Trump Assassination Attempt(s)

[volfanhill]

Again I wasn't talking about passenger cars. Try again.

Try posting in finger paint. He might get it then

 

[MontyPython]

Again I wasn't talking about passenger cars. Try again.

For the second time... What vehicles were you suggesting declined in MPG?'

Trucks only?

Explain this then.

Source: www.energy.gov

 

[McDad]

Again I wasn't talking about passenger cars. Try again.

He's a sharp as a dog's hind leg.

As quick as a potato in February.

On top of it like a cat eating a canary.

 

[hog88]

Try posting in finger paint. He might get it then

I could have pointed out to him how his argument verifies one of my criticisms of the Federal Reserve but he'd never get it.

 

[hog88]

For the second time... What vehicles were you suggesting declined in MPG?'

Trucks only?

Explain this then.

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I never said any vehicle MPG declined. I was talking about Class 8 trucks (tractor trailers) and I said their MPG has stayed relatively the same. Plus I only attributed 20-25K in the increase in price to the increased emissions regulations put in place by unelected bureaucrats.

But by your own chart you show that MPG of pickup trucks have stayed pretty much the same since 1987/88. Thanks for the reinforcement.

 

[MontyPython]

I never said any vehicle MPG declined. I was talking about Class 8 trucks (tractor trailers) and I said their MPG has stayed relatively the same. Plus I only attributed 20-25K in the increase in price to the increased emissions regulations put in place by unelected bureaucrats.

But by your own chart you show that MPG of pickup trucks have stayed pretty much the same since 1987/88. Thanks for the reinforcement.

Link it.

 

[hog88]

Link it.

Over the past generation, a lot has changed for the workhorse of American freight-hauling, the eighteen-wheel big rig, officially known as the Class 8 long-haul tractor-trailer. One thing that hasn’t is their paltry fuel economy. The average tractor-trailer gets the same 6 miles per gallon of diesel that it did decades ago.

Eighteen wheels and ten miles per gallon - International Council on Clean Transportation

What Is Average MPG Of A Semi Truck : [Ultimate Guide 2024].

Alternative Fuels Data Center: Maps and Data - Average Fuel Economy by Major Vehicle Category

 

[MontyPython]

Eighteen wheels and ten miles per gallon - International Council on Clean Transportation

What Is Average MPG Of A Semi Truck : [Ultimate Guide 2024].

Alternative Fuels Data Center: Maps and Data - Average Fuel Economy by Major Vehicle Category

Pathetic. Really. And dated 7 years ago.

Yet, per your own linked articles, there appear to be numerous large tractor trailers that achieve significantly higher MPG:

The initial federal fuel economy standards for tractors, adopted three years ago, will push them to about 7 mpg by 2017. A Cummins-Peterbilt team has demonstrated a 10.7 mpg tractor-trailer prototype, which has logged hundreds of thousands of miles, and more recently a team led by Daimler topped that with a 12.2 mpg prototype. Volvo hasn’t unveiled any similar demo yet, but they appear to be on a similar path, and they are publicly committing to increasing their vehicles fuel efficiency and reducing their carbon footprint.

New vehicle prototypes aren’t the only way the trucking industry is tackling performance efficiency. Individual drivers are adding technology and improving their driving habits to achieve 10-11 mpg. Progressive fleets like Walmart are developing their own super-efficient tractor-trailers, including use of carbon fiber to save 4000 lbs, to help meet their sustainability goals. One innovative team even managed 13 mpg on a cross-country trip.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Yes,. His biggest supporters, one being a close friend, will assure you he has changed his life. I wouldn't vote for him under any circumstance for this reason alone. He's been winning rather easily. The dumbing down of America

I have known Scott for a long time.
And that description of him isn’t anywhere near close to the old Scott much less the man he is now.

You might want to look in the mirror

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

I have known Scott for a long time.
And that description of him isn’t anywhere near close to the old Scott much less the man he is now.

You might want to look in the mirror

I haven't commanded two different women to have an abortion and then took a stance against abortion as a leader of people. I explained my position about him clearly and concisely.

 

[hog88]

Pathetic. Really. And dated 7 years ago.

