Trump Assassination Attempt(s)

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hog88 said:
Avoiding the question? It’s the first time you’ve asked it but:

1 the federal reserve. It’s a complete failure per its own mission statement and has been the main driver of inflation since its inception. It’s nothing but a taxpayer backed cartel.

2 unaccountable bureaucracy. Unelected an unaccountable people making law at the behest of special interests affects us all but hopefully the Chevron ruling will end some of this.

3 our federal governments shortsighted (what wins the next election) approach to fiscal policy
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Actually it was the 2nd time I asked you, but all good. Thx for responding.

1. Federal Reserve. The mission of the Federal Reserve is "to foster the stability, integrity, and efficiency of the nation's monetary, financial, and payments systems so as to promote optimal economic performance". You claim the Fed has completely failed its mission. How so? Be specific.

2. Unaccountable Bureaucracy. What unelected people that make laws are you referring to? Are you talking about federal judges who are appointed by the President?

3. Election Cycles. Agree that election cycles can result in both shortsighted and whiplash fiscal national policies. However, many of the important functions of the federal government seemingly are apolitical. What fiscal policy changes concern you most?
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Yes, I've been around DeJarlais. Super nice and friendly guy, but don't care for his politics. James's Mother told me about the military. Also said he wasn't much of a Trumper, totally unsolicited, but that was it. Thanks
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Isn't that the dude who was married that was literally banging patients while prescribing them opioids and got caught pressuring at least one of these extremely inappropriate mistresses to get an abortion? All while pretending to be pro-life?
 
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MontyPython said:
Actually it was the 2nd time I asked you, but all good. Thx for responding.

1. Federal Reserve. The mission of the Federal Reserve is "to foster the stability, integrity, and efficiency of the nation's monetary, financial, and payments systems so as to promote optimal economic performance". You claim the Fed has completely failed its mission. How so? Be specific.

2. Unaccountable Bureaucracy. What unelected people that make laws are you referring to? Are you talking about federal judges who are appointed by the President?

3. Election Cycles. Agree that election cycles can result in both shortsighted and whiplash fiscal national policies. However, many of the important functions of the federal government seemingly are apolitical. What fiscal policy changes concern you most?
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Since the inception of the Federal reserve in 1913 the dollar has lost 98% of it's value, we had the great depression, multiple recessions and goodness knows how many bank and corporate bailouts all funded by the US taxpayer. What the Fed Reserve did was allow large banks to operate recklessly with near impunity and without fear of crashing because the FR would always be there to pump "new money" into them through loan guarantees and or subsidize interest rates . Yep, the FR has created out of thin air trillions of dollars since 1913 that were used to prop up failing banks and corps. Every time the FR creates new money it reduces the value of the dollar and is nothing but a hidden tax on every US citizen. It was created for 1 thing and that was to be a cartel of the biggest and richest bankers in the country to protect them and their wealth.

No, our lawmakers make vague laws and allow the individual bureaucracies interpret them making their own rules and regulations which are law. Take for instance the Federal Clean Air Act of 1970, please find the wording within that law authorizing or mandating the continued increase in CAFE standards on automobiles. It's not there, it's all done and decided by the EPA and NHTSA and not voted on by congress. Take big truck exhaust for example, (I disagree with these numbers but) the average class 8 (tractor trailer) vehicle's carbon footprint with the new emissions standards is 223 tons at an average of 120K miles per year at 6.5 miles per gallon. Prior to the implementation of the 2008 emissions requirements the average annual footprint was at 304 tons at 6.5 mpg. Sounds great right, dropped 81 tons per year in emissions? Nope, average fuel economy has stayed the same while the average cost of a class 8 truck has jumped through the roof. In 2006 I could buy a class 8 chassis for around $60k and today we're spending about $150k per copy, now not all of that is the emissions but just emissions alone adds around 20-25K per truck. So in almost 20 years prices have doubled and yet fuel economy has stayed relatively the same because the emissions retard fuel economy. I've seen estimates that without the required emissions equipment on these trucks it would be reasonable to expect them to get between 12 and 16 MPG. So if double the fuel mileage, burn half the diesel fuel how many tons of emissions do you think each truck would emit per year?

