Treasonous John Kerry

#51
#51
I can see it now...Kerry will accuse Bibi of being complicit in spreading falsehoods because he is a Trumper....

Kerry vs Bibi could be epic. NEVER piss of an Israeli Johnny. They know stuff.
 
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n_huffhines said:
So my TV show and movie comment you all upset? I don't even see that as an argument. I just thought we were both talking it out, and not necessarily in opposing directions.
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Sorry. I started feeling ill. I got impatient. Had to take a break. Feeling better.
 
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Treason not treason , spying , aiding the enemy , divulging top secret information to a terrorist supporting country that could get our closest allies in the middle east killed , whatever you call it .. that man should be stripped of any access to government information and never be allowed clearance again .
 
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LouderVol said:
Wasnt Snowden accused of treason. IF, big if, this is true I could see it being on that level of reasoning.
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At the least he was accused of espionage, but he also revealed actual U.S. secrets, not Israeli secrets.
 
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Orangeburst said:
I can see it now...Kerry will accuse Bibi of being complicit in spreading falsehoods because he is a Trumper....

Kerry vs Bibi could be epic. NEVER piss of an Israeli Johnny. They know stuff.
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Dang right...next time u dial your mom...Mossad be having ServiceMaster cleaning up your remains off the roof
 
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VolnJC said:
And Biden will do absolutely nothing about it
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* In the interest of full disclosure, I'm admitting that the following information does qualify as a full-scale example of "what-about-ism", which I have often criticized and dismissed in the past as any sort of defense for the current events being discussed.

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On January 8, 2020, in a military operation code named "Operation: Martyr Soleimani", Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) launched numerous ballistic missiles at a joint American and Iraqi air base (the Ayn al-Asad air base) in western Iraq, as well as another air base in Erbil, in response to the killing of Major General Qasem Soleimani by a United States drone strike. While the U.S. initially assessed that none of its service members were injured or killed, the U.S. Department of Defense ultimately said that 110 service members had been diagnosed and treated for traumatic brain injuries from the attack. Some analysts suggested that the strike was deliberately designed to avoid causing any fatalities (which it did). However, United States Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, said that the attack was intended to kill Americans. This Iranian attack was never met with a retaliatory response from the United States military. Although, President Donald Trump did make an announcement that "All is well!" on his Twitter account.

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Did you ever express such indignation at the Trump Administration's lack of a response? Or did you (much more likely) applaud their discretion for not wanting to escalate hostilities with a disproportionate response to a non-fatal strike? I think we know what your foreign policy partisan stances are, and that they alternate from pacifist to war hawk, depending completely upon which party is in power at the time.
 
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Not a surprise. The democratic party has no interest in promoting the security of this nation or it's allies.

They are far to busy pandering.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
* In the interest of full disclosure, I'm admitting that the following information does qualify as a full-scale example of "what-about-ism", which I have often criticized and dismissed in the past as any sort of defense for the current events being discussed.

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On January 8, 2020, in a military operation code named "Operation: Martyr Soleimani", Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) launched numerous ballistic missiles at a joint American and Iraqi air base (the Ayn al-Asad air base) in western Iraq, as well as another air base in Erbil, in response to the killing of Major General Qasem Soleimani by a United States drone strike. While the U.S. initially assessed that none of its service members were injured or killed, the U.S. Department of Defense ultimately said that 110 service members had been diagnosed and treated for traumatic brain injuries from the attack. Some analysts suggested that the strike was deliberately designed to avoid causing any fatalities (which it did). However, United States Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, said that the attack was intended to kill Americans. This Iranian attack was never met with a retaliatory response from the United States military. Although, President Donald Trump did make an announcement that "All is well!" on his Twitter account.

