Thoughts on the hire of Kim Caldwell

Thoughts on the hire of Kim Caldwell

  • 1. Very Pleased

    Votes: 196 25.5%

  • 2. Pleased

    Votes: 247 32.1%

  • 3. Not Sure Yet

    Votes: 260 33.8%

  • 4. Displeased

    Votes: 38 4.9%

  • 5. Very Displeased

    Votes: 28 3.6%
  • Total voters
    769
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#527
#527
papatomany said:
I don't disagree that this could be a Pearl-like hire, but no, Bruce's first division one job was Milwaukee, where he made a sweet sixteen run in his fourth year, and is how he got the gig here.
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..... and Bruce was well-known, but was considered toxic by AD's because of the Deon Thomas/Jimmy Collins controversy from when he was an assistant at Iowa. This is really nothing like Bruce.
 
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#528
The way I look at any hire is they can have 20 years experience of one year it is going to be the one that gets the players that has the most success. You can have a great system or an average one players are going to make the difference all the time. Dawn at SC is getting them and she is winning big. She wasn't getting them at Temple.
 
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madtownvol said:
Rickea Jackson and Jewell Spear would like a word. News flash- transfers are recruited players; they are not dropped off by a stork.

Kellie also had to re-recruit Jordan Horston who was still a high school senior when Kellie took over.

Her time is done but give her credit where credit is due. The OP is pathologically unable to do so.
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Stork = NIL

I held out for months to give credit for #13, stated it would be epic. Guess we’ll never know.
 
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#533
DD4ME said:
I like she has a modern approach and is not married to the legacy of Pat.
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To me, the best thing about this hire is that Kim is not connected to the Pat era. Pat's legacy will always be with this program, but UT has wasted 12 years trying to resurrect a legend without success. IMO, neither Holly nor Kellie sported resumes commensurate with this job, but apparently influential people wanted them to have it. Of course, it would have been very, very hard to veto Pat's wishes regarding Holly and some folks would have gone ballistic, but hiring a more experienced HC would absolutely have been the correct decision. As for Kellie, well she had been a HC for 15 years so there is that, but her teams lost 10 or more games 14 times in those 15 years. She won a regular season conference championship exactly once (at WCU), and she was an utter failure at NCState. I find it hard to believe she would have been a serious contender were it not for her connection to Pat. Frankly I was surprised that she won as much as she did at TN. Kim, IMO, has a much more impressive resume going forward, but who knows how she'll do? Well, I hope, but I'm not making any predictions.
 
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mcdoug said:
To me, the best thing about this hire is that Kim is not connected to the Pat era. Pat's legacy will always be with this program, but UT has wasted 12 years trying to resurrect a legend without success. IMO, neither Holly nor Kellie sported resumes commensurate with this job, but apparently influential people wanted them to have it. Of course, it would have been very, very hard to veto Pat's wishes regarding Holly and some folks would have gone ballistic, but hiring a more experienced HC would absolutely have been the correct decision. As for Kellie, well she had been a HC for 15 years so there is that, but her teams lost 10 or more games 14 times in those 15 years. She won a regular season conference championship exactly once (at WCU), and she was an utter failure at NCState. I find it hard to believe she would have been a serious contender were it not for her connection to Pat. Frankly I was surprised that she won as much as she did at TN. Kim, IMO, has a much more impressive resume going forward, but who knows how she'll do? Well, I hope, but I'm not making any predictions.
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Yeah. It's like that video several pages back said. KC will have the desire to live up to the legacy of Pat, but not have to feel like she's letting down a mentor and a hero the way Holly and Kellie did, complete with memories of Pat's championships that they were a part of. It's a much healthier situation.
 
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From the outside it looks like a huge gamble for a program of UT's pedigree, but it was probably the right kind of hire. If no NC winning coaches were open to leaving their schools, the next best move is to go find a young coach who you think has a chance to be great, because as much as Ky's fans are thrilled with Kenny, he isn't winning any championships nor are any of the other 2nd tier type coaches in all likelihood. So White decided to go for it and thinks he has found the next up and comer. His track record says he is pretty good at this evalauting coaches thing.
 
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Not sure I follow the point of saying that none of the "2nd-tier type coaches" are likely to win a championship other than to point out the obvious: titles have historically been relegated to a small sample of schools and coaches offset only by a few rare exceptions. Auriemma, Summitt, Mulkey, Staley, Vanderveer, and McGraw have accounted for 29 of the 37 titles since 1987. It takes at least one exceptional player surrounded by a strong supporting cast and favorable circumstances to get into the title game, but it is done occasionally by the "2nd-tier coach"...recognizing that you can generally count the active "first tier" coaches at any given time on one hand.

At any rate, most of those desiring a change have said that they don't just want an improved record or a more entertaining style or even merely being competitive in the Top Ten. They want championships, and they want them soon.
 
