Thompson Lobbied For Abortion Group After All

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CSpindizzy said:
Religion and morality based silliness? Odd that the right to live has become morality based silliness. Odd that a pregnant woman who is shot and her baby dies can claim murder. Scott Peterson comes to mind. He killed his wife and a few pounds of tissue.
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yea, it is amazing that being anti-murder somehow gets you labeled as a religious freak.
 
#152
#152
hatvol96 said:
I don't see anything mysterious about it. A cake is just eggs and batter until it comes out of the oven.
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Again, removal from the oven is the magic process that turns this into a cake? Amazing. I guess if it burns it's just burnt batter?
 
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allvol123 said:
I didn't know we were debating "what she damn well pleases". But if changing some things around will help you, then so be it. Actually she cannot go have an abortion in her third trimester, so she can't do what "she damn well pleases". Again, I am sure illegalizing murder is not considered religious wackery to most, but you hang out in la la land all you want.
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Actually, if her health is endangered, she can. If the religion/morality troglodytes had their way, a mother would have to risk her life in those situations because it's "God's Will" that she got pregnant or "We can't be killing innocent fetuses just so save an actual thriving human being."
 
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allvol123 said:
yea, it is amazing that being anti-murder somehow gets you labeled as a religious freak.
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The day abortion is defined as murder, you'll have a point. Until then, you're just like the homeless guy on the street calling his sheet of aluminum foil a spaceship.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Actually, if her health is endangered, she can. If the religion/morality troglodytes had their way, a mother would have to risk her life in those situations because it's "God's Will" that she got pregnant or "We can't be killing innocent fetuses just so save an actual thriving human being."
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I know the "health endangered" clause, but outside of that, no she can't. So your inaccurate score has been corrected.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Scott Peterson was not a medical doctor performing a legal procedure at the mother's request. Try another poor analogy.
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Prior to 1973 neither were abortionists...what's your point? What does the person doing the killing have to do with viablity of the fetus? By law this was a human being even without 'exiting the vagina' (can that be said on here?).
 
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hatvol96 said:
The day abortion is defined as murder, you'll have a point. Until then, you're just like the homeless guy on the street calling his sheet of aluminum foil a spaceship.
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Yea, beady little eyed men in suits that have plodded there way through law school are who I will depend on to form my idea of what constitutes killing someone. But so far, I guess they agree more with me anyway, since as I have said I don't see open reign on late term abortions....
 
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#162
Hmm...so let's go with your exiting the womb thought process. Did you have an issue with banning partial birth abortions? After all the heads were outside the incubator's body. Did the chest cavity need to also be outside? What if a toe is still inside? Please define the full legal term here.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Hmm...so let's go with your exiting the womb thought process. Did you have an issue with banning partial birth abortions? After all the heads were outside the incubator's body. Did the chest cavity need to also be outside? What if a toe is still inside? Please define the full legal term here.
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Well, it would probably need to be 51% would have to be outside and you would need an attorney there to verify.
 
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#166
Wanting to protect life is a religiously fanatical concept? Those nutty founding fathers....what were THEY thinking? Those religious zealots.
 
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#168
CSpindizzy said:
Did you have an issue with banning partial birth abortions?
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I don't really care much either way. If medical professionals think it makes sense, I'll take their word for it. Idiots with posters outside sporting events showing pictures of the results of partial birth abortions don't move my opinion one way or the other. I'm not a woman, so it wouldn't be my personal freedoms being trampled on.
 
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#169
So to fight for rights you have to only be in that group? Wow. Let's go back in time and change ending slavery and women's sufferage. JFK and LBJ weren't Black either but that didn't stop them from pushing for civil rights changes. Silly Lincoln. What was HE thinking?
 
#170
#170
I think the three of you are illustrating the problems inherent in bringing up this issue and using it as a political tool. The "right" to an abortion is law of the land and even with a fairly conservative majority in the SCOTUS, there doesn't seem to be a movement to have Roe v. Wade overturned.

To be honest, Thompson's support of McCain-Feingold should be far more worrisome than the 3 hours he spent over a two year period lobbying for NFPRHA.
 
#171
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CSpindizzy said:
So to fight for rights you have to only be in that group? Wow. Let's go back in time and change ending slavery and women's sufferage. JFK and LBJ weren't Black either but that didn't stop them from pushing for civil rights changes. Silly Lincoln. What was HE thinking?
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You're missing the point. I choose not to care about the issue because it matters very little to me. If John Edwards or Rudy G. or any other politician chooses to do so, that's their call. I didn't say you had to be in a group to feel passion for their cause. I'm simply saying abortion is an issue that has the same amount of importance to my life as an FDA study on the migration patterns of geese. Therefore, if they shoot fetuses in the head with nail guns, I'm not going to lose any sleep.
 
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#172
Considering the process to get cases moved through takes some time and the SCOTUS has only been deemed 'conservative' for a year, I'd say thinking that there is no movement is a bit premature.
 
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hatvol96 said:
I guarantee it would take your entire lousy family to carry my monthly bank statement. Considering I was accepted at Princeton and Stanford, I didn't lose out on anything. I simply knew I was good enough that I didn't have to spend big money on my diploma to impress people. I have my talent to do that for me.
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Where have I mentioned anything about money, I didn't. You simply brought up the all mighty "attorney" angle, and yes they are an impressive bunch as a whole. Just turn on Fox News one night and anyone can see the mental heights needed to accomplish that feat. Yes, you didn't need to spend big money to impress people with a degree, you just need to mention it on here for no reason.

But I will end the conversation here, you can launch personal attacks at me all you want and I don't mind, it is even a little enjoyable. However, your "lousy family" remark was classless and so I will end here.
 
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allvol123 said:
Yea, beady little eyed men in suits that have plodded there way through law school are who I will depend on to form my idea of what constitutes killing someone.
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As opposed to pointy headed twits who just can't stand that nobody chooses to codify their illogical definitions.
 
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