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Unimane said:
Yeah, except the Fulmerites were still going strong when we were having losing seasons and getting the snot beat out of us by all of our rivals for years. Remind me how this is the same thing?

I also love how everyone who doesn't take the idea that Pearl is some kind of horrible coach for going 23-11 last year is a coward. Yes, you are so brave with your refreshing snide remarks and witty comebacks that express your disdain for someone who has accomplished more than you could dream in the game you love.

So, yeah, I'm sure your ego will keep you here. At least until you give yourself an anuerisym by doing mental gymnastics explaining how we have all been deceived and Pearl is actually a horrible coach.
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I didn't say not thinking Pearl is terrible coach makes you a coward. I said anyone who fears posting their opinions because they might catch heat is a coward. Not a hard distinction for most to follow, but I understand your limited capabilities make things more difficult than they should be.
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Hat is a significant contributor to this board even if he isn't realistic about the UT program. He has great insight into recruiting and offers much to those of us who like to try to keep up with those efforts. He's entitled to dislike Pearl---this is America. He does know basketball, but seems intent on bashing Pearl instead of offering helpful insight into our basketball efforts. Keep up the good work Hat! Perhaps if we exceed the sweet 16 this season, you'll give Pearl just a little credit. This recruiting class could still turn out to be exceptional---no great point guard, but hopefully some other players that can contribute to the program
 
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hatvol96 said:
I didn't say not thinking Pearl is terrible coach makes you a coward. I said anyone who fears posting their opinions because they might catch heat is a coward. Not a hard distinction for most to follow, but I understand your limited capabilities make things more difficult than they should be.
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Yeah, I'm sure that's how you read it, you internet gangster you. Or, possibly, it could be just that they prefer not to bother going to a place that is supposed to be a fan site, but just constantly rags on their team. You know, being Tennessee fans and all.

I'm sure your vast intellectual capabilities immediately grasped that concept, though.
 
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Unimane said:
Yeah, I'm sure that's how you read it, you internet gangster you. Or, possibly, it could be just that they prefer not to bother going to a place that is supposed to be a fan site, but just constantly rags on their team. You know, being Tennessee fans and all.

I'm sure your vast intellectual capabilities immediately grasped that concept, though.
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The membership numbers here really show how badly we're hurting for people to show up. Please tell all your friends I'll be nice. It would help our terribly flagging numbers around here. I don't know how this place has survived without them.
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BasketvolsFan said:
Hat is a significant contributor to this board even if he isn't realistic about the UT program. He has great insight into recruiting and offers much to those of us who like to try to keep up with those efforts. He's entitled to dislike Pearl---this is America. He does know basketball, but seems intent on bashing Pearl instead of offering helpful insight into our basketball efforts. Keep up the good work Hat! Perhaps if we exceed the sweet 16 this season, you'll give Pearl just a little credit. This recruiting class could still turn out to be exceptional---no great point guard, but hopefully some other players that can contribute to the program
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Don't bet on it. He'll never give Pearl credit for anything.

I actually agree on the info part for hat. He's got the insider juice more than any of us, if he would just stick to that instead of the constant smarminess.

He's entitled to dislike anyone he wants.....and I'm allowed to call him out on his BS. It's just I see him, on a constant basis, use his knowledge to belittle those with less basketball acumen who simply want to support the Vols on a Vols message board.

He just needs a dose of his own medicine thrown back at him from someone who actually is a basketball guy, too.
 
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Unimane said:
Don't bet on it. He'll never give Pearl credit for anything.

I actually agree on the info part for hat. He's got the insider juice more than any of us, if he would just stick to that instead of the constant smarminess.

He's entitled to dislike anyone he wants.....and I'm allowed to call him out on his BS. It's just I see him, on a constant basis, use his knowledge to belittle those with less basketball acumen who simply want to support the Vols on a Vols message board.

He just needs a dose of his own medicine thrown back at him from someone who actually is a basketball guy, too.
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Who would that be?
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
This recruiting class could still turn out to be exceptional---no great point guard, but hopefully some other players that can contribute to the program
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This is exactly what Pearl's problem has been his entire career at UT. The point guard is like the basketball version of a QB, and Pearl continues to land nothing more than Crompton-esque talent at PG. I've been a Pearl supporter put his poor PG recruiting has always been a problem for me.
 
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SGMVols said:
This is exactly what Pearl's problem has been his entire career at UT. The point guard is like the basketball version of a QB, and Pearl continues to land nothing more than Crompton-esque talent at PG. I've been a Pearl supporter put his poor PG recruiting has always been a problem for me.
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Barring another decommitment, Golden will be, by far, the best point guard Pearl has signed. Ramar was a better prospect, but he wasn't a true lead guard.
 
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Unimane said:
Don't bet on it. He'll never give Pearl credit for anything.

I actually agree on the info part for hat. He's got the insider juice more than any of us, if he would just stick to that instead of the constant smarminess.

