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[Septic]

This is a exactly where it affects our lives. If you disagree then you will marked a hater. My refusal to accept and normalize transgenderism is NOT hate.

So what if your decision to not tolerate or accept trannys 'marks' you as a "hater"? You probably aren't spending much time with those folks anyhow. Other than the feelz of knowing someone doesn't like you because don't approve of the normalization of that lifestyle - will it really impact your life in any meaningful way?

Ultimately, I'm sure it will have the same net effect on living your life as would the progressive normalization of things like same sex marriage or interracial marriage.

Getting bent out of shape over what other people do with themselves or to themselves is silly.

 

[Septic]

Can anyone here share a personal experience where a transgender walked up to them and forced them to use a gender neutral pronoun? Or even agree with their lifestyle?

I can't, personally I'm still not comfortable with transgender, pan sexuals or what ever it is that is other than man or woman. I think though that it's small number of people out there that are the squeaky wheels, trying to 'claim' their space like other repressed minorities before them. Most reasonable people understand that folks aren't obligated to give a flying fq about their lifestyle or call them by whatever pronoun they settled on.

I don't know, the whole concept of not wanting to be a dude is strange to me but I've not walked a mile in a their shoes - so why not just live and let live and try not to be dicks about it?

 

[SamRebel35]

Individuals ought to be able to do what they please so long as they are not infringing the rights of others. If a person with a penis and an Adam's apple chooses to dress and act femanine and wants to be seen as a woman, that's his right. If a person sees this happening and wants to roll his eyes and go about his day, he ought to be free to do so. The man in a dress may request to be addressed with female pronouns, and the eye rolling man ought to be free to agree or disagree to the requested convention. Disagreeing with the convention is not an act of violence, nor is it suppression of any other right. Therefore, any violence in return is not justified.

 

[Purple Tiger]

I can't, personally I'm still not comfortable with transgender, pan sexuals or what ever it is that is other than man or woman. I think though that it's small number of people out there that are the squeaky wheels, trying to 'claim' their space like other repressed minorities before them. Most reasonable people understand that folks aren't obligated to give a flying fq about their lifestyle or call them by whatever pronoun they settled on.

I don't know, the whole concept of not wanting to be a dude is strange to me but I've not walked a mile in a their shoes - so why not just live and let live and try not to be dicks about it?

In HR, I've worked at companies that had trans women. The trans women wanted us to use she/her, which we all did. I've never worked with someone who wanted to use the non-gender specific pronouns and I do not know how that would be received. I would encourage people to use them if that is what the employee wanted.

For years I have advocated creating and using non-gender specific pronouns that would eliminate all the he/shes and him/hers in corporate writing. At the time, I never thought about applying a non-gender pronoun to non-binary gender people.

 

[82_VOL_83]

I'm saying we all have our own normal that we live by. It's part of what makes us who we are. No one is asking you to have this surgery. No one is asking you to socialize with anyone who has had the surgery. I'm not pulling out degrees and continuums, I'm saying respect that people are allowed to make their own choices as long as they hurt no one else. And someone changing their gender does not hurt anyone. We're talking about consenting adults doing something to their own bodies. Any harm they do is to themselves.

I could really giving a flying **** what society deems "normal". Remember when German society decided Jews weren't normal? Society creates sheep who follow. That's not me or for me. I believe in live and let live.

This is a BS assumption. When you interact with someone at work, it should be a professional interaction. However, many people who are gender bent can't keep social out of it. If you are male and everyone you work with knows you are male then expect to be treated as male. When a person brings gender into an issue in order to communicate with them, then they are forcing their peers at work to look at them through a societal lens and not a professional lens. Its wrong and its being shoved down gender normal peoples throats every damn day.

 

[82_VOL_83]

In the constant belittling of people who don't fit what some call "normal".

sday.so is it bullying or hate. Those are two different words. Also, is it refusal to go along with a mental issue that is out of the norm or is it hate? Two different things.

