Thompson Lobbied For Abortion Group After All

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GVF said:
Really? And where did Israel go, when they left Him. Why, biblically, will there never be peace in that region amongst the sects, as prophesied by God. Has there been peace, really? Ever? Over there? Show me a historical society elevated to power by religious loyalty, christianity, catholocism, Godly blessings, however you wish to term it, that continued in that level of power and good fortune after they began to abandon said convictions and yielded to decay. Historically speaking, we are the next Roman Empire. When the early Jews were obediant, they received power, and defeated vast armies with few men. When they were disobedient, they became slaves. Whether you intepret history biblically, or secularly, all societies that decayed from whatever form of belief was their building block, they went away by one means or another.
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So when Samaria, Egypt, Macedonia, Greece, Assyria, Persia, Babylon, Rome, etc, I could name many more, left the teachings of God their empires crumbled?

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Do you believe the intent of the founders was to create a Christian safe haven?
 
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#128
I know I've talked about this before, but I have twins who were born at 25 weeks gestation and I can vouch for the fact that there is a point in a 9 month gestation term where the fetus has become a living being. I think this debate is senseless because it's such a fringe issue (the liberals have been wildly successful in making abortion a mainstream issue). What I know for sure is that I have two children today who came into this nearly four months early and they would easily have qualified as late term abortions.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
So when Samaria, Egypt, Macedonia, Greece, Assyria, Persia, Babylon, Rome, etc, I could name many more, left the teachings of God their empires crumbled?

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Do you believe the intent of the founders was to create a Christian safe haven?
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I believe the intent of the founders was to create a haven of religious freedom, free from forced choice and persecution. Maybe a safe haven of sorts, but not in the context you are asking.

In all of the empires you listed, early christianity gained footholds and with it teachings of God. What's your take. All biblical empires experienced defeat at some point for the rejection of God. Two ancient cities destroyed for it as well. I'm just saying...
 
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BigPapaVol said:
What I know for sure is that I have two children today who came into this nearly four months early and they would easily have qualified as late term abortions.
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That "qualification" would only have mattered if you and your spouse had chosen to exercise that option. It's not as if there's some quota of late term abortions whereby some pregnancies are automatically terminated.
 
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allvol123 said:
But, there is no way I can ignore that another person is involved in this matter regardless of the fact that they cannot represent themself.
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Then we balance things out. I have no problem ignoring the alleged rights of a fetus in favor of the ability of a woman to choose how to handle her reproductive options.
 
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I see it as a conflict between a woman's reproductive rights and the right of a viable human being to life with no ability to defend itself. We have plants and animals on endangered lists which have more rights to preservation than human beings. It does not matter whether the difference is being endangered. It's the fact that these beings, with no Constitutional protections, have more voice and protection than human beings that are actually protected in the Constitution.

Life outweighs pursuit of happiness....
 
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hatvol96 said:
Then we balance things out. I have no problem ignoring the alleged rights of a fetus in favor of the ability of a woman to choose how to handle her reproductive options.
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She had plenty of options on how to handle this prior to getting pregnant. Also, in my example of being 8 months pregnant, she still had the option way before she got to this point.
 
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Fact of the matter is we could argue about this issue all day, Fred is a lawyer, I am sure he has represented murderers, and many other criminals, the fact that he advised this group does not mean he supports them anymore than he supports the other criminals he has represented.
 
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allvol123 said:
She had plenty of options on how to handle this prior to getting pregnant. Also, in my example of being 8 months pregnant, she still had the option way before she got to this point.
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Who are you to decide what range of options a woman has?
 
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Sjernigan88 said:
Fact of the matter is we could argue about this issue all day, Fred is a lawyer, I am sure he has represented murderers, and many other criminals, the fact that he advised this group does not mean he supports them anymore than he supports the other criminals he has represented.
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Is he lobbying for murderers and other criminals? It's a matter of advocating for one thing while claiming to be completely opposed to it. You cannot claim to be completely pro-life before pro-life groups and then have been paid by abortion advocacy groups to speak on their behalf to the White House for legislation. He used his access to the White House to advocate a abortion advocacy group's position.

Would you work to benefit MoveOn.org or Michael Moore for the sake of a paycheck?
 
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allvol123 said:
Her options are plenty open until it comes to killing another human being.
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When society adopts your Dark Ages belief that a fetus is a human being, you'll have a point. Until then, the score is Reason and Personal Freedom-1 Puritanism and Pseudoscience-0.
 
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hatvol96 said:
When society adopts your Dark Ages belief that a fetus is a human being, you'll have a point. Until then, the score is Reason and Personal Freedom-1 Puritanism and Pseudoscience-0.
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I think your views more resemeble living in a time from long ago. "Ohh oohh baby just drop out of belly, where it come from?" Actually the score is in my favor, or is it legal to have an abortion at 8 months?
 
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allvol123 said:
I think your views more resemeble living in a time from long ago. "Ohh oohh baby just drop out of belly, where it come from?" Actually the score is in my favor, or is it legal to have an abortion at 8 months?
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For the majority of a pregnancy, a woman can pretty much do what she damn well pleases. Score another one for personal freedom against religious and morality based silliness.
 
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#144
Somehow popping out of the birth canal mysteriously makes one a human being? Or having a knife cut open the uterus and extracted that way? Are you defining humanity as the moment the fetus leaves the incubator's body? Yes I said incubator. As long as were desensitizing things here to more clinical terms...
 
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allvol123 said:
I think your views more resemeble living in a time from long ago. "Ohh oohh baby just drop out of belly, where it come from?"
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Yet ,all of you morality based crusaders can't get the standard changed to fit your beliefs. So, either your argument is nowhere near as persuasive as you think or you're lousy salespeople.
 
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hatvol96 said:
For the majority of a pregnancy, a woman can pretty much do what she damn well pleases. Score another one for personal freedom against religious and morality based silliness.
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Religion and morality based silliness? Odd that the right to live has become morality based silliness. Odd that a pregnant woman who is shot and her baby dies can claim murder. Scott Peterson comes to mind. He killed his wife and a few pounds of tissue.
 
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hatvol96 said:
For the majority of a pregnancy, a woman can pretty much do what she damn well pleases. Score another one for personal freedom against religious and morality based silliness.
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I didn't know we were debating "what she damn well pleases". But if changing some things around will help you, then so be it. Actually she cannot go have an abortion in her third trimester, so she can't do what "she damn well pleases". Again, I am sure illegalizing murder is not considered religious wackery to most, but you hang out in la la land all you want.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Religion and morality based silliness? Odd that the right to live has become morality based silliness. Odd that a pregnant woman who is shot and her baby dies can claim murder. Scott Peterson comes to mind. He killed his wife and a few pounds of tissue.
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Scott Peterson was not a medical doctor performing a legal procedure at the mother's request. Try another poor analogy.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I don't see anything mysterious about it. A cake is just eggs and batter until it comes out of the oven.
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Actually most people I know would say there is a cake in the oven, not - "there is some eggs and batter in the oven honey".
 
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