'24 TN DB Boo Carter (Tennessee)

I love Heupel. I’ve loved him and since the opening drive of the Bowling Green game and knew we had something after the Pitt game. I think he has the potential to be one of the best college football coaches of this generation. Or he could be another Dan Mullen (an elite offensive mind that is as good as any coach in the country at doing more with less, but ultimately struggles to take a team all the way because of recruiting shortcomings and being unwilling to make the necessary staff adjustments to take the next step).
So you "love" him... then compare him to Dan Mullen who failed because he was in over his head at a high profile program and lacked leadership ability? The "love" just drips off that.

I make no predictions. I like Heupel's coaching ability and aggressive philosophy of play. I LOVE the leadership he's shown so far within the program and AD. Instead of being in over his head he shows lots of signs of having found his niche. He may yet fail but being a "Dan Mullen" won't be the cause.

Recruiting was always a question. It is a question. It will always be a question. That is true of every program. As successful as they've been, Bama/OSU/UGA are no more than a couple of poorly evaluated classes (coach evaluations not recruiting site) from falling off. Clemson has fallen off some even as they've continued to have classes the recruiting sites "loved". Their "drop" is a little relative record wise because they play in the ACC.

What I mean is that 12 of the 14 SEC schools were in 247's top 30 most talented rosters in 2022. The ACC had 5 of 14. If you are truly a top 5 most talented team... you should cut through that conference like a hot knife through butter. You shouldn't lose to USCe and shouldn't be beaten badly by UT.

But it is fairly apparent that the roster Dabo put together wasn't as strong as previous rosters... probably not an actual top 5 or maybe top 10 roster.
I just think there are some things the staff needs to improve on, and I think him sprinkling a little more salesmanship into recruiting is one of them.
Right. You do not have his level of integrity so you think he shouldn't have it either. I'm not canonizing the guy but EVERYONE who comes in contact with him says he's genuine and consistent. He is faithful to who he is as a man first and the rest comes after that. You have no idea what kind of "salesmanship" he's sprinkling in. None. Stop criticizing things you have NO evidence for. He may suck hard as a "salesman". But over time, the most successful salesmen and companies are the ones who do not lie to potential "customers".

Salesmen live and die by their reputation... and customers talk. He should do what he's doing and be consistent with his culture, leadership, and "sales pitch". He will win some battles. He will lost some battles. But his losses won't be because he misled recruits.

Do they need to be Deion Sanders or Butch Jones and sell kids BS? Absolutely not, but there’s a medium of honesty/developing a friendly down to earth relationship and putting a fairly aggressive sales pitch on players that this staff seemingly hasn’t been able to find.
Proof besides your bias and assumptions? They've won recruits. They've lost recruits. You do understand that every single coach and program does that, right? Heupel and UT won Nico against Saban. Saban is probably the most elite recruiter in a generation. But... since they might miss on a 5'10" DB... you think they aren't doing it right.

This is by far the best staff we’ve had in over 20 years as far as being able to put together meaningful wins, but there are a lot of areas that need to be improved upon, and if they’re not improved upon last year is likely the ceiling.
Yeah. You are the expert, right? And besides that you are clairvoyant. You "know" things about how they do things... because the spirits tell you? You have dreams? Or FAR MORE LIKELY... you are just so arrogant that you think your bias is fact without regard to the actual facts.

Pointing those areas out doesn’t mean someone disapproves of them as a whole though.
No. It doesn't. More than a few posters here are able to recognize ACTUAL weaknesses fairly. You aren't one of them.

Everyone thinks we should trust every evaluation they make, but they have made 3-4 really bad ones in their two years they’ve been here.
Ah... so you don't "disapprove of them on the whole"... but then directly contradict yourself with this comment. EVERY coach including Smart, Saban, and the lot makes mistakes and poor evaluations. But really... who do you think YOU are to judge that? That's your problem. That is why although you seem to think you are getting some sort of validation by making these know it all posts... you are actually being laughed at by most of the posters here for being ignorant and vain.

Ask yourself where this program would be right now if Joe Milton doesn’t go down against Pitt and then whether or not this staff is 100% correct in their evaluations. Because without Hendon taking over we likely go 5-7 at best in year one and lose more guys to the portal and don’t do much better this past season
This just reveals how very little you understand about leadership, coaching, or managing people. Milton won the job in practice. There was no returning starter. There was no one who had proven they could get the job done. They only had what they observed in practice. Fans saw virtually NONE of the meaningful practices where they worked through scrimmages and situations. That especially includes YOU. The media who were allowed to see more of the competition said openly that Milton was far and away the best performer. Any credible coach would have made the same decision. You give the job to the guy who EARNS it.

Milton didn't play as well as expected. Everyone noticed. Your conjecture about what would have happened had Milton not had a MINOR injury is about as worthless as all of your other conjecture. Milton was ready to go the next week and Hooker started. That's a better indicator of where Heupel's head was than your assumptions.
 
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So you "love" him... then compare him to Dan Mullen who failed because he was in over his head at a high profile program and lacked leadership ability? The "love" just drips off that.

I make no predictions. I like Heupel's coaching ability and aggressive philosophy of play. I LOVE the leadership he's shown so far within the program and AD. Instead of being in over his head he shows lots of signs of having found his niche. He may yet fail but being a "Dan Mullen" won't be the cause.

Recruiting was always a question. It is a question. It will always be a question. That is true of every program. As successful as they've been, Bama/OSU/UGA are no more than a couple of poorly evaluated classes (coach evaluations not recruiting site) from falling off. Clemson has fallen off some even as they've continued to have classes the recruiting sites "loved". Their "drop" is a little relative record wise because they play in the ACC.

