Thoughts on Hopson

#51
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tvols75 said:
Put yourself in Scotty's shoes and have that same attitude. Would your attitude change with the coach chewing your ass out when you know that there is no way you can be on the bench with the crap that is on it?
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I don't blame Hopson a bit. He's allowed to play like that, and playing lazy is just a weakness in his game. The issue is that there should be a culture around your program that if you don't play hard, you don't play. It doesn't matter who you are. Period. It wasn't there with Hopson early on, and at this point, as you have said, Hopson knows he's going to play whether or not he takes possessions off defensively or lazily cuts on offense. It's simply too late to change that mentality.
 
#52
#52
LawVol13 said:
I don't blame Hopson a bit. He's allowed to play like that, and playing lazy is just a weakness in his game. The issue is that there should be a culture around your program that if you don't play hard, you don't play. It doesn't matter who you are. Period. It wasn't there with Hopson early on, and at this point, as you have said, Hopson knows he's going to play whether or not he takes possessions off defensively or lazily cuts on offense. It's simply too late to change that mentality.
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So would you sacrifice a couple of wins to put McBee and Tatum in his spot?
 
#53
#53
tvols75 said:
We pretty much agree. However, Hopson has this attitude because he sees the **** on the bench moreso than the coaches not pushing him. We aren't in practices or in the locker rooms to know what goes on. If Hopson was at a school like Duke or UNC, I guarantee you he wouldn't act like he does because he knows that another McDonald's AA is on the bench waiting to come in for him. That is the only problem I have with the coaching staff when it comes to Scotty, is the fact that we have missed so much on recruiting that we can't motivate Scotty by having players that can come in and put his butt on the bench when he pouts.

There is no way as a coach you go in and sacrifice winning a couple of games because you are trying to prove your point by sitting Hopson. You do what gives you the best chance to win.

Put yourself in Scotty's shoes and have that same attitude. Would your attitude change with the coach chewing your ass out when you know that there is no way you can be on the bench with the crap that is on it?
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I would love to know the comment he made to Goins as they were leaving the floor last night.Did anyone eelse see him whisper in Goins ear as they were leaving?
 
#54
#54
tvols75 said:
So would you sacrifice a couple of wins to put McBee and Tatum in his spot?
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At this point, no, because I would know I'm not going to change Hopson's mentality by playing tough guy his 3rd year in the program. It had to be done as soon as he set foot on campus, and it wasn't.
 
#55
#55
Here's my thoughts........ He didn decide to play until the last five min.. the last I heard u play every min at 110 %
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#56
#56
He's lazy and has a terrible attitude on the court, but not as bad as Cameron Tatum
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#57
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tvols75 said:
I have never seen the effort be pathetic for Tatum, Goins, Golden, and McBee. At least when they suck it up they hustle while doing it.

And if you can't see the difference between why there is a thread on Scotty Hopson over those 4 players, then just go back to bed.
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Tatum hasn't had pathetic hustle? Please. He hasn't done anything in two months.

And I was making the point about the cuts. Nobody makes hard cuts on team.
 
#60
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zjcvols said:
Tatum hasn't had pathetic hustle? Please. He hasn't done anything in two months.

And I was making the point about the cuts. Nobody makes hard cuts on team.
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No, Tatum plays hard all the time. He just happens to be playing incredibly poor right now. It's not an effort problem at all with him.
 
#61
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tvols75 said:
And we all have given Tatum a free pass haven't we?
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On his hustle? I would say so. You go after Hopson after one game for a perceived "lack of hard work" yet I haven't seen a thread where Tatum has been called lazy.
 
#62
#62
LawVol13 said:
No, Tatum plays hard all the time. He just happens to be playing incredibly poor right now. It's not an effort problem at all with him.
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That's funny. No he hasn't. Or else he would be playing better. If he was playing 100%, he'd be taking the ball to the bucket on offense, and knowing his shot isn't falling, his defense would pick up...which it hasn't.
 
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#63
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zjcvols said:
That's funny. No he hasn't. Or else he would be playing better. If he was playing 100%, he'd be taking the ball on offense, and knowing his shot isn't falling, his defense would pick up...which it hasn't.
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That's complete garbage. Tatum busts his ass defensively. Watch the way he defended Rotnei Clarke; wonder why Hopson wasn't guarding him?

And to the bolded part: what does that even mean? He drives the ball all the time. He just typically misses a shot or makes a bad decision. Playing bad doesn't always equal poor effort. You're kidding yourself if you think that it does.
 
#64
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zjcvols said:
On his hustle? I would say so. You go after Hopson after one game for a perceived "lack of hard work" yet I haven't seen a thread where Tatum has been called lazy.
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That's because calling him lazy would be lying.
 
#65
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LawVol13 said:
That's complete garbage. Tatum busts his ass defensively. Watch the way he defended Rotnei Clarke; wonder why Hopson wasn't guarding him?

