Trooper Taylor/ncaa show cause

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KCVolLaw said:
At least I don't have to work hard to discredit you. You've got that handled yourself.
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Sorry I speak in facts their hard to dispute normally when som1 does that to me and I can't think of anything to say I just attack them personally
 
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Vols4us said:
Anybody uncomfortable with how the old "best staff in America" thing is shaking out? Are we becoming Cincy South, or is a "big name" coaching staff not all that important in rebuilding into a top tier program that can compete with Saban, Meyer, Spurrier, Miles, etc.?
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No. It's much better than what was here before and will likely turn out to be very good. It all a matter of attitude. Positive vs negative.
 
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KCVolLaw said:
Has everyone forgotten how big a piece of **** Trooper Taylor is? I mean really. There is no one I want further away from this program. He would be gone within two years anyway.
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I guess I have forgotten. Please tell me what all he has done that makes him a pos. Give me facts not stuff that you read on here or that you assume.
 
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Vol$4Life said:
Sorry I speak in facts their hard to dispute normally when som1 does that to me and I can't think of anything to say I just attack them personally
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What exactly were your facts? Was it that programs can be as dirty as they want because people only remember championships? Or was it that Penn State got put on probation and won 8 games so obviously we should definitely stop monitoring our program?

I guess the second one is a fact but if that's really a point your making, then yea you look foolish.
 
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GLDunlap said:
I guess I have forgotten. Please tell me what all he has done that makes him a pos. Give me facts not stuff that you read on here or that you assume.
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Him being a POS is my own personal opinion. I dislike his overall demeanor. The whole Gabe Wright situation, which I admit GJ did nothing wrong from his account, was not an ethical thing for a coach to do to a former player. No major violations yet, but like I've said where there is smoke there's fire.
 
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KCVolLaw said:
Him being a POS is my own personal opinion. I dislike his overall demeanor. The whole Gabe Wright situation, which I admit GJ did nothing wrong from his account, was not an ethical thing for a coach to do to a former player. No major violations yet, but like I've said where there is smoke there's fire.
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Doesn't mean it's a major fire. Thig was also pulled off the road for 45 days and it wasn't major. Auburn said TT was pulled off for secondary violations and I don't believe they would risk lying about it. It does seem harsh to call someone a pos just because you don't like their demeanor but that's your prerogative. Personally I want the players to get a coach they like not one that I approve of.

I can't disagree on the Gabe Wright incident though if it happened like it appears. Recruiting is a dirty business and who knows what all really happens. Not excusing it but it is cut throat.
 
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GLDunlap said:
Doesn't mean it's a major fire. Thig was also pulled off the road for 45 days and it wasn't major. Auburn said TT was pulled off for secondary violations and I don't believe they would risk lying about it. It does seem harsh to call someone a pos just because you don't like their demeanor but that's your prerogative. Personally I want the players to get a coach they like not one that I approve of.
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We can't afford any fires at this point in time. Even small fires. I wasn't happy with Thigs problems either.

Personally I could care less if the players like a coach. If we win games and a coach makes a player better players will come to play. I don't think we need to have a lawless reputation just so we can pull 5-stars faster. If we do it the right way kids will come.
 
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GLDunlap said:
I can't disagree on the Gabe Wright incident though if it happened like it appears. Recruiting is a dirty business and who knows what all really happens. Not excusing it but it is cut throat.
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Most of my problems with him stem from that. We will never know all those facts, but it's incredibly hard to believe that TT didn't have something to do with putting that together, and it's just not something GJ should have been a part of.
 
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KCVolLaw said:
We can't afford any fires at this point in time. Even small fires. I wasn't happy with Thigs problems either.

Personally I could care less if the players like a coach. If we win games and a coach makes a player better players will come to play. I don't think we need to have a lawless reputation just so we can pull 5-stars faster. If we do it the right way kids will come.
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Really? Their the ones running steps at 6:00 am in the middle of July not me. I think liking your position coach is probably the most important thing to a player.
 
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GLDunlap said:
Really? Their the ones running steps at 6:00 am in the middle of July not me. I think liking your position coach is probably the most important thing to a player.
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I don't think they have to be best friends with their position coach. Not that that's what you were saying. Either way my main point is that there are plenty of coaches who players will like and be loyal to just as much as TT who don't bring the baggage.
 
