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#102
#102
zehr27 said:
Why could he not do that with USC, a team with alot more talent? 91st in the country and playing in the PAC 10.
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I haven't watched enough of them to say. I know they replaced their entire secondary and both DTs.
 
#104
#104
kptvol said:
Still don't see how USC will continue to struggle for years on end. The offense has definitely improved and you know Monte will have a defense sooner or later. Not sure if Scroggins is a guy they can count on when Barkley leaves, though.
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You mean like they did for most of the 80s and 90s? Scholarship reductions on the way and a team that has already lost 9 games the last two years with a crap defense. I can see how it will continue.
 
#106
#106
zehr27 said:
Yes.
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To be fair then, the Colts did rely on the defense in the playoffs the year they won the Super Bowl. Aside from that, you're right about their defense sucking. It was the one time Peyton Manning didn't carry the team.
 
#107
#107
You could even throw in the 70's Steelers as a Tampa 2 team because that's essentially what they ran.

In college, the scheme as a base defense isn't widely ran. But it is in most defensive schemes in some form.
 
#108
#108
Ulysees E. McGill said:
You mean like they did for most of the 80s and 90s? Scholarship reductions on the way and a team that has already lost 9 games the last two years with a crap defense. I can see how it will continue.
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Scholarship reductions will hurt, but they can probably survive that next year. 2012 and 2013 could be tough. They'll return to prominence shortly after that, with or without Kiffin.
 
#109
#109
kptvol said:
I haven't watched enough of them to say. I know they replaced their entire secondary and both DTs.
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They returned more players than Florida State and FSU still had a good defense?? Also both teams had new coaches and coordinators.
 
#110
#110
The_Orange_Pearl said:
To be fair then, the Colts did rely on the defense in the playoffs the year they won the Super Bowl. Aside from that, you're right about their defense sucking. It was the one time Peyton Manning didn't carry the team.
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Their defense was pretty good in 2005, too.
 
#112
#112
KingNick865 said:
You could even throw in the 70's Steelers as a Tampa 2 team because that's essentially what they ran.

In college, the scheme as a base defense isn't widely ran. But it is in most defensive schemes in some form.
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70's and pro is irrelevant to college football today. Especially since Steelers were the first team to field an entire roster using steroids. I'd hope 20 steroid users vs. 10 steroid users would win. :p
 
#114
#114
Tampa 2 isn't dated. However, the D struggled this year and I think some people put to much stock in USC's "lack of talent."
 
#116
#116
Re: Tampa 2, it is still used, by winning and losing teams alike.

Hate Monte all you want, the guy is an innovator and has his place in football history. If you don't like it, tough. Deal with it.

USC is a far cry from being loaded this year; they have some good pieces, but they are nowhere near the same ballpark as CPC's early teams. They'll be back by the middle of this next decade if their new AD brings in a solid staff after Kiffin; but CLK's staff can flat recruit. They obviously won't be getting deep classes, but they'll leave enough pieces in place for whoever takes over afterwards to win almost immediately.
 
#118
#118
milohimself said:
Re: Tampa 2, it is still used, by winning and losing teams alike.

Hate Monte all you want, the guy is an innovator and has his place in football history. If you don't like it, tough. Deal with it.

USC is a far cry from being loaded this year; they have some good pieces, but they are nowhere near the same ballpark as CPC's early teams. They'll be back by the middle of this next decade if their new AD brings in a solid staff after Kiffin; but CLK's staff can flat recruit. They obviously won't be getting deep classes, but they'll leave enough pieces in place for whoever takes over afterwards to win almost immediately.
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No doubt about that, but I still think his time is over.
 
#119
#119
kptvol said:
Scholarship reductions will hurt, but they can probably survive that next year. 2012 and 2013 could be tough. They'll return to prominence shortly after that, with or without Kiffin.
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If they fall too far (say another 5 losses next year) and then 8-9 loss teams after that. The USC brand will be broken and it will take another PC type hire to fix them. I don't understand the USC infatuation because to me they were not much for the better part of two decades.
 
#122
#122
It is.

I still think SC would be best served to hang on to Lane until they are ready to transition out of this probation; he may not win, but he will leave the cupboard relatively stocked for whoever they want.

Haden will NOT hang on to him long term, I can nearly guarantee it.
 
#124
#124
milohimself said:
Re: Tampa 2, it is still used, by winning and losing teams alike.

Hate Monte all you want, the guy is an innovator and has his place in football history. If you don't like it, tough. Deal with it.

USC is a far cry from being loaded this year; they have some good pieces, but they are nowhere near the same ballpark as CPC's early teams. They'll be back by the middle of this next decade if their new AD brings in a solid staff after Kiffin; but CLK's staff can flat recruit. They obviously won't be getting deep classes, but they'll leave enough pieces in place for whoever takes over afterwards to win almost immediately.
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If USC loses to UCLA and Tennessee wins their bowl, they'll have the same record.

Tennessee played a tougher schedule and has fewer scholarship players.

Lane has no excuse for potentially having the same record as Tennessee. That's just embarrassing and if you think he doesn't have a quality team now, wait two years from now. He'll be 20 players down and have even less talent. Most talented kids aren't going to voluntarily play on a depleted team. Especially when they are playing with 50 guys instead of 70.
 
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