 

[82_VOL_83]

In HR, I've worked at companies that had trans women. The trans women wanted us to use she/her, which we all did. I've never worked with someone who wanted to use the non-gender specific pronouns and I do not know how that would be received. I would encourage people to use them if that is what the employee wanted.

For years I have advocated creating and using non-gender specific pronouns that would eliminate all the he/shes and him/hers in corporate writing. At the time, I never thought about applying a non-gender pronoun to non-binary gender people.

And this is exactly why most HR people are absolutely useless in a corporate environ.

 

[ajvol01]

So what are you saying? Are they still women?

Bump for an answe!

@Purple Tiger what say you?

 

[volfanhill]

Individuals ought to be able to do what they please so long as they are not infringing the rights of others. If a person with a penis and an Adam's apple chooses to dress and act femanine and wants to be seen as a woman, that's his right. If a person sees this happening and wants to roll his eyes and go about his day, he ought to be free to do so. The man in a dress may request to be addressed with female pronouns, and the eye rolling man ought to be free to agree or disagree to the requested convention. Disagreeing with the convention is not an act of violence, nor is it suppression of any other right. Therefore, any violence in return is not justified.

Whose advocating violence? And sure you have the right to roll your eyes and call them whatever you want. It just makes you a bleep hole.

 

[Roustabout]

So what if your decision to not tolerate or accept trannys 'marks' you as a "hater"? You probably aren't spending much time with those folks anyhow. Other than the feelz of knowing someone doesn't like you because don't approve of the normalization of that lifestyle - will it really impact your life in any meaningful way?

Ultimately, I'm sure it will have the same net effect on living your life as would the progressive normalization of things like same sex marriage or interracial marriage.

Getting bent out of shape over what other people do with themselves or to themselves is silly.

I wouldn’t say I’m bent out of shape. I am concerned with the implications both from personal rights and from a mental health standpoint.

Nice attempt to poison the well. Just because there aren’t valid reasons to object to interracial marriage doesn’t mean there aren’t valid reasons to object to these other concerns.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Yep. There was a woman named Bethany at my wife’s work. She starts dressing like a dude and decided her name was Ben and she was a dude, and fully expected everyone to stop calling her Bethany and refer to her as Ben and sir. A few wouldn’t do it, which caused conflict between Bethany and the idiots of the office who support delusions and the other ladies who refused to go along with it. Guess who got disciplined and had higher ups scared of lawsuits?

The stubborn megaturds who refused to just call someone by their preferred name?

 

[82_VOL_83]

I can't, personally I'm still not comfortable with transgender, pan sexuals or what ever it is that is other than man or woman. I think though that it's small number of people out there that are the squeaky wheels, trying to 'claim' their space like other repressed minorities before them. Most reasonable people understand that folks aren't obligated to give a flying fq about their lifestyle or call them by whatever pronoun they settled on.

I don't know, the whole concept of not wanting to be a dude is strange to me but I've not walked a mile in a their shoes - so why not just live and let live and try not to be dicks about it?

And at the same time knowing that what you do to your body is being done to make you happy. Your ability to seek happiness should stop at the point that you begin to require that others accept you as a normal part of THEIR lives by insisting that you be called by certain pronouns and titles. Just be a ****ing person and get enjoyment out of whatever life you choose instead of making others the crucible for your happiness. This isn't hate, it's just ****ing do your **** and I'll do mine and if I don't refer to you by whatever honorific you feel you are entitled to don't get upset. With me at least it isn't going to be vindictive, it's just a mistake. If I want to be vindictive, you will know it.

Not addressed at Septic because I agree with his post, just expanding my thoughts on it.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

Then you have a bias toward abnormality that you can't get around.

Funny, this same accusation can be lobbed with validity towards your camp.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Individuals ought to be able to do what they please so long as they are not infringing the rights of others. If a person with a penis and an Adam's apple chooses to dress and act femanine and wants to be seen as a woman, that's his right. If a person sees this happening and wants to roll his eyes and go about his day, he ought to be free to do so. The man in a dress may request to be addressed with female pronouns, and the eye rolling man ought to be free to agree or disagree to the requested convention. Disagreeing with the convention is not an act of violence, nor is it suppression of any other right. Therefore, any violence in return is not justified.

