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#151
milohimself said:
One team is under NCAA sanctions and the other isn't... Not trying to say that Kiffin is a good in-game coach. But comparing what he's doing at USC to what Dooley is doing at Tennessee is pretty much apples to oranges.
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I'd argue that at the start of the season, Kiffin was in a better situation than Dooley was. First and foremost, Dooley was UT's third coach in 3 seasons, and for the most part, inherited a very thin roster. Secondly, Dooley actually had to recruit. He couldn't, and can't sit on his laurels and wait for kids to sign up. He had to go out there and bust his ass. He's competing against Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Auburn, etc; For players, and after all the Vols have been through, he has to convince prospects and their parents that Knoxville is the best fit for their futures.

Kiffin on the other hand inherited a team with a stacked roster. You mention the sanctions, yet the sanctions haven't yet affected their program. No, they can't go bowling this season, but they're sure as hell signing a full class. And no major contributors transferred. Secondly, he doesn't have to do much to get kids to come to USC. Last year, Carroll had already laid the blueprint for a stellar class, and they have no major recruiting rivals. It's USC...

There's no excuse for USC to be doing as poorly as they are. And the most insane part is, the Pac-10 is down. The road doesn't get much easier from here.
 
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#152
The_Orange_Pearl said:
If USC loses to UCLA and Tennessee wins their bowl, they'll have the same record.

Tennessee played a tougher schedule and has fewer scholarship players.

Lane has no excuse for potentially having the same record as Tennessee. That's just embarrassing and if you think he doesn't have a quality team now, wait two years from now. He'll be 20 players down and
have even less talent. Most talented kids
aren't going to voluntarily play on a depleted
team. Especially when they are playing with
50 guys instead of 70.
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This! Lane is in deep doo-doo. A loss to ND? They have stockpiled 4 & 5* recruits for years! Their back- ups can start at other teams (Jackson) and 8 years of top signing classes! And they lack talent? BS! For you Monte lovers... Seems like y'all forget about UCLA, ole mess and va tech! That Hawaii game this year really made him look good.... They have lost the kids, the sanctions have worn on everyone and USC is a joke! I love kiffins dream job!
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#153
#153
vol-un-tear said:
This! Lane is in deep doo-doo. A loss to ND? They have stockpiled 4 & 5* recruits for years! Their back- ups can start at other teams (Jackson) and 8 years of top signing classes! And they lack talent? BS! For you Monte lovers... Seems like y'all forget about UCLA, ole mess and va tech! That Hawaii game this year really made him look good.... They have lost the kids, the sanctions have worn on everyone and USC is a joke! I love kiffins dream job!
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Seems like you forgot about UCLA. We dominated them defensively.
 
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#154
kptvol said:
Seems like you forgot about UCLA. We dominated them defensively.
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They won with a crappy offense! We lost with a crappy offense! Both Kiffins making millions with no college resume! More power to the USC! They can have them! Monte~ Pro>College! And Hawaii- nuff said!
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#155
#155
vol-un-tear said:
They won with a crappy offense! We lost with a crappy offense! Both Kiffins making millions with no college resume! More power to the USC! They can have them! Monte~ Pro>College! And Hawaii- nuff said!
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Citing the UCLA game as a reason Monte Kiffin sucks as a defensive coordinator is outrageously idiotic. Nuff said.
 
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#157
kptvol said:
Citing the UCLA game as a reason Monte Kiffin sucks as a defensive coordinator is outrageously idiotic. Nuff said.
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Sorry I won't stoop to your level. His college resume is not good at all. Again, Hawaii! Nuff said! GBO!!!
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#161
vol-un-tear said:
Sorry I won't stoop to your level. His college resume is not good at all. Again, Hawaii! Nuff said! GBO!!!
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Excellent defenses at NC State. #17 defense last year with personnel gaps all over the place. But yeah, this year wasn't so good, so I guess he's probably the worst of all time.
 
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#162
kptvol said:
Excellent defenses at NC State. #17 defense last year with personnel gaps all over the place. But yeah, this year wasn't so good, so I guess he's probably the worst of all time.
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UT Ranked #70 in total defense

USC Ranked #86 in total defense

USC has far better talent and a much easier schedule. nuff said.

Also last year's D had 2 first round draft picks, this years D doesn't even have a 3rd rounder.
 
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#164
kptvol said:
Not judging by opposing offenses.
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We gave up 48 (something I'm not proud of) to Oregon and they gave up 53 with far better talent.

Oh and we have a guy that could barely get on the field at USC starting for us and is one of our best D players.
 
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#165
zehr27 said:
We gave up 48 (something I'm not proud of) to Oregon and they gave up 53 with far better talent.

Oh and we have a guy that could barely get on the field at USC starting for us and is one of our best D players.
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Oregon was still breaking in a new QB when they played us and they needed to score more points in order to beat the Trogans.
 
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#167
kptvol said:
Oregon was still breaking in a new QB when they played us and they needed to score more points in order to beat the Trogans.
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So do you take Monte over Wilcox? Is Monte the best D coordinator in college football? If not who is?
 
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#168
It's not, and I'm not saying Kiffin has done great by any means, but I doubt it's as simple as that. Last year, USC basically quit after they realized they weren't winning the Pac 10. I have little doubt that the players that signed there expected to play for a national title almost every year they were there. I'm not sure it's easy to keep them motivated when they realize they can't even go to a bowl game. I'm not sure we'll be able to accurately judge Kiffin for a few years.
 
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#169
tvolsfan said:
It's not, and I'm not saying Kiffin has done great by any means, but I doubt it's as simple as that. Last year, USC basically quit after they realized they weren't winning the Pac 10. I have little doubt that the players that signed there expected to play for a national title almost every year they were there. I'm not sure it's easy to keep them motivated when they realize they can't even go to a bowl game. I'm not sure we'll be able to accurately judge Kiffin for a few years.
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Your probably right, but a lot of people said things would stay the same in LA.
 
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#173
zehr27 said:
So do you take Monte over Wilcox? Is Monte the best D coordinator in college football? If not who is?
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I'm not sure you could find too many head coaches that wouldn't trade their current coordinator for Monte.
 
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#175
kptvol said:
I'm not sure you could find too many head coaches that wouldn't trade their current coordinator for Monte.
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The guy knows his stuff, no denying that. And he has known it for a while.

I want to see him in the college ranks after a few years, to decide really how good of a college DC he is. If they are there when the probation smoke clears he will have no problem having talent to coach.
 
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