Tim Spencer

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davethevol said:
You are joking, right? What is with you people wanting this trouble-making, player paying coach who is about to get hammered by the NCAA?
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Because he can recruit and knows how to coach. Hammered by the NCAA? We may as well have had the death penalty the last two years...time to find a way to recruit and win.
 
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I don't know much about him but he has a lot of value to sell to recruits. 9 yrs in NFL coaching. Number 3 on Ohio st all time rush list behind George who he groomed and Archie griffin. Also had Maurice Clarret set the nation on fire as a freshman. Groomed Matt forte. Coached Michael bush this year as well. I'm sure I'm missing some names
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
I don't know much about him but he has a lot of value to sell to recruits. 9 yrs in NFL coaching. Number 3 on Ohio st all time rush list behind George who he groomed and Archie griffin. Also had Maurice Clarret set the nation on fire as a freshman. Groomed Matt forte. Coached Michael bush this year as well. I'm sure I'm missing some names
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Thomas Jones was a VERY good back for the Bears. The Bears have a piss poor pathetic O-line yet the backs still performed quite admirably the last year or two IMO.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Maybe I am off here but don't quite understand this guy being an option. Exactly why would he leave an NFL job where he has been for 10 years to take a step down to coaching the same position in college? 10 years in the NFL, he has to make ALOT more than we would offer him. What am I missing here?
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I saw that someone else posted that he is currently unemployed, but also important to remember that we were willing to pay $300k to retain Graham, so we have some money to work with. I have no clue what he was making at Chicago, but I can't imagine it was more than 250k. He will probably want some title besides just running backs coach, though.
 
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85SugarVol said:
it is not simply trying to fit some "minority" bill, and it is not a diversity play for diversity sake.

people can claim (and rightfully so) that this is the 21st century, and color shouldn't matter. because it is the 21st century, and color absolutely should Not matter.

however, that simply is not reality, even in the 21st century.

it is easy to say - i dont care. blue, green, black, white... i want the "best", "most qualified", "dedicated", etc etc... A honestly, thats the way it should be

but fact is, even in the 21st century, if you want to recruit young black men from the South to skill positions at your university, then you are going to need black men in coaching positions that can go in to the neighborhoods and living rooms where those young black men and their families reside.

its just a fact of life, still, even in the 21st century..
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wow so it sounds the like blacks are the racist ones. hmm
 
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VolsDeep said:
I saw that someone else posted that he is currently unemployed, but also important to remember that we were willing to pay $300k to retain Graham, so we have some money to work with. I have no clue what he was making at Chicago, but I can't imagine it was more than 250k. He will probably want some title besides just running backs coach, though.
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Is a position coaches pay really that bad in the NFL? A 1st year college position coach makes more than a 10 year NFL coaching vet? Not sure I could understand that being accurate.
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
wow so it sounds the like blacks are the racist ones. hmm
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you find issue with mothers and fathers of young black men having a desire for their sons to attend a school with at least a couple of successful black men on staff to serve as role models for their child?
 
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85SugarVol said:
you find issue with mothers and fathers of young black men having a desire for their sons to attend a school with at least a couple of successful black men on staff to serve as role models for their child?
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Why do they require a successful black man to look up to? Michael Jordan was my hero when I was growing up and I learned from his story about hard work. I'm white. I don't see color. I see character. Why do they see color?
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
wow so it sounds the like blacks are the racist ones. hmm
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No. Under no circumstance could such a scenario be possible. 100% are absolutely incapable of making any decision or having any sort of connection or comfort level based on lineage, appearance, and/or culture. Relax, the guy is way off base and must have created all that in some imaginary world.
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
Why do they require a successful black man to look up to? Michael Jordan was my hero when I was growing up and I learned from his story about hard work. I'm white. I don't see color. I see character. Why do they see color?
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you don't see color. how sweet, and utterly cliche
 
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85SugarVol said:
you don't see color. how sweet, and utterly cliche
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I obviously see color. I don't judge a man or connect with a man any less or more because of color. It doesn't factor into anything except what my eyes perceive as their physical appearance. And until everyone sees as I and many many others do, black, white, asian, etc, racism will live on. No such thing as "reverse racism" racism is racism.
 
