go along with your pathetic attempt at an argument. Pearl gets credit from me; however, he is deified by you and a few others that are unfortunately like you.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
Could be due to his unethical conduct that threatened the destruction of the program and cancelled all those great accomplishments. His overall record must include his being fired and leaving the program in a complete re-build mode. Interesting how you Pearl supporters want to justify his actions by his coaching record, while completing ignoring the negatives he brought to the program.
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First of all let me correct you. I am not a Pearl supporter, at least I'm not as you define it. I am a supporter of UT and whoever may be coaching them. Just because someone correctly states he was a good coach, doesn't mean they are a blind supporter of him. I don't even think he was UT best coach, but I am not stupid enought to argue with someone that he can't coach, because he can and he can do it well. That's my opinion, which wouldn't be agreed upon by Hat's minions, but would be agreed upon by 99% of anyone that has the first dam clue about basketball
 
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#106
BelAirVol said:
Everyone has a right to their own opinion. The other guy nailed it though. It appears as though your hatred of Pearl has diminished any objectivity you might have had concerning the program. With all due respect, it's extremely obvious to any objective onlooker. You have a right to not like our ex-coach. You can even disagree that he is a good coach, but would be in a minority with that opinion though
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Maybe you're having trouble reading. You see when someone says, "Bruce Pearl's a good coach and did a good job at Tennessee." That means that that person thinks that Pearl was a good coach and was good for Tennessee. When that person then says, "However, he isn't a God nor the creator of UT basketball." That isn't an insult; that's called looking at things rationally.
 
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#107
LawVol13 said:
You're the one that's tossing the insults. You're the one that's clearly obsessed. If fact, I've noted multiple times in this thread and others that Pearl was a good coach and was good for Tennessee. But, I guess that wouldn't go along with your pathetic attempt at an argument. Pearl gets credit from me; however, he is deified by you and a few others that are unfortunately like you.
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No, you started the insult of my head being up Pearl's ass. I countered by saying you had your head up hat's ass like the other minions. Get it straight. If you can't take it, don't dish it out.

You've begrudgingly given credit but it always comes with a backhanded compliment. You don't have to lie to us to tell us that you hate the man. We already know it. No one has defied Pearl. That's a little fabrication that you like to make up when facts are presented and you can't back anything up except, "well he got lucky against Kansas, but he was coaching with an expanded tourney or the SEC was down". It's laughable, pathetic, but laughable.
 
#108
#108
BelAirVol said:
First of all let me correct you. I am not a Pearl supporter, at least I'm not as you define it. I am a supporter of UT and whoever may be coaching them. Just because someone correctly states he was a good coach, doesn't mean they are a blind supporter of him. I don't even think he was UT best coach, but I am not stupid enought to argue with someone that he can't coach, because he can and he can do it well. That's my opinion, which wouldn't be agreed upon by Hat's minions, but would be agreed upon by 99% of anyone that has the first dam clue about basketball
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I have never said he wasn't a good coach and had good success with the program. I'm simply saying his conduct resulting in his being fired greatly diminished any accomplishments he had as coach at UT.
 
#109
#109
BelAirVol said:
First of all let me correct you. I am not a Pearl supporter, at least I'm not as you define it. I am a supporter of UT and whoever may be coaching them. Just because someone correctly states he was a good coach, doesn't mean they are a blind supporter of him. I don't even think he was UT best coach, but I am not stupid enought to argue with someone that he can't coach, because he can and he can do it well. That's my opinion, which wouldn't be agreed upon by Hat's minions, but would be agreed upon by 99% of anyone that has the first dam clue about basketball
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Hammer meets nail.
 
#110
#110
OrangeBalls said:
You've begrudgingly given credit but it always comes with a backhanded compliment. You don't have to lie to us to tell us that you hate the man. We already know it. No one has defied Pearl. That's a little fabrication that you like to make up when facts are presented and you can't back anything up except, "well he got lucky against Kansas, but he was coaching with an expanded tourney or the SEC was down".
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I'm glad Pearl won because I'm a Tennessee fan. I don't think he's a God. And, I think anyone would objectively say that the McBee fall away three was lucky and we shouldn't have beaten Kansas. But, Pearl did benefit from an expanded tourney and an SEC that was down. Those are facts that should come up every time some idiot starts claiming "Bruce is by far the best coach to ever coach at Tennessee."
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
Could be due to his unethical conduct that threatened the destruction of the program and cancelled all those great accomplishments. His overall record must include his being fired and leaving the program in a complete re-build mode. Interesting how you Pearl supporters want to justify his actions by his coaching record, while completing ignoring the negatives he brought to the program.
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If your level of reading comprehension is so deficient that you are unable to distinguish how far I have gone out of my way to seperate myself from the unabashed Pearl supporters, well, I can't help you then. I have stated more than once that I stand in the middle of those who slobber over his every movement and those whose blind hatred continues to allow them to negate anything positive he ever did.