So when you throw in the fuel cost, increased repair costs, down time (yep almost every breakdown is emissions related) and the cost of the truck itself the unelected bureaucrats at the EPA and NHTSA cost companies millions every year which is passed on to the consumer with little to no benefit in the amount of pollution emitted by these trucks.
 
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C-south said:
Who is your realistic choice to lead our country? PJ can’t answer maybe you will.
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the only thing that makes a candidate "realistic" is people voting for them.

its a self fulfilling prophecy as long as the two parties keep people voting against the other side's candidate. they can keep throwing worse and worse candidates out there. the worse the candidate is, the more power the party has.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
So you're fine with me forgoing SS as long as you don't have to continue to pay. How is that any different than what I'm asking you to do? I've paid my whole life to get a fraction of what I've paid in. Your not good with exactly what I've had to do. How is what your advocating different than what I'm advocating? Seems pretty obvious what the difference is. 🤣
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lets say you and a bunch of people put money in some investment plan. after a bunch of people have invested in the investment plan for a really long time, you find out its a pyramid scheme, and not an actual investment plan. what do you do? Do you keep investing knowing that its going to a scheme that is stealing money? meanwhile there are new victims who have just started investing in the criminal pyramid scheme. meaning you "should" get some of your money back.

do you report the pyramid scheme to the cops, and end it for everyone? meaning that everyone lose the money they currently have invested? or do you wait until even more people invest even more money than they have currently invested before you stop it? or do you just play along with it, ensuring that no one actually comes out ahead, and that people are perpetually screwed with ever decreasing returns?

and as a partial aside is wanting not to be robbed, greed? is wanting you and others not to be continuously robbed, greed?
 
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LouderVol said:
lets say you and a bunch of people put money in some investment plan. after a bunch of people have invested in the investment plan for a really long time, you find out its a pyramid scheme, and not an actual investment plan. what do you do? Do you keep investing knowing that its going to a scheme that is stealing money? meanwhile there are new victims who have just started investing in the criminal pyramid scheme. meaning you "should" get some of your money back.

do you report the pyramid scheme to the cops, and end it for everyone? meaning that everyone lose the money they currently have invested? or do you wait until even more people invest even more money than they have currently invested before you stop it? or do you just play along with it, ensuring that no one actually comes out ahead, and that people are perpetually screwed with ever decreasing returns?

and as a partial aside is wanting not to be robbed, greed? is wanting you and others not to be continuously robbed, greed?
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My point remains. You are ok with me paying SS for entity of my working life and then forging any receipts but you are not willing to do the same. My offer to you remains, you continue to pay SS until every one currently on SS dies, approximately 20 years on average, then abolish it. Comparing SS to a normal illegal Ponzi scheme is a little disingenuous too. I's more like an interest free loan to the government where you get a portion of your principal back.
 
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MontyPython said:
Actually it was the 2nd time I asked you, but all good. Thx for responding.

1. Federal Reserve. The mission of the Federal Reserve is "to foster the stability, integrity, and efficiency of the nation's monetary, financial, and payments systems so as to promote optimal economic performance". You claim the Fed has completely failed its mission. How so? Be specific.

2. Unaccountable Bureaucracy. What unelected people that make laws are you referring to? Are you talking about federal judges who are appointed by the President?

3. Election Cycles. Agree that election cycles can result in both shortsighted and whiplash fiscal national policies. However, many of the important functions of the federal government seemingly are apolitical. What fiscal policy changes concern you most?
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ATF gun laws like the pistol brace that turned millions into felons overnight. bump stock bans(from Trump), the various rules on barrel length, suppressors, things like that.

