Treasonous John Kerry

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BowlBrother85 said:
This is rich. While he was president, Donald Trump frequently discussed pulling the United States out of NATO, but you probably didn't see a problem with that, did you?

.... and yes, I realize that is another example of "what-about-ism".
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Hasn’t most of your posts in this thread been nothing but whataboutism?
 
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hog88 said:
Hasn’t most of your posts in this thread been nothing but whataboutism?
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Yeah... but that's not totally out of line. It should be noted that the foreign policy positions of some members here shifts based on which party is in power. It is fair to point out that Trump was a non-interventionist and most of his supporters on here applauded him for that... but now we get a post from @VolnJC which laments "And Biden will do absolutely nothing about it" when we are only talking about the harassment of two ships? What would Trump have done? Nothing. Give me a break.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
For the killing of one man, Iran launched missiles into an American air base... and we never did anything about it. The two events are hardly proportional in nature.
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We blew up their number 2 guy in the nation , and they attack an air base which leads to us having to repave an air field and you consider that a net loss for us?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I would argue that the killing of Soleimani was done in retaliation to illegal acts which he had already engaged in... and any such response to our retaliation would mark an escalation of hostilities. You killed our mass murderer so we are going to injure over 100 of your military service members is not proportional.
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How many of those 100 were actually no longer able to serve? From what I remember that 100 was how many they checked for concussions. Not how many went on disability or had to be taken off active duty.
 
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LouderVol said:
We blew up their number 2 guy in the nation , and they attack an air base which leads to us having to repave an air field and you consider that a net loss for us?
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That "number 2 guy in the nation" had a lengthy history of funding terrorism going all the way back to the 80's. You don't seem to want to acknowledge that... or the fact that we had some military service members who suffered some serious injuries as a result of their strike.

My main point, however, is to show the lack of consistency on display from Trump supporters on this forum who never opposed his non-interventionist stance to foreign policy... but now think Biden is weak for not striking Iran over the "harassment of two ships". Call me out for playing "what-about-ism", because that is exactly what I'm doing, but it's a valid criticism in this instance. Trump supporters are not consistent on this subject. Their position alternates from pacifist to war hawk, depending on which party is in power.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
This is rich. While he was president, Donald Trump frequently discussed pulling the United States out of NATO, but you probably didn't see a problem with that, did you?

.... and yes, I realize that is another example of "what-about-ism".
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NATO....lol

BTW, Trump wasn't going to "pull out" of NATO. He just expected every country to be invested and honor their commitment.
 
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LouderVol said:
How many of those 100 were actually no longer able to serve? From what I remember that 100 was how many they checked for concussions. Not how many went on disability or had to be taken off active duty.
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You are trying to minimize it... I get it. Trump did the same thing, because he knew he wouldn't do anything about it, and he didn't want to be criticized for it.

However, the Defense Department described 45 U.S. service members who were diagnosed with traumatic brain injuries who did not return to active duty.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That "number 2 guy in the nation" had a lengthy history of funding terrorism going all the way back to the 80's. You don't seem to want to acknowledge that... or the fact that we had some military service members who suffered some serious injuries as a result of their strike.

My main point, however, is to show the lack of consistency on display from Trump supporters on this forum who never opposed his non-interventionist stance to foreign policy... but now think Biden is weak for not striking Iran over the "harassment of two ships". Call me out for playing "what-about-ism", because that is exactly what I'm doing, but it's a valid criticism in this instance. Trump supporters are not consistent on this subject. Their position alternates from pacifist to war hawk, depending on which party is in power.
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Point out the people who actually did both of what you mentioned.

And the democrats similarly flipped their positions. It's not just the Rs who changed their spots every four years.
 
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BreatheUT said:
NATO....lol

BTW, Trump wasn't going to "pull out" of NATO. He just expected every country to be invested and honor their commitment.
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Per John Bolton, (and I realize that you will call him a liar) Donald Trump did discuss pulling the United States out of NATO.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You are trying to minimize it... I get it. Trump did the same thing, because he knew he wouldn't do anything about it, and he didn't want to be criticized for it.

