'22 TN DT Walter Nolen (Ole Miss)

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HoleInTheRoof said:
TLDR version - Supercuts still mad he can’t make money from UT off of a high schoolers.
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In this case, I tend to believe him in regards to Tennessee's paltry NIL offerings and lack of preparedness with respect to their contemporaries. I've heard that same story, or a version of it, from about 3 different angles, now.

I strongly believe it is a part of the reason why we fell off the map with several basketball recruits, this summer, who seemed very close to committing, or at worst, had Tennessee as the clear leader, only to hold off and eventually choose another school. Rick Barnes is too good of a recruiter to just completely strike out with that many prospects in the same class without some sort of extenuating circumstance. Now, maybe that extenuating circumstance wasn't NIL, but if not,, the timing of the drop-off in recruiting and NIL coming into rule is extremely coincidental.
 
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cncchris33 said:
In this case, I tend to believe him in regards to Tennessee's paltry NIL offerings and lack of preparedness with respect to their contemporaries. I've heard that same story, or a version of it, from about 3 different angles, now.

I strongly believe it is a part of the reason why we fell off the map with several basketball recruits, this summer, who seemed very close to committing, or at worst, had Tennessee as the clear leader, only to hold off and eventually choose another school. Rick Barnes is too good of a recruiter to just completely strike out with that many prospects in the same class without some sort of extenuating circumstance. Now, maybe that extenuating circumstance wasn't NIL, but if not,, the timing of the drop-off in recruiting and NIL coming into rule is extremely coincidental.
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I don’t have any knowledge about the situation but it seems that Garner saw how Nolen was approaching recruiting and he wasn’t interested in going as far as A&M, whether it be within the rules or not. Not sure we would have gotten him either way, but it’s clear Garner wasn’t fully invested. I get the feeling Barnes is approaching NIL in a conservative, wait-and-see approach and that’s why we missed out on a handful of recruits. Technically, schools aren’t permitted to use NIL offers as a means of recruiting but it’s 100% happening. Tennessee is going to make an NIL splash, but it’ll have to come for the right player at the right time.
 
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No one knows what's going on in the background regarding NIL. Connally for sure doesn't know. Talked all year about how KY was a superior program than the Vols. The Vols beat Dat ass and he has nothing to say? He never did come in and say "wow, good win". Never gives the Vols an ounce of credit.

Anyone that doubts his status as a troll has their head in the sand. Take whatever he says and treat it like you would a pile of dog crap on the ground.
 
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cncchris33 said:
In this case, I tend to believe him in regards to Tennessee's paltry NIL offerings and lack of preparedness with respect to their contemporaries. I've heard that same story, or a version of it, from about 3 different angles, now.

I strongly believe it is a part of the reason why we fell off the map with several basketball recruits, this summer, who seemed very close to committing, or at worst, had Tennessee as the clear leader, only to hold off and eventually choose another school. Rick Barnes is too good of a recruiter to just completely strike out with that many prospects in the same class without some sort of extenuating circumstance. Now, maybe that extenuating circumstance wasn't NIL, but if not,, the timing of the drop-off in recruiting and NIL coming into rule is extremely coincidental.
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The extenuating circumstance is that we took 7 guys last cycle and 6 of them are likely to return next year.
 
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Until the letter is signed this one is not over. Many here have not had a kid go through the recruiting process or have a kid be a top player in any sport. The weekend he committed was a big weekend for Texas AM, could he got caught up in the moment and pulled the trigger with others, sure. Could he received word on a NIL deal with a financial number, sure. Could he be a 17 year old being a 17 year old, sure. Tennessee is still talking to him, and Nolen and his family are still listening. If the staff was not all in on him, he would not of been at the game on Sat.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
No one knows what's going on in the background regarding NIL. Connally for sure doesn't know. Talked all year about how KY was a superior program than the Vols. The Vols beat Dat ass and he has nothing to say? He never did come in and say "wow, good win". Never gives the Vols an ounce of credit.

Anyone that doubts his status as a troll has their head in the sand. Take whatever he says and treat it like you would a pile of dog crap on the ground.
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It’s funny how people are talking about how bad our NIL deals are when they don’t even know anything about them.

De1 has always been a troll. I find it hilarious that anyone believes anything he says.
 
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It’s funny how people are talking about how bad our NIL deals are when they don’t even know anything about them.

De1 has always been a troll. I find it hilarious that anyone believes anything he says.
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If there were businesses at other places giving out 6 figure deals like candy, you’d know exactly who was doing it.
 
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Just my .02 (no sources), but I think lack of NIL deals is due to the lack of star power on the team. I would think some companies are taking a wait and see approach to see if UT can get out of the rut. Why spend money on NIL deals with kids who won’t sniff the NFL?
 
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de1conley said:
Recruiting for kids of his tier has always been. It's why UT lost out on Cam Akers and Cam Newton. Nothing new UT has become cheap and passive. Admin has to be sold in on the sales pitch and willing to chip in. NILs are a joke at UT. Cookies and off-brand apparel on a level that kids get at HBCUs. We should be embarrassed as hell as fans that the BIG wigs don't truly care enough to make things like this happen especially when you have a HC who is not nor the majority of his staff known to be recruiting gurus. On top of this fans don't believe in patience so the infamous VOL twitter will be on his ass by year 3
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You say we should be embarrassed but none of the kids we have outside of a few are even worth Big NIL deals lol. Some of your takes are stupid. As far as kids we are recruiting companies aren’t going to give them NILs just because they are going to whatever school unless they are Big Name recruits and even then, it has already been shown this year that it isn’t worth it with kids who got those big NIL deals and are going to transfer from those colleges.