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GLDunlap said:
I guess I have forgotten. Please tell me what all he has done that makes him a pos. Give me facts not stuff that you read on here or that you assume.
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LOL, as always you have the ill informed that care to choose to not heed the facts before them before they open their mouth and insert foot.... Proof 1, Fulmer ditched Taylor for his questionable recruiting violations and no way in hell he was going to make him OC...... Trooper ran to OSU which while he was there had two recruits that put them on probation that HE RECRUITED, mind you Trooper chest bumped them all the way to JUCO.... then how he received a job at AU I'll never know but I live here in Southeast Alabama and have very wealthy friends that are big boosters of the AU program and they say Gene hired him for one reason and it was because he was a money man, (take it for what it's worth, but this is coming from boosters that donate 5-10 times what I donate to UT.. (I'm Silver Club) and these guys have the scoop.

Remember the Limo deal that popped the secondary violations on AU? Troops Idea, and he got burned for it, but it did pay dividends for AU that year as they signed a top 10 class, and further more, Trooper was the lead recruiter on Dryer, So I have to ask do you want that crap here?

Your win at all cost would hurt our program more and for those that didn't attend much less graduate from UT, how dare you place our school, our integrity in question for an athlete that will place our program on probation or embarrass us to the the point of burying our heads in sand.

As I said, I'm a Silver level donor and if Trooper Taylor comes anywhere near our program or is a coach here, I'm gone. I graduated from UT and my passion runs deep and long but this man is a cancer and anyone who wants him back into our program is sadly mistaken. Read the signs on the wall.

Best to let that dog get taken over by fleas and steer clear.
 
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volnal said:
LOL, as always you have the ill informed that care to choose to not heed the facts before them before they open their mouth and insert foot.... Proof 1, Fulmer ditched Taylor for his questionable recruiting violations and no way in hell he was going to make him OC...... Trooper ran to OSU which while he was there had two recruits that put them on probation that HE RECRUITED, mind you Trooper chest bumped them all the way to JUCO.... then how he received a job at AU I'll never know but I live here in Southeast Alabama and have very wealthy friends that are big boosters of the AU program and they say Gene hired him for one reason and it was because he was a money man, (take it for what it's worth, but this is coming from boosters that donate 5-10 times what I donate to UT.. (I'm Silver Club) and these guys have the scoop.

Remember the Limo deal that popped the secondary violations on AU? Troops Idea, and he got burned for it, but it did pay dividends for AU that year as they signed a top 10 class, and further more, Trooper was the lead recruiter on Dryer, So I have to ask do you want that crap here?

Your win at all cost would hurt our program more and for those that didn't attend much less graduate from UT, how dare you place our school, our integrity in question for an athlete that will place our program on probation or embarrass us to the the point of burying our heads in sand.

As I said, I'm a Silver level donor and if Trooper Taylor comes anywhere near our program or is a coach here, I'm gone. I graduated from UT and my passion runs deep and long but this man is a cancer and anyone who wants him back into our program is sadly mistaken. Read the signs on the wall.

Best to let that dog get taken over by fleas and steer clear.
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Was I talking to you? NO no I wasn't but it looks like you're the one putting your foot in your mouth Mr. "silver level" donor. What does you being a donor have to do with anything? I think the program will survive without you. All you brought is an elitist attitude but no real facts just more rumor, innuendo and misinformation. Whatever your talking about at Oklahoma State either never happened or it was in the late 80's when Trooper was in college at Baylor since that was the only time Oklahoma State has been on probation. Oklahoma State has not had a major rules violation since 1989 and they certainly have not been on probation since then. Trooper has never been pinned with anything other then secondary violations and no worse then what Tommy Thigpen has done. Why didn't you walk away when Thig was hired? Even more amazing you were apparently ok with Kiffin, Orgeron and Willie Mack Garza but you draw the line with Trooper Taylor? I'm not saying Trooper is squeaky clean but just google any major football program for secondary violations and you will see how foolish it is to act like Trooper is scum. Ohio State self reported 46 secondary violations last year, Alabama 27 it happens everywhere all the time even here.

Fulmer didn't "ditch" Trooper because of any recruiting violations. Do you just make this stuff up in your head and think everyone will believe it? Trooper left because Fulmer didn't think he was ready to be the OC and Oklahoma State did. I guarantee you one thing Trooper would have been better then Dave Clawson and had Fulmer gave him a chance he probably wouldn't have been fired (at least when he was). Most everyone was upset when Trooper left because he did a great job when he was here.

