Tony Basillio confirmed - Kevin Ware won't be released

#301
#301
if he doesnt want to be here, let him goooo! wuts da prob? let coach use it on sum1 that wants to be here.
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Tennakey said:
if he doesnt want to be here, let him goooo! wuts da prob? let coach use it on sum1 that wants to be here.
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This is more university policy than anything else. Not good to set a precedent of releasing recruits from LOI upon request.
 
#303
#303
strongtower said:
Mike knows we need as much help as possible so he won't look like a fool. He knows if we lose a lot of players we will be mediocre at best and will be lookin for his head
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:birgits_giggle:

You must have no clue. This would be the last thing on Mike's mind.

If, in fact, Hamilton didn't grant his release yet, it is because it's the right thing to do AT THIS POINT. They aren't going to entertain granting any releases until Cuonzo has a chance to meet with these guys. At that point, if the players want their releases, I am certain UT will give it to them.
 
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OCIVol said:
This is more university policy than anything else. Not good to set a precedent of releasing recruits from LOI upon request.
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Exactly.

I've never seen a message board with so many uninformed and misinformed fans. Most schools are probably the same. I suppose everyone has an idiot faction in their fanbase
 
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#306
From the radio interviews, I gather that Martin doesn't want a player who doesn't want to be here. I am sure that Jones & Ware will be gone. Then Martin will bring in some of the players that he recruited to play at Missouri State University!!!!
 
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#308
strongtower said:
If this is true this is the first foul on CCM, his first job should be to keep this team and recruits together before we have nothing decent to put on a court. Why the he'll does he have to wait after the final 4?
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He is going to Houston to hob nob with other coaches to get his staff hired!!!! He will be able to meet with several of them at the Final 4! He said that yesterday on a radio interview.
 
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#309
We get it OICVol, you don't care about ruining kids lives. You don't need to repeat the same thing over and over again.

Jones and Ware's goal might be to make it pro and they might feel like playing for Zo would significantly lower their chances. They signed at the age of 17-18 to play for another coach. Forcing them to to stay is an absolutely disgusting move. This is the biggest decision they've ever had to make in their brief life and it could drastically impact the outcome. I hope you'd be okay with someone doing this to you or your child. Potentially ruining your chance to go pro and make millions of dollars. Pretty sure Kiffin and Dooley have both told committed kids to take a hike or cut off contact with them. Seems pretty fair that kids are forced to go some place they don't want to go after a coaching change but a new coach can come in and tell commits they don't want them. If the school is going to be shady, they should just go to prep school for a year. Forcing them to come is complete bulls***.

You can go back to posting the same thing over and over now.
 
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The_Orange_Pearl said:
We get it OICVol, you don't care about ruining kids lives. You don't need to repeat the same thing over and over again.

Jones and Ware's goal might be to make it pro and they might feel like playing for Zo would significantly lower their chances. They signed at the age of 17-18 to play for another coach. Forcing them to to stay is an absolutely disgusting move. This is the biggest decision they've ever had to make in their brief life and it could drastically impact the outcome. I hope you'd be okay with someone doing this to you or your child. Potentially ruining your chance to go pro and make millions of dollars. Pretty sure Kiffin and Dooley have both told committed kids to take a hike or cut off contact with them. Seems pretty fair that kids are forced to go some place they don't want to go after a coaching change but a new coach can come in and tell commits they don't want them. If the school is going to be shady, they should just go to prep school for a year. Forcing them to come is complete bulls***.

You can go back to posting the same thing over and over now.
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Exactly.

The main thing is that they signed to play under Bruce Pearl, and he's no loner here. It's a little different than releasing players "on request". You have to have turds for brains to not understand that.
 
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#311
The_Orange_Pearl said:
We get it OICVol, you don't care about ruining kids lives. You don't need to repeat the same thing over and over again.

Jones and Ware's goal might be to make it pro and they might feel like playing for Zo would significantly lower their chances. They signed at the age of 17-18 to play for another coach. Forcing them to to stay is an absolutely disgusting move. This is the biggest decision they've ever had to make in their brief life and it could drastically impact the outcome. I hope you'd be okay with someone doing this to you or your child. Potentially ruining your chance to go pro and make millions of dollars. Pretty sure Kiffin and Dooley have both told committed kids to take a hike or cut off contact with them. Seems pretty fair that kids are forced to go some place they don't want to go after a coaching change but a new coach can come in and tell commits they don't want them. If the school is going to be shady, they should just go to prep school for a year. Forcing them to come is complete bulls***.

You can go back to posting the same thing over and over now.
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I was only making the point that UT has a basis for its actions, and the NCAA's rules are definitely inequitable to the prospective student-athletes. I'm not sure I want to ruin these kids lives, at least not yet. In the end, none of this really matters because Martin will release the Jones and/or Ware if they do not want to play for UT.
 
