Trump bullies the CDC and schools

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BowlBrother85 said:
The President of the United States will be held to a higher standard of conduct than other citizens. That is the standard that Trump signed up for when he made the decision to run for President. Trump likes to threaten to "pull funding" from any entity which has a different opinion on a certain course of action than he does. Trump has shown this to be the case even when this difference of opinion is reasonable and involves concerns over a health care crisis, where the consequences for a premature decision can lead to mass hospitalizations which overrun our health care facilities. That is currently happening in parts of Texas and Florida. Trump is a bully, who makes impulsive threats when others disagree with him... even when that disagreement involves a concern for the health and well-being of children. It's ridiculous and irresponsible.
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The expectations of higher standards work from both sides. One would hope that those higher standards also include not having a President with obvious signs of progressing dementia. Folks lose their drivers license all the time for only having mild dementia and y’all want Joe holding the nuclear football. That’s ridiculous and irresponsible.
 
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just a little fun trip in the wayback machine.

from the end of the Dear Colleague letter from the Obama administration

"When conducting Title IX enforcement activities, OCR seeks to obtain voluntary compliance from recipients. When a recipient does not come into compliance voluntarily, OCR may initiate proceedings to withdraw Federal funding by the Department or refer the case to the U.S. Department of Justice for litigation."

no play no pay; and a threat of litigation.

Not unique to this case.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I actually think you could have a locale that examines their own situation and comes up with a way to balance the risks such that they could offer brick and mortar school hours, albeit perhaps modified in some way.

What bothers me is that Trump sends out a tweet disavowing the CDC on the issue, demands all schools be open, regardless of circumstances, and threatens to cut off federal aid if they dare defy him.

I honestly do not understand how anyone could possibly defend that.
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I can: it hasn't been a problem in any schools anywhere around the globe.
 
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Mike Dewind is ordering masks in 7 Ohio counties with the worst increases.

Odds that Trump tweets about him in the next 48 hours?
 
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kiddiedoc said:
I can: it hasn't been a problem in any schools anywhere around the globe.
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They have been closed.

Do you truly believe that sending kids to school is not going to increase the spread of the virus? What are you going to say when contact tracing demonstrates otherwise?

Actually, I know what you will say. Same as Trump. Some right wing blogger somewhere will claim its not true. And you will glom onto that, proclaim him right, and the facts wrong.
 
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newyorkvol said:
It seems to me that trump made his announcement based off recommendations from AAP and even from input from Fauci and HHS (ie “science.”) Then certain politicians and teachers unions came out against his announcement and that’s when he threatened funding.

Is my timeline off?
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I absolutely trust the AAP over the CDC on an issue like this. Nobody is 100%-free from political bias, but the Academy is an evidence-based, peer-staffed organization that is entrusted with setting standards for the care of American youth.
 
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lawgator1 said:
They have been closed.

Do you truly believe that sending kids to school is not going to increase the spread of the virus? What are you going to say when contact tracing demonstrates otherwise?

Actually, I know what you will say. Same as Trump. Some right wing blogger somewhere will claim its not true. And you will glom onto that, proclaim him right, and the facts wrong.
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Do your homework. Schools in Europe, etc have been open for months. I've already posted the studies, which you conveniently ignore. I also linked the prospective Netherlands project. The AAP doesn't make haphazard policy statements.


Interestingly, I haven't said a word about Trump. I've moved completely out of the politics of the infection and schools, as that's my job. Further evidence of your illness.
 
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This reminds me of Louis CK's skit where his 4-year-old demands that the cookie is actually called a PIG Newton. Easy to Google....Language alert, but hilarious if you have kids (or have to explain science to LG).
 
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kiddiedoc said:
I absolutely trust the AAP over the CDC on an issue like this. Nobody is 100%-free from political bias, but the Academy is an evidence-based, peer-staffed organization that is entrusted with setting standards for the care of American youth.
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Lot's of trade offs to be sure but it seems the AAP has more expertise on this particular issue than CDC.

Fact is, no agency alone should be making the call or setting the standards. They are all fallible. CDC blew it on early testing by trying to keep everything in house. If we've learned anything it's that as we learn more the old strategies show weaknesses.
 
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DynaLo said:
The expectations of higher standards work from both sides. One would hope that those higher standards also include not having a President with obvious signs of progressing dementia. Folks lose their drivers license all the time for only having mild dementia and y’all want Joe holding the nuclear football. That’s ridiculous and irresponsible.
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Speaking of higher standards working from both sides: Would any of your "obvious signs of progressing dementia" include saying gibberish such as this during a prepared speech?

"In the fields and jungles of Vietnam, they delivered a swift and swippian ... and you know that was sweeping. It was swift and it was sweeping, like nobody's ever seen anything happen." - President Donald Trump during a July 4th speech.