😂 you blame a lot on UT Staff and Admin it’s about time you GTFOH with the same ol narrative. Until players show they deserve NIL money they aren’t going to get it and that’s how it should be.

Also, saying this staff aren’t recruiting gurus is such a joke it’s their first year after having to battle all the BS Pruitt left behind. Again your takes are stupid.
 
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YNWAvols said:
Just my .02 (no sources), but I think lack of NIL deals is due to the lack of star power on the team. I would think some companies are taking a wait and see approach to see if UT can get out of the rut. Why spend money on NIL deals with kids who won’t sniff the NFL?
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What lack of NIL deals?
 
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de1conley said:
Recruiting for kids of his tier has always been. It's why UT lost out on Cam Akers and Cam Newton. Nothing new UT has become cheap and passive. Admin has to be sold in on the sales pitch and willing to chip in. NILs are a joke at UT. Cookies and off-brand apparel on a level that kids get at HBCUs. We should be embarrassed as hell as fans that the BIG wigs don't truly care enough to make things like this happen especially when you have a HC who is not nor the majority of his staff known to be recruiting gurus. On top of this fans don't believe in patience so the infamous VOL twitter will be on his ass by year 3
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We had a staff of recruiting gurus who were cheating like crazy. That same staff got blown off the field by Georgia freaking state and UK. I mean Pruitt and his gang of bums couldn’t even win while cheating.

What little we have seen in Heupel has fans excited in the progression of the program. We actually have an offense now. Something we haven’t had in awhile. But you keep on hanging on Stoops sack though. I mean that dude has beaten us what, twice in our worst decade in modern history? Think about it. Freaking Stoops lost to cornbread twice.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Answer the question
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You're an argumentative individual aren't you?
I hope you have a very nice day.........


No. I don't know all the NIL details. Satisfied?
Now. I only know what I hear or see about it, Can you name a sweet NIL deal for any UT athlete? I'd love to hear it.

@Bassmaster_Vol said VQ said that things are looking up based on VQ. I said, Good. I hope so."
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
None of us know about all of our NIL deals.
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Hence why I stated my .02 and not having any sources. It’s all speculation at this point. But to say “we don’t know about what is going on in the background” doesn’t actually validate that NIL deals are in fact happening.
 
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YNWAvols said:
Hence why I stated my .02 and not having any sources. It’s all speculation at this point. But to say “we don’t know about what is going on in the background” doesn’t actually validate that NIL deals are in fact happening.
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Agree. But seeings how the NIL deals are happening everywhere, it’s hard for me to believe they aren’t going on here.
 
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de1conley said:
Recruiting for kids of his tier has always been. It's why UT lost out on Cam Akers and Cam Newton. Nothing new UT has become cheap and passive. Admin has to be sold in on the sales pitch and willing to chip in. NILs are a joke at UT. Cookies and off-brand apparel on a level that kids get at HBCUs. We should be embarrassed as hell as fans that the BIG wigs don't truly care enough to make things like this happen especially when you have a HC who is not nor the majority of his staff known to be recruiting gurus. On top of this fans don't believe in patience so the infamous VOL twitter will be on his ass by year 3
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You're talking now vs. then. Newton price tag was roughly 200K+ at the time. Cam Newton now would be 1M+. Look around the NCAA at those who are pulling in deals, for every Bryce Young you have a DJ Uiagalelei. Majority of the kids 99% are cookie or apparel deals at best. NIL was a good idea to make kids believe they were going to get paid for their likeness/endorsements but end result was reality. If you want payments, win first negotiate later.
 
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Majors said:
You're talking now vs. then. Newton price tag was roughly 200K+ at the time. Cam Newton now would be 1M+. Look around the NCAA at those who are pulling in deals, for every Bryce Young you have a DJ Uiagalelei. Majority of the kids 99% are cookie or apparel deals at best. NIL was a good idea to make kids believe they were going to get paid for their likeness/endorsements but end result was reality. If you want payments, win first negotiate later.
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This. I don’t even think Dr. Pepper has been playing the DJ Uiagalelei commercial anymore. I haven’t seen it in a while. Not to mention Ewers from OSU who hasn’t even seen the field.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Agree. But seeings how the NIL deals are happening everywhere, it’s hard for me to believe they aren’t going on here.
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Those deals require a certain level of promotion from the player and from the company paying for it. We would know about any active NIL deals. What we're not aware of are the deals that are being worked on and are not completed yet...for whatever reason. As someone else said, there could be a current legal issue with certain types of NIL deals in Tennessee that may end up being allowed starting in January. There also could be some deals getting worked out with recruits, but if they're from companies that want to make sure the recruit ends up playing at Tennessee then those deals probably don't get signed until the recruit signs or hits campus. With NIL being so new, there's still a lot of stuff to work out. I'm looking forward to seeing where things stand in January/February and if the rumors of bigger NIL deals comes to fruition.
 
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