What I mean is that 12 of the 14 SEC schools were in 247's top 30 most talented rosters in 2022. The ACC had 5 of 14. If you are truly a top 5 most talented team... you should cut through that conference like a hot knife through butter. You shouldn't lose to USCe and shouldn't be beaten badly by UT.

But it is fairly apparent that the roster Dabo put together wasn't as strong as previous rosters... probably not an actual top 5 or maybe top 10 roster.
Right. You do not have his level of integrity so you think he shouldn't have it either. I'm not canonizing the guy but EVERYONE who comes in contact with him says he's genuine and consistent. He is faithful to who he is as a man first and the rest comes after that. You have no idea what kind of "salesmanship" he's sprinkling in. None. Stop criticizing things you have NO evidence for. He may suck hard as a "salesman". But over time, the most successful salesmen and companies are the ones who do not lie to potential "customers".

Salesmen live and die by their reputation... and customers talk. He should do what he's doing and be consistent with his culture, leadership, and "sales pitch". He will win some battles. He will lost some battles. But his losses won't be because he misled recruits.

Proof besides your bias and assumptions? They've won recruits. They've lost recruits. You do understand that every single coach and program does that, right? Heupel and UT won Nico against Saban. Saban is probably the most elite recruiter in a generation. But... since they might miss on a 5'10" DB... you think they aren't doing it right.

Yeah. You are the expert, right? And besides that you are clairvoyant. You "know" things about how they do things... because the spirits tell you? You have dreams? Or FAR MORE LIKELY... you are just so arrogant that you think your bias is fact without regard to the actual facts.

No. It doesn't. More than a few posters here are able to recognize ACTUAL weaknesses fairly. You aren't one of them.

Ah... so you don't "disapprove of them on the whole"... but then directly contradict yourself with this comment. EVERY coach including Smart, Saban, and the lot makes mistakes and poor evaluations. But really... who do you think YOU are to judge that? That's your problem. That is why although you seem to think you are getting some sort of validation by making these know it all posts... you are actually being laughed at by most of the posters here for being ignorant and vain.

This just reveals how very little you understand about leadership, coaching, or managing people. Milton won the job in practice. There was no returning starter. There was no one who had proven they could get the job done. They only had what they observed in practice. Fans saw virtually NONE of the meaningful practices where they worked through scrimmages and situations. That especially includes YOU. The media who were allowed to see more of the competition said openly that Milton was far and away the best performer. Any credible coach would have made the same decision. You give the job to the guy who EARNS it.

Milton didn't play as well as expected. Everyone noticed. Your conjecture about what would have happened had Milton not had a MINOR injury is about as worthless as all of your other conjecture. Milton was ready to go the next week and Hooker started. That's a better indicator of where Heupel's head was than your assumptions.

Cap off to you SJT for fighting the good fight on the message boards.
 
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I know a lot of you guys are asking for an update. I know others
claimed Michigan had the lead going into the OV weekend. That was never the case. Tennessee did. However, Michigan did a fantastic job this weekend and evened it up. A lot of optimism but obviously not enough for predictions. Tennessee
got him back on Wednesday. Still no new predictions/changes. I can tell you there is a little more pessimism around Michigan today than Monday. Right now, I'm still leaning Tennessee but am trying to gather more from all sides.
 
No. You by your own words talked to a coach who used to coach at his school who you claim is "close" to him.

Here's the skinny. Most kids because of the recruiting sites and media tell very, very few people what they're thinking. The ones they trust with up to date information... aren't the types who then go and blab it to people like you. That is the truth regardless of who he picks or why.

Yes. You are making assumptions. You always do and then act like you have some kind of insider knowledge others don't have or else have expertise in watching a kid's "film" that you very obviously don't have.


You nor this other guy have ANY idea what Heupel is or is not saying to this kid... or any other kid. You would have to be in the room.

Now to show that you are "loose" with the facts... you've gone from a former coach to "one of his coaches". You've also declared that it would be some major failure of the staff if this kid chooses another school and that he is sure to be a "special" player.

UT appears to be recruiting him the right way in spite of your "expert" criticism. They're recruiting him in a way that doesn't set him up to be entitled or prima donna if he signs with UT and in a way that they can be consistent with in future recruitments. Get over yourself and actually learn something about how these things work and why things are done the way they're done.

Butch Jones would have made him promises. Derek Dooley would have used your approach. The fact that they didn't have the spine to consistently do the right thing is a big part of both failures.
Good post! Sjt18 dropping the hammer in this thread.
 
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I have talked to a coach of his. I’m not making assumptions. Michigan is the only school giving him the opportunity to play offense. Heupel likely doesn’t even have to promise him anything. A simple “we like you most as a DB, but we’ll give you the chance to prove yourself on offense in spring practice if that’s where you want to play” would work. That’s essentially the pitch Michigan is giving him and according to one of his coaches that’s the main reason it was a close recruitment going into his OV
Michigan is nowhere near the only school that like him on offense
 
Give me Carter at slot, Matthews and Jefferson on the outside, and (fill in the blank) WR recruit at either position and I call this a slam dunk WR class
 
Give me Carter at slot, Matthews and Jefferson on the outside, and (fill in the blank) WR recruit at either position and I call this a slam dunk WR class
Rather have him in the secondary.

He, Beasley, Matthews, Gibson and Slaughter would be mean. We need more help in the secondary then we do WR.

If we get Wingo and Matthews, those two along with Leacock will be deadly.
 

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