Yet, per your own linked articles, there appear to be numerous large tractor trailers that achieve significantly higher MPG:

The initial federal fuel economy standards for tractors, adopted three years ago, will push them to about 7 mpg by 2017. A Cummins-Peterbilt team has demonstrated a 10.7 mpg tractor-trailer prototype, which has logged hundreds of thousands of miles, and more recently a team led by Daimler topped that with a 12.2 mpg prototype. Volvo hasn’t unveiled any similar demo yet, but they appear to be on a similar path, and they are publicly committing to increasing their vehicles fuel efficiency and reducing their carbon footprint.

New vehicle prototypes aren’t the only way the trucking industry is tackling performance efficiency. Individual drivers are adding technology and improving their driving habits to achieve 10-11 mpg. Progressive fleets like Walmart are developing their own super-efficient tractor-trailers, including use of carbon fiber to save 4000 lbs, to help meet their sustainability goals. One innovative team even managed 13 mpg on a cross-country trip.

Here is a more recent article for you since you cherrypicked the oldest of my previous links. And again thank you for reinforcing my argument.

The national average of all US Class 8 tractor-trailers was at 6.24 MPG in 2020, however, fleets in the 2022 Fleet Fuel Study achieved a fleet-wide fuel economy of 7.23. MPG. The Department of Energy SuperTruck 1 trucks saw fuel economy ranging from 10 to 12.5 MPG. Trucks in NACFE’s Run on Less 2017 achieved 8.5 to 11.5 MPG, while the Run on Less 2019 Regional results were 6.5 to 9.6 MPG.

NACFE: Fleet Fuel Study

 

[Orangeslice13]

I haven't commanded two different women to have an abortion and then took a stance against abortion as a leader of people. I explained my position about him clearly and concisely.

Naw, you wouldn’t be honest about anything from your past that wasn’t perfect. Scott hasn’t hid from anything and owned it all. He’s not only different than he once was. He’s a better person than a someone pretending they’re not trash running him down on an anonymous board.

 

[Orangeslice13]

But you do you

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Naw, you wouldn’t be honest about anything from your past that wasn’t perfect. Scott hasn’t hid from anything and owned it all. He’s not only different than he once was. He’s a better person than a someone pretending they’re not trash running him down on an anonymous board.

I've done some stupid things and readily admit to it. Nothing remotely close to that crap. Plus, I'm not running for political office. We live in a nuanced world with distinction. We'll agree to disagree.

 

[MemphisVol77]

Yep, I had to look it up. That word of the day calendar is paying off.

No shame, I had to look it up also. I mean I did figure it out by context, but I looked it up just to make sure.

Gotta admit, I would have committed a misnomer and used misnomer instead.

To your MPG discussion, I agree with your general theme. (I think)
All fuel economy increases in the trucking industry have happened in spite of government, not because of government.
(EGR delete is the way to go, but it's veritably impossible to do and stay DOT compliant on anything since about 2017/18ish.....)
Fuel is the biggest industry cost by a landslide. All engineering budgets are 99.99% veered towards increasing fuel economy over preceding options/tech.
Only being slightly hyperbolic, since the 1970's any gov bureaucracy taking credit for for fuel efficiency is shameless self justification for what the industry was already doing.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

Plain as day

 

[InVOLuntary]

How can rice be ignorant?

What if it's dirty rice? Brown rice? Fried rice? So many questions.

 

[85SugarVol]

As quick as a potato in February.

 

[walkenvol]

You ask how I can claim SS is a loss, and then go and give me two reasons in your very post.

no there wouldn't be an abundance, we just wouldn't have the immediate (next decade) problem that we do have. its a Ponzi scheme, it always needs more money coming in than previously so that it can pay the previous round. If our population/income stagnated SS would go belly up super fast. because its a loss.

people who don't pay a dime into SS get money out of it. how can that be? they do that by taking money away from what an individual could/should earn, and distribute that wealth to others.