He's entitled to dislike anyone he wants.....and I'm allowed to call him out on his BS. It's just I see him, on a constant basis, use his knowledge to belittle those with less basketball acumen who simply want to support the Vols on a Vols message board.

He just needs a dose of his own medicine thrown back at him from someone who actually is a basketball guy, too.
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Who would that be?
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There are a few around. I'm not scared of Hat, and I am confident enough to match wits with anyone. There are several knowledgeable posters here who can do so. The issue is how others read/interpret a message board.

Some people, for some reason, do not have the ability to take debate/arguements for face value. Its not personal. Its opinions (sometimes stated in a matter of fact way). Some people lose track of this and take it as an assault on their personal character, which waters down the true arguement with mud slinging.

As for myself, it just so happens that I tend to agree with most of what Hat has to say concerning basketball here. As for the references to personal stupidity and overall incompetence concerning posters who disagree with him, well.... those just make me laugh.

Yes, Hat will hurt your feelings if your mind is still operating on a high school level. No, he does not care. Am I a Hat disciple? No. He once told me that I at least brought something intelligent to the board, followed by a sincere "Now go kill yourself". But without some of the info and insight he brings to the board, its 100% Less enjoyable. Its one of the reasons you find me on a Vol Board, instead of UK boards where nobody has anything bad to say about anyone and doing so is blasphemy, in which you recieve a suspension or ban. Perhaps with new accounts they should issue pacifiers.

Rant over.
 
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He attacked me in a thread and said "no one makes a million dollars in turkish basketball"

When I linked to players making more than a million a year in that league, he could not admit he is wrong.

I kind of feel bad for him. I have out of curiosity emailed some reporters on basketball recruiting and gotten some replies and I have gotten back in touch with two HS coaches I used to talk with years ago who now have two top 100 recruits between them, and it is remarkable how easy it is to be "connected" in college basketball.

Lot's easier I guess if you sit in a bar and cry about Bruce Pearl being a millionaire and you working for free to do "sportswriting" on a message board, but still surprisingly easy.

Bruce Pearl is a great coach. Anyone who cannot see that he has done a ton for this program in promoting TN basketball and bringing in better players and winning against teams with more talent on paper who have coaches who Hatvol thinks are much better is a complete and utter moron.

He needs to add an e to his name for accuracy.
 
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Unimane said:
I have no idea what that is supposed to mean, but, yes, I like Pearl as the Head Coach. Terrible stuff.
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It means you like stats to help you support your guy. If it was about stats, Pearl would now be in AZ. Since it's about coaching, he's at UT.

I like that he has won, but he's not winning when it counts with his style or philosophy. I don't know how many basketball people you know, but from those I know, the majority think less of our coach than I do, and it's not just about the recruiting incident.
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hatvol96 said:
Why are we paying a basketball coach elite money if we don't expect elite results? Jerry Green made the NCAA Tournament every year, which proves it doesn't take a particularly skilled coach to make the field at UT, being paid middle of the road SEC money. If just hanging around the field and leaving winning the games that actually matter to someone else is the standard, I'd just as soon find another Jerry Green, pay him accordingly and use the extra money to rehire Rodney Garner. As to the Brandon Knight comment, I could have just as easily used Kyrie Irving, Cory Joseph, or about 10 other point guards.
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Don't think money was the problem...
 
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BigPapaVol said:
It means you like stats to help you support your guy. If it was about stats, Pearl would now be in AZ. Since it's about coaching, he's at UT.

I like that he has won, but he's not winning when it counts with his style or philosophy. I don't know how many basketball people you know, but from those I know, the majority think less of our coach than I do, and it's not just about the recruiting incident.
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Yes, all of the coaches I know care more about style than winning, too.
 
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Unimane said:
Yes, all of the coaches I know care more about style than winning, too.
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Style is winning 20 games. Winning is getting it done when it matters. I don't know which coaches you know, but I don't hear many talking about 20 win seasons. They leave that for ESPN. Most are talking about building teams for big games. We're talking about building teams for regular season Ws over UT Martin.

Whether we've ever gotten it right at UT is irrelevant, that's what I want our coach working toward. The SEC tourney is all but meaningless and we can't find a way to win it with the conference down, the best team in the conference and a top seed on the line. Hence, we end up with a low 2 and stuck with Louisville and NC in a bracket. Those are games teams like ours have to win, except that we haven't. The 30 win season you so proudly flaunt garnered us no prayer to pass the sweet 16.

Odd how winning when it counts is absolutely everything, isn't it?
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BigPapaVol said:
Style is winning 20 games. Winning is getting it done when it matters. I don't know whic coaches you know, but I don't ear many talking about 20 win seasons. They leave that for ESPN. Most are talking about building teams for big games. We're talking about building teams for regular season Ws over UT Martin.

Whether we've ever gotten it right at UT is irrelevant, that's what I want our coach working toward. The SEC tourney is all but meaningless add we can't find a way to win it with the conference down, the beat team in the conference and a top seed on the line. Hence, we end up with a low 2 and stuck with Louisville and NC in a bracket. Those are games teams like ours have to win, except that we haven't. The 30 win season you so proudly flaunt garnered us no prayer to pass the sweet 16.