Fauci and the CDC locking down the nation for 2 years, another thing to thank Trump for.

all of these EPA ones are ones I have directly been affected by in my line of work.

the EPA banning the most common types of refrigerants used in HVAC systems the country over, and even home appliances like fridges and freezers. they banned the old refrigerant, but the new refrigerant is slightly flammable, and now required in every new appliance coming to a home near you. and even after multiple industry professionals all raised the concern about the increased danger to people's lives, the EPA stuck with "its for the environment".

the EPA banning wood burning stoves.

shutting down the coal plants, leading to more energy insecurity in the nation and increased prices.

going back to the EPA and a lot of the "clean" air regulations requires that home HVAC systems run more continuously to get "good" fresh air into a house. meaning most systems run about 90% of the time, instead of the 65ish% of the time previously. meaning that we spend more energy than we used to, even with more efficient systems.

Obama's clean water act, the EPA and various other burearcy was able to manipulate into restrictions that banned some people and businesses from doing various repairs or expansions that were non-sensical. you have to stay 75ft away from a water way. a water way is anything that is intended to hold water, ever, even if only after a 100 year storm, and even if its a buried stream. I worked on one project that was impossible to get approved that was just repairs, and the owner lost the house later after it was condemned. all because some pencil pushers looked at a map, and said this house is too close to a nonexistent stream, it was about 50 feet away. the old rule was 25 feet. we took it to court, but ended up losing because of multiple federal bureaucracies pulling from the clean water act even if the act itself said nothing about the conditions in place.
 
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LouderVol said:
so the problem is that people have paid into the system, and your solution is to continue to have other people pay into the system until everyone who has paid into the system has received money back out of it? no one gets their money back. "their" money is already gone, because its a PONZI SCHEME. and your solution is to make sure that the "victims" who have paid in the longest get their money back, but that people who haven't met some arbitrary cutoff date should keep paying in, and get nothing back.

what happens with the current direction of SS where they are going to have to raise rates or cut benefits? I will pay in more than you did (as a rate), and receive less back (as a rate). your Ponzi scheme justs get worse and worse for the next generation. postponing suffering now, just leads to more suffering later. for your children, grandchildren, etc.
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I have paid in for 30 years now at 47yo. I will gladly cut my losses now and they can keep the thousands (many) that i have paid in over the years. Highly unlikely that i live to be old enough to draw anyway. Just quit taking money out of my checks. Everyone 55 or older as of today can draw based on what they paid in. End SS now...so that my kids and grandkids dont get robbed like I have. Done deal.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
My point remains. You are ok with me paying SS for entity of my working life and then forging any receipts but you are not willing to do the same. My offer to you remains, you continue to pay SS until every one currently on SS dies, approximately 20 years on average, then abolish it. Comparing SS to a normal illegal Ponzi scheme is a little disingenuous too. I's more like an interest free loan to the government where you get a portion of your principal back.
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LOL, you just described a Ponzi scheme. all profit, interest free loan, goes to the runner of the scheme, the government, while the investors get smaller and smaller returns, portion of your principal, until no money is left.

if you gave me the option to pay another 20 years in, get nothing back, and then pay nothing afterwards I would take that in a heart beat. Even with almost 40 years in at that point, 39 to be exact, I would still come out ahead.

and I am not ok with you paying SS for your entire life. that is why I want it to end. I don't think anyone should have paid SS. its a scam, always has been. what I want is for you, and others, to stop being victims. and yes that means realizing your losses earlier than you would have. the losses are still there, whether you realize it now, or when you die 50 years from now.

I am out 19 years of SS payments if it ended tomorrow, its not like I am fresh out of college on my first job ever. so don't go casting too many stones trying to call my lack of victimhood greed.
 
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marcusluvsvols said:
I have paid in for 30 years now at 47yo. I will gladly cut my losses now and they can keep the thousands (many) that i have paid in over the years. Highly unlikely that i live to be old enough to draw anyway. Just quit taking money out of my checks. Everyone 55 or older as of today can draw based on what they paid in. End SS now...so that my kids and grandkids dont get robbed like I have. Done deal.
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involuntary doesn't care about your kids or grandkids. not sure if he has any of his own, but he doesn't care about them either.

he just want to "get his".
 