My point is and always has been, both sides need to acknowledge the good and the bad of his tenure in the interest of full disclosure. Otherwise, you simply look foolish because your love of him or hatred of him has struck such a personal chord, that it has disabled your ability to look ay the situation objectively.
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#112
#112
LawVol13 said:
I'm glad Pearl won because I'm a Tennessee fan. I don't think he's a God. And, I think anyone would objectively say that the McBee fall away three was lucky and we shouldn't have beaten Kansas. But, Pearl did benefit from an expanded tourney and an SEC that was down. Those are facts that should come up every time some idiot starts claiming "Bruce is by far the best coach to ever coach at Tennessee."
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I have never said he was a God. In fact, I don't think I've ever read where someone said he was a God on here. That's something the haters keep throwing out. If he had won a national title, then yes, he could be looked highly upon, but never in the context of a god.

Whether the McBee 3 was luck, Pearl got the benefit of the expanded tourney or the SEC was down, Pearl still won. He won games. He was a winner and some people have trouble accepting that. In fact, he has won every where he has coached. That is what he was brought here to do and people embraced him. That's all I ever gave a crap about. Forget the personal life drama, can you win? Yes, he did. He did things that no other UT coach did while he was here. A whole lot of good and some bad in the end that ended his tenure.
 
#113
#113
cncchris33 said:
If your level of reading comprehension is so deficient that you are unable to distinguish how far I have gone out of my way to seperate myself from the unabashed Pearl supporters, well, I can't help you then. I have stated more than once that I stand in the middle of those who slobber over his every movement and those whose blind hatred continues to allow them to negate anything positive he ever did.

My point is and always has been, both sides need to acknowledge the good and the bad of his tenure in the interest of full disclosure. Otherwise, you simply look foolish because your love of him or hatred of him has struck such a personal chord, that it has disabled your ability to look ay the situation objectively.
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I agree. I have no hatred for Pearl or any other person. I was very unhappy with his actions that resulted in his being fired. I've never said he was not a good coach and did good things with the program. Actually, I thought he was the perfect fit, until his ethics took him down. I'm simply indicating that his behavior and dismissal negated his accomplishments while coach at UT. To say he had no accomplishments, would be stupid.
 
#114
#114
BasketvolsFan said:
I agree. I have no hatred for Pearl or any other person. I was very unhappy with his actions that resulted in his being fired. I've never said he was not a good coach and did good things with the program. Actually, I thought he was the perfect fit, until his ethics took him down. I'm simply indicating that his behavior and dismissal negated his accomplishments while coach at UT. To say he had no accomplishments, would be stupid.
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I don't think they negated his accomplishments. Did they put a damper on his era here? Sure, but the NCAA pretty much let us off. Pearl is the one that got the punishment. Our recruiting was hurt this year and it'll be hurt until Martin can establish some relationships, but we are not functioning under any sanctions other than a 2 year probation where we need to stay clean.

This is about as good as we could've expected it to be given the circumstances. I think everyone here thought we would get some kind of scholarship sanctions and we got nothing. If anything, we should be able to bounce back quicker than anticipated.
 
#115
#115
OrangeBalls said:
Whether the McBee 3 was luck, Pearl got the benefit of the expanded tourney or the SEC was down, Pearl still won. He won games. He was a winner and some people have trouble accepting that. In fact, he has won every where he has coached. That is what he was brought here to do and people embraced him. That's all I ever gave a crap about. Forget the personal life drama, can you win? Yes, he did. He did things that no other UT coach did while he was here. A whole lot of good and some bad in the end that ended his tenure.
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I don't disagree with this. Bottomline, he was unethical and it cost him. He did a good job here and was definitely the best coach since Mears. His accomplishments were good for Tennessee, but, again, it overstates his accomplishments to act as if he is just the clear cut best coach to ever be here.
 