Nor is it hate.....in my case it would generally be revulsion.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

I wouldn’t say I’m bent out of shape. I am concerned with the implications both from personal rights and from a mental health standpoint.

Nice attempt to poison the well. Just because there aren’t valid reasons to object to interracial marriage doesn’t mean there aren’t valid reasons to object to these other concerns.

I'm sure it's all about their mental health for you. Lol.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

These "women who become men" have not had sex change surgery. They still have their vaginas and have periods.

A woman will always be a woman and a man will always be a man.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Funny, this same accusation can be lobbed with validity towards your camp.

I do have a bias toward abnormality. ESPECIALLY where I work. Be abnormal on your time. If you are interacting with me at work, you are on my time and you need to be able to get your social issues out of the ****ing way.

 

[82_VOL_83]

These "women who become men" have not had sex change surgery. They still have their vaginas and have periods.

There are millions of gender normal women who have vaginas that don't have periods anymore.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

I do have a bias toward abnormality. ESPECIALLY where I work. Be abnormal on your time. If you are interacting with me at work, you are on my time and you need to be able to get your social issues out of the ****ing way.

Dude, I feel you. Calling someone by a certain name is such a monumental task.

 

[SamRebel35]

Whose advocating violence? And sure you have the right to roll your eyes and call them whatever you want. It just makes you a bleep hole.

Nobody is advocating violence.

The reason I mentioned violence is because a lot of times transgender people claim that misgendering is an act of violence. It isn't violence, and any violence as a response to misgendering is unjustified. That's all I was saying.

 

[utvolpj]

When I first started working here I met the company founder and called him mr. He didn't correct me so I recognized how to address him in the future. When i met the newest CEO I again started at Mr and he corrected me to just use his first name. Quick and simple and we're now all on the same page

I don't like it when people shorten my name and will usually correct them. Have yet to have anyone get offended at my suggestion. How is this different?

 

[Septic]

I wouldn’t say I’m bent out of shape. I am concerned with the implications both from personal rights and from a mental health standpoint.

Nice attempt to poison the well. Just because there aren’t valid reasons to object to interracial marriage doesn’t mean there aren’t valid reasons to object to these other concerns.

I wasn't specifically calling you bent out of shape but I can see how it would have been inferred, my bad. I don't think I poisoned the well by offering examples of other progressive, controversial, societal pressures; at the time (and many still today), the detractors would have you believe that someone else's personal choices are affecting 'there's'. If the worst thing you have done is to get heaved from a tranny friendly music forum or get asked to call a him a her, then it's not the end of the world.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Dude, I feel you. Calling someone by a certain name is such a monumental task.

You feel nothing but being obtuse. It is an issue when you don't know what to call someone from day to day. It's also a pain in the ass when there are 15 different genders that you have to be aware of. I'm more a man of science......2 genders and then a VERY few abnormalities due to mutation.

 

[LouderVol]

When I first started working here I met the company founder and called him mr. He didn't correct me so I recognized how to address him in the future. When i met the newest CEO I again started at Mr and he corrected me to just use his first name. Quick and simple and we're now all on the same page

I don't like it when people shorten my name and will usually correct them. Have yet to have anyone get offended at my suggestion. How is this different?

So we better keep it at "pj" and not just "p" or "j"?

 

[LouderVol]

When I first started working here I met the company founder and called him mr. He didn't correct me so I recognized how to address him in the future. When i met the newest CEO I again started at Mr and he corrected me to just use his first name. Quick and simple and we're now all on the same page

I don't like it when people shorten my name and will usually correct them. Have yet to have anyone get offended at my suggestion. How is this different?

From my limited experience I would say the issue is the over reactions. "Its ma'am!" Its not a correction, it's a full on reprimand which has lead to legal action in some cases.