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well of course. but that's not the world we live in. anyone who says color does not matter to some these kids families is living in denial.
 
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One thing that is good about Spencer is being a running back/coaching running backs is all he has ever done. First he was one in college and pros and then he coached them both college and pro. No one year as a WR coach, DB or LB coach, always been running backs and nothing but running backs.
 
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RowdyZ said:
One thing that is good about Spencer is being a running back/coaching running backs is all he has ever done. First he was one in college and pros and then he coached them both college and pro. No one year as a WR coach, DB or LB coach, always been running backs and nothing but running backs.
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Thanks for steering this thread back from the precipice.
 
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RichRollin said:
Kinda what I was thinking...NFL dudes make bank.
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so do SEC and other big-time college football coaches. There may be a difference, but I don't think it will be that great. $300,000 for a RB coach sounds pretty high. You seem to be implying that this would be the low-mark in the NFL, and I find that hard to believe.
 
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85SugarVol said:
you find issue with mothers and fathers of young black men having a desire for their sons to attend a school with at least a couple of successful black men on staff to serve as role models for their child?
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Of course OP does not. Just as Mothers and Fathers of young white men have a desire fortheir children to attend a school with at least a couple of successful White men on staff to serve as role models for their children. Like say ... Grambling.

The lesson here is ...... race doesn't play a role in any career situation anymore, unless we make it an issue.

What would happen if someone founded an ALL white school in let's say any state in the country ???

Many would react very negatively .... not right either way.

The world moved on.....catch up. It's a non-issue for most people.
 
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davethevol said:
You are joking, right? What is with you people wanting this trouble-making, player paying coach who is about to get hammered by the NCAA?
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They want somebody who will do it like the barners do it, even in a small way. You know the old saying, that it takes a crook to beat a crook.
 
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you do not under any circumstances hire trooper pooper taylor. and most people on this board say i am stupid and my posts are horrible.
 
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85SugarVol said:
it is not simply trying to fit some "minority" bill, and it is not a diversity play for diversity sake.

people can claim (and rightfully so) that this is the 21st century, and color shouldn't matter. because it is the 21st century, and color absolutely should Not matter.

however, that simply is not reality, even in the 21st century.

it is easy to say - i dont care. blue, green, black, white... i want the "best", "most qualified", "dedicated", etc etc... A honestly, thats the way it should be

but fact is, even in the 21st century, if you want to recruit young black men from the South to skill positions at your university, then you are going to need black men in coaching positions that can go in to the neighborhoods and living rooms where those young black men and their families reside.

its just a fact of life, still, even in the 21st century..
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I think you hit it right on the head. The south is still the south, I agree 100%.
 
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VolsDeep said:
so do SEC and other big-time college football coaches. There may be a difference, but I don't think it will be that great. $300,000 for a RB coach sounds pretty high. You seem to be implying that this would be the low-mark in the NFL, and I find that hard to believe.
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I should have said it different. The amount of more is more, even if not much, I'm sure it's more. The amount of work in the NFL is less. More money/less work. That's what I was thinking but did a horrible job of saying it. And in no way was I implying that he wouldn't be interested in college ball.
 
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Rock33 said:
Of course OP does not. Just as Mothers and Fathers of young white men have a desire fortheir children to attend a school with at least a couple of successful White men on staff to serve as role models for their children. Like say ... Grambling.

The lesson here is ...... race doesn't play a role in any career situation anymore, unless we make it an issue.

What would happen if someone founded an ALL white school in let's say any state in the country ???

Many would react very negatively .... not right either way.

The world moved on.....catch up. It's a non-issue for most people.
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you could not be more wrong. just because you believe it to be true does not make it so..
 
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