And to the bolded part: what does that even mean? He drives the ball all the time. He just typically misses a shot or makes a bad decision. Playing bad doesn't always equal poor effort. You're kidding yourself if you think that it does.
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So one game makes up for it? Scotty has played pretty good defense lately, except for last night. I never thought to myself "Dear Lord, Cam is after it defensively." You know why? Because he usually isn't. It's not like Cam is Bruce Bowen out there, while Scotty Hopson is Vince Carter.

Are you serious? I think Cam took the ball to the hole 2-3 times against UF, max. That's ridiculous. The only players who takes the ball to the hole is Scotty and Goins.
 
#67
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LawVol13 said:
The "everyone else sucked" argument just fails in my opinion. Minus Harris, Hopson takes about as many shots as everyone else combined. And, it's not just one game. They had a shot to have an incredibly easy draw straight into the championship game by beating the worst road team in the conference. So, once again, the stakes were high: Hopson: 2-10 from the floor. That's just him.
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he had a really good defender on him. he fouled him out, and then no one could get him the ball.
 
#68
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zjcvols said:
So one game makes up for it? Scotty has played pretty good defense lately, except for last night. I never thought to myself "Dear Lord, Cam is after it defensively." You know why? Because he usually isn't. It's not like Cam is Bruce Bowen out there, while Scotty Hopson is Vince Carter.

Are you serious? I think Cam took the ball to the hole 2-3 times against UF, max. That's ridiculous. The only players who takes the ball to the hole is Scotty and Goins.
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Again, 100% garbage. Tatum busts his ass defensively all the time. I'm not sure if you just don't have a clue or don't watch the game. Scotty Hopson is an average defender, at best. There's a reason he typically guards the worst perimeter player on the opposing team.

And, I'm not sure I've ever heard someone equate taking the ball to the rack to effort. The fact that he's not aggressive on offense is a confidence issue not an effort issue, and that's plainly obvious.
 
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#70
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Indianavol4eva said:
he had a really good defender on him. he fouled him out, and then no one could get him the ball.
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Funny how he was able to score on that same defender more effectively on a bum ankle in Lexington than he was when a #2 seed in the SEC tourney was on the line and he was 100% healthy.
 
#71
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LawVol13 said:
Again, 100% garbage. Tatum busts his ass defensively all the time. I'm not sure if you just don't have a clue or don't watch the game. Scotty Hopson is an average defender, at best. There's a reason he typically guards the worst perimeter player on the opposing team.

And, I'm not sure I've ever heard of someone equate taking the ball to the rack to effort. The fact that he's not aggressive on offense is a confidence issue not an effort issue, and that's plainly obvious.
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All the time? No, not true. I do watch. He doesn't. Does he usually get after it? Yes. But no, not all the time. Not to where I say "I wish Scotty got after it like Cam." And you know from last year I'm not a huge Scotty Hopson fan. Hopson usually doesn't play good defense. However, usually he's not dogging it.

If your shot's not falling, take the ball to the rack. Good things happen when you take the ball to the basket. Cam doesn't do that. He doesn't cut hard, he doesn't come around screens full force, nor does he try and get something going off the dribble. Most of the time, he goes 50% through his cuts, and stands around the three point line.
 
#72
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LawVol13 said:
Yes, shockingly, shooting percentage is not an effort issue. It's a confidence issue. Try grabbing a clue.
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Obviously his confidence shot. But if you think he plays harder than Hopson all the time, then I don't know what to tell you.
 
#73
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zjcvols said:
If your shot's not falling, take the ball to the rack. Good things happen when you take the ball to the basket. Cam doesn't do that. He doesn't cut hard, he doesn't come around screens full force, nor does he try and get something going off the dribble. Most of the time, he goes 50% through his cuts, and stands around the three point line.
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Unfortunately, basketball's not that simple. If you can't make a shot, no one is going to guard you on the perimeter; thus, when you starting forcing drives, you just charge, which is happening a lot to Tatum.

Tatum doesn't come around screens full force? When is a screen ever set for Tatum? I can't recall one instance this year where a screen was set for Tatum and he received the ball. Not one.
 
#74
#74
zjcvols said:
If your shot's not falling, take the ball to the rack. Good things happen when you take the ball to the basket. Cam doesn't do that. He doesn't cut hard, he doesn't come around screens full force, nor does he try and get something going off the dribble. Most of the time, he goes 50% through his cuts, and stands around the three point line.
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yep
 
#75
#75
zjcvols said:
Obviously his confidence shot. But if you think he plays harder than Hopson all the time, then I don't know what to tell you.
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He absolutely plays harder than Hopson consistently. He just doesn't play well, unfortunately. The better question would be, which player on the team doesn't play harder than Hopson consistently.
 
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