... or is it more likely that both candidates are aging men in their 70's, whose cognitive abilities are in steady decline,and you are choosing to hold Joe Biden to a much different standard than you are Donald Trump, because Trump is your preferred candidate of choice? My guess is that you would excuse Trump's gibberish as being the fault of a teleprompter, while if Joe Biden had said the exact same thing, you would immediately cite dementia as the reason behind it.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Do your homework. Schools in Europe, etc have been open for months. I've already posted the studies, which you conveniently ignore. I also linked the prospective Netherlands project. The AAP doesn't make haphazard policy statements.


Interestingly, I haven't said a word about Trump. I've moved completely out of the politics of the infection and schools, as that's my job. Further evidence of your illness.
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Israel disagrees with you and Europe had much more strict lockdowns as a whole compared the US.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Speaking of higher standards working from both sides: Would any of your "obvious signs of progressing dementia" include saying gibberish such as this during a prepared speech?

"In the fields and jungles of Vietnam, they delivered a swift and swippian ... and you know that was sweeping. It was swift and it was sweeping, like nobody's ever seen anything happen." - President Donald Trump during a July 4th speech.

... or is it more likely that both candidates are aging men in their 70's, whose cognitive abilities are in steady decline,and you are choosing to hold Joe Biden to a much different standard than you are Donald Trump, because Trump is your preferred candidate of choice? My guess is that you would excuse Trump's gibberish as being the fault of a teleprompter, while if Joe Biden had said the exact same thing, you would immediately cite dementia as the reason behind it.
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It would be easy to do a comparison. Biden should do as many press outings as Trump and take as many unscripted questions as Trump and we could see how both handle it.
 
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volinbham said:
It would be easy to do a comparison. Biden should do as many press outings as Trump and take as many unscripted questions as Trump and we could see how both handle it.
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It would be harder than you are making it sound. The reality is that by the standards of most recent presidents, Trump doesn't conduct very many press outings. The only "unscripted questions" which Trump ever takes are really just hand-holding sessions on Fox News. Those Trump-friendly interviewers, such as Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham and Martha McCallum, don't ask follow ups whenever Trump dodges a question, and they don't press him on uncomfortable subjects.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It would be harder than you are making it sound. The reality is that by the standards of most recent presidents, Trump doesn't conduct very many press outings. The only "unscripted questions" which Trump ever takes are really just hand-holding sessions on Fox News. Those Trump-friendly interviewers, such as Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham and Martha McCallum, don't ask follow ups whenever Trump dodges a question, and they don't press him on uncomfortable subjects.
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not true at all. They've slowed down in the last month or so but he regularly took questions from the press corp at events and when he was heading out Marine One. For the entire month of March he took questions from the press corp every day at the Corona Virus Task Force briefings. Those were not Trump-friendly interviews.
 
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volinbham said:
not true at all. They've slowed down in the last month or so but he regularly took questions from the press corp at events and when he was heading out Marine One. For the entire month of March he took questions from the press corp every day at the Corona Virus Task Force briefings. Those were not Trump-friendly interviews.
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If you are counting the press pool questions, which he can always walk away from when he gets one he doesn't like? Then that shows that you are desperate for material. Trump doesn't hold actual press conferences or briefings, and he only does interviews with Fox News. Those sprayed questions out on the lawn are NOT press briefings.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
If you are counting the press pool questions, which he can always walk away from when he gets one he doesn't like? Then that shows that you are desperate for material. Trump doesn't hold actual press conferences or briefings, and he only does interviews with Fox News. Those sprayed questions out on the lawn are NOT press briefings.
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I never said press briefings - I said taking unscripted questions from the press. Trump did it every day. Biden maybe once. When you don't know what's coming it reveals more. Let's see some from Biden so we can compare how they are on their feet.
 
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volinbham said:
I never said press briefings - I said taking unscripted questions from the press. Trump did it every day. Biden maybe once. When you don't know what's coming it reveals more. Let's see some from Biden so we can compare how they are on their feet.
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Biden will have to show a lot more than what he has so far. I will give you that. Thanks to Trump's declining popularity, he hasn't had to do much... and so he hasn't. It is odd that on a weekend when Trump sounded so incoherent during a high profile speech on July 4th, the attacks on Biden remained the same, while his own gaffe is basically ignored. I say this all the time... there is not one form of critical assessment which can be made about Biden, which can't also be applied to Trump:

Inarticulate and gaffe prone .... Check
Dirty old man .... Check (See what Trump's own niece said about him. Good lord.)
Sexual assault claim from many years ago .... Check
Very selective with interviews .... Check
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You left an important one out:

* Still desperately trying to invalidate the Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare) while not having a plan to replace it with anything. On June 26th, the Trump Administration asked the Supreme Court to overturn the ACA. If successful, this would wipe out health insurance coverage for as many as 23 million Americans at the height of a pandemic which has already resulted in the deaths of over 100,000 Americans and is currently overrunning our nation's hospitals. What great leadership.
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Lol our hospitals are not overrun with COVID patients
 
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