Oh and by the way his name is Dyer not Dryer and Trooper was not his lead recruiter. Curtis Luper and Gus Malzhan were his recruiters. Besides that by all accounts Dyer was a good kid until the success went to his head. That's not a reflection on anyone that recruited him.

If you don't like Trooper then cool that's your right but don't say things that aren't even remotely true just to promote your agenda.

I'm not sure which post of yours was worse this one or the one where you said the way Vonn Bell looked on signing day reminded you of Malcolm X.

"If you have no critics you'll likely have no success".

Malcolm X
 
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volnal said:
LOL, as always you have the ill informed that care to choose to not heed the facts before them before they open their mouth and insert foot.... Proof 1, Fulmer ditched Taylor for his questionable recruiting violations and no way in hell he was going to make him OC...... Trooper ran to OSU which while he was there had two recruits that put them on probation that HE RECRUITED, mind you Trooper chest bumped them all the way to JUCO.... then how he received a job at AU I'll never know but I live here in Southeast Alabama and have very wealthy friends that are big boosters of the AU program and they say Gene hired him for one reason and it was because he was a money man, (take it for what it's worth, but this is coming from boosters that donate 5-10 times what I donate to UT.. (I'm Silver Club) and these guys have the scoop.


Remember the Limo deal that popped the secondary violations on AU? Troops Idea, and he got burned for it, but it did pay dividends for AU that year as they signed a top 10 class, and further more, Trooper was the lead recruiter on Dryer, So I have to ask do you want that crap here?

Your win at all cost would hurt our program more and for those that didn't attend much less graduate from UT, how dare you place our school, our integrity in question for an athlete that will place our program on probation or embarrass us to the the point of burying our heads in sand.

As I said, I'm a Silver level donor and if Trooper Taylor comes anywhere near our program or is a coach here, I'm gone. I graduated from UT and my passion runs deep and long but this man is a cancer and anyone who wants him back into our program is sadly mistaken. Read the signs on the wall.

Best to let that dog get taken over by fleas and steer clear.
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So all you are doing is going off rumors ? Oh and you are a silver club and your going to take your ball and go home if they hire Trooper ? you will show them.I dont think your donations or your so called silver club will cause UT to go under.OSU was not on probation before or after Trooper.Fulmer ditched Trooper because of questionable recruiting ? where is the he11 did you come up with that ? Was that what your big money AU boosters told you or what ?
 
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I saw where troop was owed 450k for each of the next 2 years. So my question is what would we have to pay him to get him? Wouldn't anything we pay him be deducted from the 450k? I don't think there's anyway we could pay him over 450k so why work for no more money? Unless he just wants to go ahead and get back in the game.
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EricberryFAN said:
I underrrstanndd... i'm saying...get the contract where if anything goes down on him CBJ has the option to boot him. Then we are golden.
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So if he cheats at Tn. and gets caught you think the NCAA would say "Oh,you have a contract? Never mind then UT,no problems . You're golden".:crazy:
 
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Heck I was wondering what a "silver level" donor even is, as I knew it wasn't how the athletic side of things classifies donors. Apparently it means you've given $2,500-$4,999 to one or more of several funds on the academic side: Vols Connect - Where to Give. What a playa.
 
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The Vols are already damaged goods, we don't need anymore help from Trooper Taylor....enough said
 
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tnvols72 said:
So all you are doing is going off rumors ? Oh and you are a silver club and your going to take your ball and go home if they hire Trooper ? you will show them.I dont think your donations or your so called silver club will cause UT to go under.OSU was not on probation before or after Trooper.Fulmer ditched Trooper because of questionable recruiting ? where is the he11 did you come up with that ? Was that what your big money AU boosters told you or what ?
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Sorry I upset you and no these aren't rumors. I just don't want a cancer in our program, and as far as being a donor and silver club, if the university can afford to lose 10k donors then you're right, I won't be missed, nor will my season ticket cost or my parking pass.

If you want a chest bumping, NCAA violation waiting to happen and our program put on probation for this clowns antics then have at it. I want no part of Trooper Taylor....That's my opinion and mine alone and you are entitled to yours as well.

As far as rumors, just hide and watch what goes down with Auburn...:dance:
 
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