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Did you ever express such indignation at the Trump Administration's lack of a response? Or did you (much more likely) applaud their discretion for not wanting to escalate hostilities with a disproportionate response to a non-fatal strike? I think we know what your partisan stances are, and that they alternate from pacifist to war hawk, depending completely upon which party is in power at the time.
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Wouldnt that just be a retaliation of us killing their general?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
* In the interest of full disclosure, I'm admitting that the following information does qualify as a full-scale example of "what-about-ism", which I have often criticized and dismissed in the past as any sort of defense for the current events being discussed.

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On January 8, 2020, in a military operation code named "Operation: Martyr Soleimani", Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) launched numerous ballistic missiles at a joint American and Iraqi air base (the Ayn al-Asad air base) in western Iraq, as well as another air base in Erbil, in response to the killing of Major General Qasem Soleimani by a United States drone strike. While the U.S. initially assessed that none of its service members were injured or killed, the U.S. Department of Defense ultimately said that 110 service members had been diagnosed and treated for traumatic brain injuries from the attack. Some analysts suggested that the strike was deliberately designed to avoid causing any fatalities (which it did). However, United States Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, said that the attack was intended to kill Americans. This Iranian attack was never met with a retaliatory response from the United States military. Although, President Donald Trump did make an announcement that "All is well!" on his Twitter account.

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Did you ever express such indignation at the Trump Administration's lack of a response? Or did you (much more likely) applaud their discretion for not wanting to escalate hostilities with a disproportionate response to a non-fatal strike? I think we know what your foreign policy partisan stances are, and that they alternate from pacifist to war hawk, depending completely upon which party is in power at the time.
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So what's your stance on retaliating for an attack that had no casualties? Right or wrong?
 
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n_huffhines said:
OK, but how would this be "treason" when the offense would be against Israel, not the US? LOL
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I think giving military information to a country that we are in a Cold War of sorts with would suffice. At least it should, this sort of thing wouldn’t have flown a few decades ago
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
For the killing of one man, Iran launched missiles into an American air base... and we never did anything about it. The two events are hardly proportional in nature.
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What would the proportional response be if Iran had assassinated Mattis? I would say their response was very measured.
 
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Weezer said:
So what's your stance on retaliating for an attack that had no casualties? Right or wrong?
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What are you talking about? There were American casualties which resulted from the Iranian missile strikes. The United States Department of Defense said that 110 service members were diagnosed and treated for traumatic brain injuries from the attack.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
What are you talking about? There were American casualties which resulted from the Iranian missile strikes. The United States Department of Defense said that 110 service members were diagnosed and treated for traumatic brain injuries from the attack.
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Okay, but what is the answer to my question?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Only if Mattis was a terrorist, as Soleimani was. He was a long time supporter of Hezbollah.
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I agree. But we're talking proportional response. I believe their response fit. They don't care why we killed him. Just that we did. If they had assassinated a top General of ours I suspect Tehran would be wiped from earth. I suspect they thought that too. And to be clear I don't think the Biden admin should do much of anything here. Send some more ships and call it a day.
 
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lukeneyland said:
I think giving military information to a country that we are in a Cold War of sorts with would suffice. At least it should, this sort of thing wouldn’t have flown a few decades ago
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This doesn't meet the definition of treason... which has become an over-used term in politics.
 
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volfanhill said:
I agree. But we're talking proportional response. I believe their response fit. They don't care why we killed him. Just that we did. If they had assassinated a top General of ours I suspect Tehran would be wiped from earth. I suspect they thought that too. And to be clear I don't think the Biden admin should do much of anything here. Send some more ships and call it a day.
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I would argue that the killing of Soleimani was done in retaliation to illegal acts which he had already engaged in... and any such response to our retaliation would mark an escalation of hostilities. You killed our mass murderer so we are going to injure over 100 of your military service members is not proportional.
 
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agVOL90 said:
Not a surprise. The democratic party has no interest in promoting the security of this nation or it's allies.

They are far to busy pandering.
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This is rich. While he was president, Donald Trump frequently discussed pulling the United States out of NATO, but you probably didn't see a problem with that, did you?

.... and yes, I realize that is another example of "what-about-ism".
 
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