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#312
God this thread went all over the place- from scumbag schools to to scumbag coaches to NFL tickets to NBA contracts. You read through it all and it does not change one damn thing. It is a NCAA rule. The kids sign an LOI with a SCHOOL, not a coach. They do this either because they like the school or coach and to stop being recruited. But it is binding on BOTH SIDES. A coaching change may bring in a coach the kid doesn't like, but it could also force the coach to have a player that doesn't fit his style. When coaching changes occur, there is only one thing to do. Let the coach and the kid and his family sit down face to face and discuss the situation. If by mutual consent they agree the LOI should be cancelled then so be it. If not, then someone is going to be unhappy for a year. Either way, the contract is binding on both for a year. I don't think one week will make a big difference either way. Isn't this a recruiting dead period anyway?
 
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shortgameVol said:
:birgits_giggle:

You must have no clue. This would be the last thing on Mike's mind.

If, in fact, Hamilton didn't grant his release yet, it is because it's the right thing to do AT THIS POINT. They aren't going to entertain granting any releases until Cuonzo has a chance to meet with these guys. At that point, if the players want their releases, I am certain UT will give it to them.
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:birgits_giggle: just let us lose some of our key players and have a crappy yr and see if hammy doesn't crap his pants. Martin is not going to get much of a sliding scale from fans.
 
#316
#316
About time Hamilton has some balls!
Do not release him or Jones (if he signed);

Tough it out kid! You signed the paper and now suck it up!
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hatvol96 said:
Why?
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Fairness? Although he may have committed to Pearl, not the institution, his LOI has the University of Tennessee on it, if I'm not mistaken. Not to mention, he should do it out of rationality. He may like CCM more than Pearl. He may talk to the current players and see they like CCM more than Pearl. There are way too many unknowns to jump to any conclusions at this point.
 
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LawVol13 said:
I agree with this. I'd probably tell him that I'd release him if he agrees to sit down with Martin first. That will at least give Martin a chance to keep the kid. If he still wants out, he should be released.
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I agree...:thumbsup:
 
#319
#319
I think the PR ship has already set sail with Kiffin and Pearl ... and if your Ware and Jones ... suck it up big boys ... if you get to the NBA or D-League ... you won't be able to pick your coach.
 
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hatvol96 said:
You mean they exercised free will and made a decision on whether or not to risk buying tickets? What a novel concept.
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Just like Mr. Ware exercised free will and made a decision on whether or not to sign a letter of intent? Another novel concept.
 
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LazhilUT said:
About time Hamilton has some balls!
Do not release him or Jones (if he signed);

Tough it out kid! You signed the paper and now suck it up!
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Classy. I'm glad you put your own selfish desires to see UT succeed in basketball ahead of the opportunity for a kid to maximize his potential and have a shot at making it to the NBA. I seriously can't wrap my head around how so many on here want to force these kids to come to UT even though it will likely be detrimental to their future. Like somebody else said earlier, how would you feel if it was your son involved and the university was trying to hold his future hostage in an effort to lighten the blow from having to fire the previous coach. I bet you'd see things just a little differently. Just let the kids go, it's not like they've even enrolled in school yet.
 
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MTSUDaff said:
Like it or not, it's a business. If the new coach had no problem with him being released, he'd be released by now people. Don't act like this is Mike Hamilton's call, alone.
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Exactly! The coach's input is definitely a part of this decision. In fact it may be paramount. Derek Dooley was certainly a big part of these decisions with Brice Brown and Douglas.

The way everyone seems so quick to jump and blame MH for everything without thinking it through these days...
 
#324
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esarmstrong said:
Exactly! The coach's input is definitely a part of this decision. In fact it may be paramount. Derek Dooley was certainly a big part of these decisions with Brice Brown and Douglas.

The way everyone seems so quick to jump and blame MH for everything without thinking it through these days...
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Whoever is making these calls, they're making the wrong ones. Just like DD came off looking like an arrogant, hypocritical douche in the Bryce Brown situation, Martin will look the same way if he chooses not to release these kids from their LOI.

Was Martin still under contract when he left Missouri St. for the UT job? If so, much like DD, he's in no position to get on his high horse and teach kids a lesson about commitment when he just broke one of his own a week ago.
 
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bleedorange0037 said:
Classy. I'm glad you put your own selfish desires to see UT succeed in basketball ahead of the opportunity for a kid to maximize his potential and have a shot at making it to the NBA. I seriously can't wrap my head around how so many on here want to force these kids to come to UT even though it will likely be detrimental to their future. Like somebody else said earlier, how would you feel if it was your son involved and the university was trying to hold his future hostage in an effort to lighten the blow from having to fire the previous coach. I bet you'd see things just a little differently. Just let the kids go, it's not like they've even enrolled in school yet.
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I would NOT let my kid sign because of a coach! Period. If he indeed do it, he would learn through suffering the consequences.
That's the problem with today's generation, no consequences.
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