#116
#116
OrangeBalls said:
I don't think they negated his accomplishments. Did they put a damper on his era here? Sure, but the NCAA pretty much let us off. Pearl is the one that got the punishment. Our recruiting was hurt this year and it'll be hurt until Martin can establish some relationships, but we are not functioning under any sanctions other than a 2 year probation where we need to stay clean.

This is about as good as we could've expected it to be given the circumstances. I think everyone here thought we would get some kind of scholarship sanctions and we got nothing. If anything, we should be able to bounce back quicker than anticipated.
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I completely agree. Martin has every opportunity to show what he can do with the program. The NCAA findings were clearly as good as we could have hoped for. We simply will have to disagree on the impact on his accomplishments while coach and the total view of his coaching era.
 
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#117
LawVol13 said:
Maybe you're having trouble reading. You see when someone says, "Bruce Pearl's a good coach and did a good job at Tennessee." That means that that person thinks that Pearl was a good coach and was good for Tennessee. When that person then says, "However, he isn't a God nor the creator of UT basketball." That isn't an insult; that's called looking at things rationally.
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I may be having trouble reading. At least I am at following the e-names here. I was actually responding to BasketVolFan, but nevertheless, I agree in your assessment.
 
#118
#118
BasketvolsFan said:
I completely agree. Martin has every opportunity to show what he can do with the program. The NCAA findings were clearly as good as we could have hoped for. We simply will have to disagree on the impact on his accomplishments while coach and the total view of his coaching era.
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We didn't get any wins or banners (don't take that Elite 8 one down...) taken away from his tenure. Can Memphis say the same about Cal? Yes, Cal is still coaching, but he hurt the program and had wins vacated. Pearl didn't have any wins or anything else vacated because of his lie. That is why the accomplishments still stand to me.
 
#119
#119
LawVol13 said:
I'm glad Pearl won because I'm a Tennessee fan. I don't think he's a God. And, I think anyone would objectively say that the McBee fall away three was lucky and we shouldn't have beaten Kansas. But, Pearl did benefit from an expanded tourney and an SEC that was down. Those are facts that should come up every time some idiot starts claiming "Bruce is by far the best coach to ever coach at Tennessee."
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Actually that McBee shot was the total opposite of a fall away. It was a lean-in after a head fake, and from 20 feet, it really isn't all that lucky if you have a nice stroke, which BTW, McBee does regardless of his woeful shooting percentage
 
#120
#120
OrangeBalls said:
We didn't get any wins or banners (don't take that Elite 8 one down...) taken away from his tenure. Can Memphis say the same about Cal? Yes, Cal is still coaching, but he hurt the program and had wins vacated. Pearl didn't have any wins or anything else vacated because of his lie. That is why the accomplishments still stand to me.
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I agree with this. Has his tenure been tarnished in the eyes of fans? Sure. However, in the eyes of the NCAA, nothing has changed aside from the fact that we have a new coach. We still have the wins, the championships, the banners, etc. Emotionally, his accomplishments are stained because of how his tenure ended, but tangibly, the accomplishments still exist in full.
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#121
#121
BelAirVol said:
Actually that McBee shot was the total opposite of a fall away. It was a lean-in after a head fake, and from 20 feet, it really isn't all that lucky if you have a nice stroke, which BTW, McBee does regardless of his woeful shooting percentage
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Exactly. Up and under 3s are just a regular occurrence in today's game. Especially with a marksman like McBee.
 
#122
#122
cncchris33 said:
I agree with this. Has his tenure been tarnished in the eyes of fans? Sure. However, in the eyes of the NCAA, nothing has changed aside from the fact that we have a new coach. We still have the wins, the championships, the banners, etc. Emotionally, his accomplishments are stained because of how his tenure ended, but tangibly, the accomplishments still exist in full.
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Well, no one will disagree that the NCAA didn't take away any wins or tournament appearances. I am curious about the championships, as in more than one.
 
#125
#125
LawVol13 said:
Exactly. Up and under 3s are just a regular occurrence in today's game. Especially with a marksman like McBee.
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Apparently, you didn't read the entire post. A leaner is nowhere near as tough as a fade away because you are going TOWARDS the basket. Have you ever shot either one of those type shots? Have you ever shot either in a real, competetive game? Ever made them in a real, competitive game? If your answers are YES, then you know what I say is true
 
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