Odd how winning when it counts is absolutely everything, isn't it.
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Ask Gene Keady what a bunch of 20+ win regular seasons get you. Norm Stewart can probably lend some insight on that issue, as well.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Style is winning 20 games. Winning is getting it done when it matters. I don't know which coaches you know, but I don't hear many talking about 20 win seasons. They leave that for ESPN. Most are talking about building teams for big games. We're talking about building teams for regular season Ws over UT Martin.

Whether we've ever gotten it right at UT is irrelevant, that's what I want our coach working toward. The SEC tourney is all but meaningless and we can't find a way to win it with the conference down, the best team in the conference and a top seed on the line. Hence, we end up with a low 2 and stuck with Louisville and NC in a bracket. Those are games teams like ours have to win, except that we haven't. The 30 win season you so proudly flaunt garnered us no prayer to pass the sweet 16.

Odd how winning when it counts is absolutely everything, isn't it?
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So, if the SEC Tourney is irrelevant, why does it matter whether you win it or not? When Kentucky wasn't running through it, the thing is notorious for some second tier team winning. That should tell you its value.

I doubt that got us the 2 seed with UL and UNC. Who knows the criteria for the committe, it changes every year. I don't know why we were a 2 in 2006 and we deserved a 1 in 2008 based on schedule, record, RPI, etc., not to mention having to play a ***** of a Butler team (Which was a big game, too).

Of course, "big games" invariably end up being ones you lose and Pearl certainly hasn't lost them all.
 
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Unimane said:
So, if the SEC Tourney is irrelevant, why does it matter whether you win it or not? When Kentucky wasn't running through it, the thing is notorious for some second tier team winning. That should tell you its value.

I doubt that got us the 2 seed with UL and UNC. Who knows the criteria for the committe, it changes every year. I don't know why we were a 2 in 2006 and we deserved a 1 in 2008 based on schedule, record, RPI, etc., not to mention having to play a ***** of a Butler team (Which was a big game, too).

Of course, "big games" invariably end up being ones you lose and Pearl certainly hasn't lost them all.
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The SEC tourney rarely matters, but it mattered mightily to our 30 win squad. You might recall who they folded the tents for. Doesn't matter to the resume if you're historically solid and lose to a good basketball team. Neither of those applied for us. We needed to win to solidify our seeding. We didn't. That loss, that late to a sorry basketball team sent a message. The committee sent one back.

Big games aren't the ones you lose. They are the ones that matter. The Memphis win was big for our program, but didn't matter anywhere near what the SEC tourney did that year.
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BigPapaVol said:
The SEC tourney rarely matters, but it mattered mightily to our 30 win squad. You might recall who they folded the tents for. Doesn't matter to the resume if you're historically solid and lose to a good basketball team. Neither of those applied for us. We needed to win to solidify our seeding. We didn't. That loss, that late to a sorry basketball team sent a message. The committee sent one back.

Big games aren't the ones you lose. They are the ones that matter. The Memphis win was big for our program, but didn't matter anywhere near what the SEC tourney did that year.
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I guarantee you the Memphis game mattered more than the SEC tourney.

And, if it does matter, why did the 2006 team get a two seed with a worse record and no SEC tourney wins, while the 2008 team got the same with a better record and one SEC tourney win?
 
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Unimane said:
I guarantee you the Memphis game mattered more than the SEC tourney.

And, if it does matter, why did the 2006 team get a two seed with a worse record and no SEC tourney wins, while the 2008 team got the same with a better record and one SEC tourney win?
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The 06 team beat UF twice and didn't swoon late. If you'll recall, we looked like utter garbage after the Memphis win in 07. Committee say every year that the last 10 are big.

2 was overseeding, but winning at UF was big. 2 in 07 was underseeding based on our resume, but we closed out the season like dog. The drubbing at Vandy and tourney loss left a hideous impression, even for me.
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Hardwood_fanatic said:
Not to mention Tubby.
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Tubby won a national title and won 27 games a year. You really need to take the UK logo off your sig. I am sick of your post. See a trend? Tennessee fans love your post, Kentucky fans think your retarded. You figure it out.

And Jean Keady went to final fours, BTW.

Since you are scared of coach Cal and WWW, Ask your Tennessee buddies about the punk Brothers.

All programs have people behind the woodwork. It's not just us. Get a clue.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
Hat wants perfection in the basketball program---something few can achieve. At least we are now going to the tournament and I, for one, can live with 20+ wins each year. We'll finally exceed the sweet 16 and just occasionally sign a 5 star player who is better that average.
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Gotta have someone giving out realistic opinions in our fan base. Otherwise, we'd fade off into unrealistic delusions such as Kentucky basketball fans and South Carolina football fans do every year where we claim we'll get past the sweet 16 every year with no real proof or any indication given that there's a chance for that.. just.. hope
 
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