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Well creek you know as well as the rest of us
We have to get back in the top 25 let alone the
Top 10. That's the problem with a lot of the posters on this forum,, they want a championship within a year if not they want to fire the new coach. It's going to take a while to rebuild this team into a championship caliber team.
 
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creekdipper said:
Not sure I follow the point of saying that none of the "2nd-tier type coaches" are likely to win a championship other than to point out the obvious: titles have historically been relegated to a small sample of schools and coaches offset only by a few rare exceptions. Auriemma, Summitt, Mulkey, Staley, Vanderveer, and McGraw have accounted for 29 of the 37 titles since 1987. It takes at least one exceptional player surrounded by a strong supporting cast and favorable circumstances to get into the title game, but it is done occasionally by the "2nd-tier coach"...recognizing that you can generally count the active "first tier" coaches at any given time on one hand.

At any rate, most of those desiring a change have said that they don't just want an improved record or a more entertaining style or even merely being competitive in the Top Ten. They want championships, and they want them soon.
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Interesting stat, one that seemed intuitively correct to me but I hadn't actually checked. Kim is the sort of hire I expected all along for reasons that have been mentioned ad infinitum. For the record, I think the coach we need should meet the first two criteria, but not necessarily the championship part. After all, we have an HOF men's coach who has never won a natty and probably won't, but the men have never been coached by a Pat either and that, IMO, is the difference. We have a significant number of fans with unrealistic expectations given the current state of women's college bb. I'm not so sure that Pat herself would be as dominant in today's environment as she was 30 years ago, and a consistent top ten/final four contender would be pretty darn good in my book.
 
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Majors said:
Stork = NIL

I held out for months to give credit for #13, stated it would be epic. Guess we’ll never know.
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Excellent. So you acknowledge that NIL is important and since Kellie was consistently outbid in the NIL market she wa at a structural disadvantage. Nice….
 
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madtownvol said:
Excellent. So you knowledge that NIL is important and since Kellie was consistenly outbid in the NIL market she wa at a structural disadvantage. Nice….
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No, just can’t say it was a problem and then secure RJ, Spears etc. Which was what the stork brought. But nice attempt at twisting. Again, you’re slipping as you used to be better at moving the goal post to fit the narrative.
 
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mcdoug said:
Interesting stat, one that seemed intuitively correct to me but I hadn't actually checked. Kim is the sort of hire I expected all along for reasons that have been mentioned ad infinitum. For the record, I think the coach we need should meet the first two criteria, but not necessarily the championship part. After all, we have an HOF men's coach who has never won a natty and probably won't, but the men have never been coached by a Pat either and that, IMO, is the difference. We have a significant number of fans with unrealistic expectations given the current state of women's college bb. I'm not so sure that Pat herself would be as dominant in today's environment as she was 30 years ago, and a consistent top ten/final four contender would be pretty darn good in my book.
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She(PS) would have if she would have been willing to change. Hence which is I think part of the problem with hiring from her tree. They were all trying to carry on her legacy instead of evolving from what their mentor taught them to today’s faster more physical game.

Even old Nicky Satan had to evolve to keep winning at Alabama. Not evolving is why you see leaders from all industry continue to be successful or go from being on top of the world to a failure in a short period of time.
 
#543
#543
Dadof2Vols said:
She(PS) would have if she would have been willing to change. Hence which is I think part of the problem with hiring from her tree. They were all trying to carry on her legacy instead of evolving from what their mentor taught them to today’s faster more physical game.

Even old Nicky Satan had to evolve to keep winning at Alabama. Not evolving is why you see leaders from all industry continue to be successful or go from being on top of the world to a failure in a short period of time.
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Fair point. Sad that we never got a chance to find out. IIRC, she was moving toward a more modern game just before her career was cut short.
 
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Majors said:
No, just can’t say it was a problem and then secure RJ, Spears etc. Which was what the stork brought. But nice attempt at twisting. Again, you’re slipping as you used to be better at moving the goal post to fit the narrative.
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Gotta give you credit, your projection game is right up there with your spin game. Sean Hannity salutes you.....
 
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madtownvol said:
Gotta give you credit, your projection game is right up there with your spin game. Sean Hannity salutes you.....
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How do you spin when I’m answering you tossing stuff in the air. Very Maddow of you in being dishonest in your attempt though. As I said, you’re slipping. I just didn’t expect you to stoop to dishonesty in your battle to demand the board respect Kellie.
 
#548
#548
Majors said:
How do you spin when I’m answering you tossing stuff in the air. Very Maddow of you in being dishonest in your attempt though. As I said, you’re slipping. I just didn’t expect you to stoop to dishonesty in your battle to demand the board respect Kellie.
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Geez, you can't even take a compliment. But I appreciate your concerns over my personal safety. But my balance is quite good and I am very secure in my Solomon hiking boots. So, no slipping worries whatsoever.
 
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