'22 TN ATH/RB Dallan Hayden (Ohio State commit)

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BigOrangeTrain said:
Prove your statements
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There's no way to prove it, and I don't know that I buy Heupel having any influence whatsoever over players like Henry T, Crouch, Gray, Lawrence, etc., moving on.

If anything, I think the far more plausible theory is that many of the upper-tier players that transferred away had connections to the impermissible benefits issues that led to Jeremy's firing, and the University advised that some of them should find new homes, whether that be subtly or directly.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I know but what so am saying is they COULD, at any moment, decide to act. Saying there is no chance the NCAA will do anything this year is a little crazy. Nobody knows.
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No. It’s the truth. There is no chance the NCAA acts on our case before this season is up. If they do act anytime soon (as in the next six months or so) it will be to affirm the penalties and restrictions that we will have already put in place.
 
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freedom fighter said:
The good players left because they felt Heupel would not allow their same $$$ . Look why Henry T went to bama and 3 players to OKLA. it is always the $$$$$
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They left because they had an out to leave and within the rules to leave. Hindsight 20/20 situation at the time... new coach from UCF, probation looming, 3-7 record etc. Too many unknowns for those kids at the time... bird in the hand or two in the bush. Again, 3-7 with them... our ROI is better without them.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
The NCAA could easily step in and say we aren’t going to a bowl game. There is still a HUGE dark cloud hanging over us. Tons of uncertainty still exists.
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Do you really think UT would have made an announcement about a bowl ban if they thought the NCAA was going to do something different. Aftterall, Plowman has taken pride in working side by side with the NCAA. I am pretty sure that they would have cleared that statement with the NCAA before putting their neck on the line.
 
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Majors said:
They left because they had an out to leave and within the rules to leave. Hindsight 20/20 situation at the time... new coach from UCF, probation looming, 3-7 record etc. Too many unknowns for those kids at the time... bird in the hand or two in the bush. Again, 3-7 with them... our ROI is better without them.
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I will not be totally surprised if some of those names left because they had involvement with infractions. Why would players involved with the infractions stay?
 
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onevol74 said:
I will not be totally surprised if some of those names left because they had involvement with infractions. Why would players involved with the infractions stay?
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Probably played into it as well. Strong statement by Tennessee to say, if those that left get to play in a bowl game with their new team so do we. Easy to leave and not make it awkward on campus or around your team when you're part of the reason for probation.
 
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onevol74 said:
Do you really think UT would have made an announcement about a bowl ban if they thought the NCAA was going to do something different. Aftterall, Plowman has taken pride in working side by side with the NCAA. I am pretty sure that they would have cleared that statement with the NCAA before putting their neck on the line.
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Doesn’t matter what TN thinks the NCAA will it won’t do. It’s highly unlikely anything happens this year. All I am saying is the NCAA can just decide to act whenever it wants. That’s still creating a cloud of uncertainty.
 
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Majors said:
Probably played into it as well. Strong statement by Tennessee to say, if those that left get to play in a bowl game with their new team so do we. Easy to leave and not make it awkward on campus or around your team when you're part of the reason for probation.
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Well, that sounds good and all but the institution does answer to a higher standard also. Yeah players broke rules but those are the institutions rules the institutions wrote & agreed to.
 
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wmcovol said:
Well, that sounds good and all but the institution does answer to a higher standard also. Yeah players broke rules but those are the institutions rules the institutions wrote & agreed to.
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Players/coaches break rules and no uniformity across the board on said rules wrote and agreed to. SMU ruling wouldn’t apply today and wads of cash floating around on Instagram wouldn’t give the death penalty to schools like it did to SMU. If the rules were broken and the institution chooses to punish based on the findings then all is good now. But NCAA picking and choosing 5 years after infractions is meaningless in today’s world.
 
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freedom fighter said:
The good players left because they felt Heupel would not allow their same $$$ . Look why Henry T went to bama and 3 players to OKLA. it is always the $$$$$
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They left because UT told them to leave because they took money. UT alluded to this in their statement that all players who took money are no longer in the program.
 
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Ncaa not going to do anything crazy. That much was made known when we announced our self imposed penalties and we did it in the basis of their own bylaws. We had a very smart law group working along with ncaa and SEC. they should have a solid idea of what was needed and how ncaa would respond to their decision.

Keep in mind we took some really drastic steps. This wasn’t a situation where we got caught and then worked with ncaa. We turned ourselves in because certain folks made it impossible not to because it was no longer ability to deny knowing anything for people that typically are shielded from these things. We not only fired a coach. We fired an entire coaching staff and recruiting department and AD. We also told kids involved they needed to transfer to continue their eligibility elsewhere. It was a pretty smart move imo to reference the NCAA own bylaws in our statement to not punish people that have no involvement. We have completely new everything in the building. I also like the comment that mentions don’t punish the innocent when the guilty are allowed to transfer elsewhere and compete in postseason
 
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Sometimes kids leave a school because of the 3 year relationship they built with the school they transfer to,instead of staying with the unknown staff they have to put their trust in.
 
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