from the social security agency itself

Internal Real Rates of Return

www.ssa.gov

"Because the Social Security program has operated on a largely pay-as-you-go (PAYGO) basis, the level of contributions of each generation of workers is not directly related to the benefits they will receive. Under a PAYGO plan, benefits are not based on the accumulation of individual contributions,"

hey no loss people, explain these beauties: "The payroll-tax rate would begin to increase from the present law amount of 12.4 percent beginning in 2042. The payroll-tax rate increases to 17.01 percent in 2043 and continues to increase year-by-year until reaching 18.32 percent in 2078. It is expected that, under this scenario, further increases in the payroll tax rate would be needed after 2078 due to continuing increases in life expectancy." "(combined employer and employee tax went from 2 percent in 1940 to 12.4 percent starting in 1990)"

"For each sex, family grouping, and year-of-birth cohort the internal rates of return decrease as earnings increase.This is because the benefit formula is weighted toward beneficiaries with lower earnings."

who cares if you are screwing your children, you got yours and that's all that matter right?
"For the Increased Payroll Tax scenario (tables 2 and 5), the internal rates of return generally decrease after the 1985 birth cohort. These decreases in the internal rates of return result from the increasing tax rates under Increased Payroll Tax for years beginning with 2042. However, for the 1943 to 1973 birth cohorts, trends in rates vary from series to series for the same reasons as in the Present Law Scheduled scenario as these cohorts are not affected by the payroll tax increases."

There’s other options besides raising rates with the most obvious to raise the dates to start drawing. A less discussed option is to discontinue the spousal benefit along with any other benefits that aren’t earned by contributions.

 

[MontyPython]

Here is a more recent article for you since you cherrypicked the oldest of my previous links. And again thank you for reinforcing my argument.



NACFE: Fleet Fuel Study

And you said...

Over the past generation, a lot has changed for the workhorse of American freight-hauling, the eighteen-wheel big rig, officially known as the Class 8 long-haul tractor-trailer. One thing that hasn’t is their paltry fuel economy. The average tractor-trailer gets the same 6 miles per gallon of diesel that it did decades ago.

Thanks for the link to the fleet fuel study. It proves my point 100%.

From the study:

"The latest model year trucks in the Fleet Fuel Study had an MPG range of 7.2 to 9.5 MPG in 2021."

So, once again Hogg, your claims about truck fuel efficiency are complete and utter bullsh*t.

 

[malinoisvol]

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4800849-secret-service-email-criticizes-leaders/
The email, first reported by RealClearPolitics, was sent Monday night to the Secret Service’s entire Uniformed Division, with the unidentified writer threatening to not stop speaking out until “5 high-level supervisors (1 down) are either fired or removed from their current positions.”

 

[Orangeslice13]

I've done some stupid things and readily admit to it. Nothing remotely close to that crap. Plus, I'm not running for political office. We live in a nuanced world with distinction. We'll agree to disagree.

So you prefer your leaders to lie about their past. Cover up their wrongdoing and not learn from their mistakes?
Gotcha.

Not buying your self righteous BS either. I’m positive you’ve done equally ****** things in your life. You just lie to yourself and others about it. Probably while voting for the democrat klansmen who everyone tried to paint as a reformed man and great civil rights leader.

 

[hog88]

And you said...



Thanks for the link to the fleet fuel study. It proves my point 100%.

From the study:

"The latest model year trucks in the Fleet Fuel Study had an MPG range of 7.2 to 9.5 MPG in 2021."

So, once again Hogg, your claims about truck fuel efficiency are complete and utter bullsh*t.

OMG You missed your calling, you should have been Bidens press secretary. You lie and obfuscate with the best of them. That is a quote from one of the articles I linked. The AVERAGE in all of the articles I’ve linked is around 6.5 mpg the same as it was about 20 years ago.

Further let’s say the average has gone up to between 7.2 and 9 mpg that’s at a max 3 mpg better than it was 20 damn years ago. You think that wins the argument of good government?

 

[McDad]

OMG You missed your calling, you should have been Bidens press secretary. You lie and obfuscate with the best of them. That is a quote from one of the articles I linked. The AVERAGE in all of the articles I’ve linked is around 6.5 mpg the same as it was about 20 years ago.

Further let’s say the average has gone up to between 7.2 and 9 mpg that’s at a max 3 mpg better than it was 20 damn years ago. You think that wins the argument of good government?

You're as dumb as stink on poo.

 

[hog88]

You're as dumb as stink on poo.

That’s pretty dumb