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LouderVol said:
LOL, you just described a Ponzi scheme. all profit, interest free loan, goes to the runner of the scheme, the government, while the investors get smaller and smaller returns, portion of your principal, until no money is left.

if you gave me the option to pay another 20 years in, get nothing back, and then pay nothing afterwards I would take that in a heart beat. Even with almost 40 years in at that point, 39 to be exact, I would still come out ahead.

and I am not ok with you paying SS for your entire life. that is why I want it to end. I don't think anyone should have paid SS. its a scam, always has been. what I want is for you, and others, to stop being victims. and yes that means realizing your losses earlier than you would have. the losses are still there, whether you realize it now, or when you die 50 years from now.

I am out 19 years of SS payments if it ended tomorrow, its not like I am fresh out of college on my first job ever. so don't go casting too many stones trying to call my lack of victimhood greed.
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LOL , I've paid in for over 45 years and you think I should just say, "OK, just don't pay me what I'm owed." You are not willing to do what you are asking me to do, pay your entire life and get nothing back.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
LOL , I've paid in for over 45 years and you think I should just say, "OK, just don't pay me what I'm owed." You are not willing to do what you are asking me to do, pay your entire life and get nothing back.
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I am willing to do that if it means my children and those in my family who come after me, can have better options.
 
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LouderVol said:
involuntary doesn't care about your kids or grandkids. not sure if he has any of his own, but he doesn't care about them either.

he just want to "get his".
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LOL, You don't care about anyone but yourself. You want other people to sacrifice but you are unwilling to sacrifice yourself. It's 100% greed. Like I said before, I'm not reliant on SS but there are millions that are. You just going to throw them out on the street?
 
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McDad said:
I am willing to do that if it means my children and those in my family who come after me, can have better options.
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Fine. Put an end date on it. As people die off, you won't be replacing it. Should take about 20 years. And, if anyone is counting on SS whether it be your children, grandchildren or whomever, they're not very smart.

What are you going to do to those that rely on SS or will rely on SS? Throw them out on the street?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Fine. Put an end date on it. As people die off, you won't be replacing it. Should take about 20 years. And, if anyone is counting on SS whether it be your children, grandchildren or whomever, they're not very smart.

What are you going to do to those that rely on SS or will rely on SS? Throw them out on the street?
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I am fine with an end date.

People who rely on it will either have to find private organizations to cover their expenses, continue to work, or be moved to straight welfare. By the way, we should eliminate the rule about retirees on SS only working to x amount of payroll per year without risk to their benefits / taxes.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
 
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McDad said:
I am fine with an end date.

People who rely on it will either have to find private organizations to cover their expenses, continue to work, or be moved to straight welfare. By the way, we should eliminate the rule about retirees on SS only working to x amount of payroll per year without risk to their benefits / taxes.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
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What about the 80 yo guy living in a one bedroom apartment living on a fixed income (SS only) that is literally living paycheck to paycheck. (He's tenant of mine)? Should he lose his benefits, should I throw him out? I already have kept his rent $200 below the other units despite my insurance doubling as other cost have too.
 
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Why didn't one of those people on the ground throw something at the shooter when they saw him creeping like that. I would have grabbed the nearest water bottle and chucked it at him. Or if they saw the gun, yelled at the top of their lungs GUN!!! Law enforcement will pay attention to that.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
What about the 80 yo guy living in a one bedroom apartment living on a fixed income (SS only) that is literally living paycheck to paycheck. (He's tenant of mine)? Should he lose his benefits, should I throw him out? I already have kept his rent $200 below the other units despite my insurance doubling as other cost have too.
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I don't think so. I think if we step back from the extreme "what ifs" we have to agree at some age the disbursements would remain. Certainly appropriate for an 80 year old. The devil in those details is at what age does is scale back on a percentage basis until we get to zero, and the system will sunset once those "Zero folks" reach retirement.

I think your grace illustrates that many will make private (non mandated) action to help our their neighbor in need. I trust Americans to do what they've always done, help out their neighbor at home and abroad.
 
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