However, the Defense Department described 45 U.S. service members who were diagnosed with traumatic brain injuries who did not return to active duty.
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There we go, I have "minimized" your 100 down to 45 with some more information.
 
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hog88 said:
I can’t see how this is treason but I also can’t see how this doesn’t violate about every law there is dealing with classified information.
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Yeah, it seemed so ridiculous I honestly thought it had to be made up at first.

There should be zero whataboutism here.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
That "number 2 guy in the nation" had a lengthy history of funding terrorism going all the way back to the 80's. You don't seem to want to acknowledge that... or the fact that we had some military service members who suffered some serious injuries as a result of their strike.

My main point, however, is to show the lack of consistency on display from Trump supporters on this forum who never opposed his non-interventionist stance to foreign policy... but now think Biden is weak for not striking Iran over the "harassment of two ships". Call me out for playing "what-about-ism", because that is exactly what I'm doing, but it's a valid criticism in this instance. Trump supporters are not consistent on this subject. Their position alternates from pacifist to war hawk, depending on which party is in power.
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Iran does not give a **** about his history. We escalated **** when we killed him. Don't you remember all the hand wringing for this? And they struck back rather blandly. I am not minimizing the US injuries. But again, if Iran took out someone on our side as senior as him, Tehran would be leveled. They knew it. This was their measured response. The fact the general was a terrorist just made it easier for our allies to swallow. And if it was just us killing a terrorist, then why was the left crapping their pants about it? How it was proof Trump was crazy. Come on man. You know that was how this was portrayed by the left.
 
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volfanhill said:
Iran does not give a **** about his history. We escalated **** when we killed him. Don't you remember all the hand wringing for this? And they struck back rather blandly. I am not minimizing the US injuries. But again, if Iran took out someone on our side as senior as him, Tehran would be leveled. They knew it. This was their measured response. The fact the general was a terrorist just made it easier for our allies to swallow. And if it was just us killing a terrorist, then why was the left crapping their pants about it? How it was proof Trump was crazy. Come on man. You know that was how this was portrayed by the left.
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This! The left flipped out and was playing sked as hell.
 
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volfanhill said:
I am not trying to defend Kerry here. But let's be real. The source is a front runner for Iran's next president. Would it be that shocking if this was bs? Of course not.
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Would it shock you if I said I trust one about as much as I do the other ?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
This is rich. While he was president, Donald Trump frequently discussed pulling the United States out of NATO, but you probably didn't see a problem with that, did you?

.... and yes, I realize that is another example of "what-about-ism".
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Firstly I never mentioned Trump nor did I mention his policies regarding NATO.

Since you are obviously a victim of the derangement syndrome that seems so widespread I will address your points.

The fact that Trump threatened to withdraw from NATO was based primarily off of the fact that the American taxpayers are having to shoulder an inordinate financial burden while many members of NATO set by glad that we are paying for their defense. His stand forced several members to dramatically increase their defense spending. Now that crusty is infesting the oval office I doubt that will continue,
I had no problem with this policy. To be honest many of the members of NATO have expressed views that are blatantly against the treaty that was established at it's founding and are just as likely to be against us on security issues as they are in support.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Pales in comparison to Trump's repeated acts of treason with Putin, ignored by the bulk of the GOP.
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That's laughably stupid and you know it. Do you have any intellectual honesty in you? Side note it's interesting to watch you only agree with the conservatives on this board when it comes to cops. I mean good god. How FOS are you. You are gung oh GOP when it's a group paying your bills. You are such a hack.
 
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volfanhill said:
That's laughably stupid and you know it. Do you have any intellectual honesty in you?
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Why do people forget he's a lawyer? Pretty sure intellectual honesty is something they surgically remove in law school.
 
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