Trump called Roseanne Barr to congratulate her on huge ratings success

[tennvols77]

I'm glad we can agree.

Obviously not. Keep being a smart arse.

 

[Septic]

So, you're telling me TBS knew who was going to win the election in February?

Your words about the sitting President, not mine.

She was hired for her anti GOP political views, to attack the primary contenders and certainly any potential Republican victor. This is her job and she does it well.

I kind of surprised and disappointed in your line here, you're better than this.

 

[volfanjustin]

She was hired for her anti GOP political views, to attack the primary contenders and certainly any potential Republican victor. This is her job and she does it well.

I kind of surprised and disappointed in your line here, you're better than this.

She is no different that any late night show or any show on CNN or MSNBC she uses more vulgarity but thats it. Of course for the previous 8 years they were all lapdogs sucking up to one certain person

 

[Grand Vol]

She was hired for her anti GOP political views, to attack the primary contenders and certainly any potential Republican victor. This is her job and she does it well.

I kind of surprised and disappointed in your line here, you're better than this.

Uh huh.

You're the one who's moving the goal posts now. You specifically said to "destroy" the President.

Surely you can find an anti Obama speech of hers prior to November 2016.

Or just admit you're just arguing because you like to argue.

 

[hog88]

Am I?

Did you know Valerie Jarrett was black before this happened? Did the majority of Americans? I know I didn't.

Did you even know who Valerie Jarrett was before this happened?

Furthermore, RB tried to make a funny. A very goofy attempt at it and likely not realizing the racial undertones of what she did. It was murky as to the racial intent, but she paid the price damn near immediately.

Enter Samantha Bee who has zero gray area in what she said. It was entirely vulgar and leaves no room for possible misinterpretation. And what has happened so far?

Zero except losing a couple of sponsorship ads on the show.

If the liberal side of the equation wants that equality thing, they should be going after Bee with pitchforks in hand and torches ready to burn her at the stake. But all we're getting is a "meh" out of them and even (as seen above) rationalization of her words.

There are words to describe such actions. It's called ****ing hypocrisy.

Proclaiming the left hypocrites or Floridians idiots is like telling us the sky is blue, no **** Sherlock.

ABC is free to do as they please, they can hire/fire, keep on whoever they want for whatever reason they want so I don't have a problem with their decisions.

 

[Septic]

Uh huh.

You're the one who's moving the goal posts now. You specifically said to "destroy" the President.

Surely you can find an anti Obama speech of hers prior to November 2016.

Or just admit you're just arguing because you like to argue.

Wow, not your finest moment GV. I'm sorry, I can explain it but I can't understand this for you.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Uh huh.

You're the one who's moving the goal posts now. You specifically said to "destroy" the President.

Surely you can find an anti Obama speech of hers prior to November 2016.

Or just admit you're just arguing because you like to argue.

I have no idea who she is. What station and is it a Disney station?

If she doesn't work for Disney, it's not hypocrisy in my mind. If she does, and they hired her to do what they fired Rosanne for doing---that's not an argument against hypocrisy.

As to the general left's treatment of this. It's a blatant double standard by the individuals perpetrating the double standard, just as it would be by anyone who was defending Rosanne. However, what I actually see from the right isn't a defense of Rosanne, but a call to the same standard from the left. I see lots of people that are saying, "OK. You want to crucify Rosanne? Fine. Where are the nails for your own?"

Big difference!

 

[Grand Vol]

Wow, not your finest moment GV. I'm sorry, I can explain it but I can't understand this for you.

Yeah, you're just trying to argue this morning. It has been a while since you stepped up to the plate with me. Too bad you've swung and missed.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Yeah, you're just trying to argue this morning. It has been a while since you stepped up to the plate with me. Too bad you've swung and missed.

I have to vote against you on this one. You're off your game today.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

Wow, not your finest moment GV. I'm sorry, I can explain it but I can't understand this for you.

She’s a female John Oliver. She was hired to attack republicans regardless of who won the election. If Clinton won she wouldn’t have two bad words for her, she’d spend her time yelling about the idiot republicans. Jon Stewart could at least take a couple shots at democrats, but it seems everyone after him on that show is anti GOP all the time and that’s the end of it.

The reason a lot of these people can’t be taken seriously is they claim things like there’s a war on women and then they turn around and call another woman a c***. So apparently you’re a part of the problem you’re so scared of.

 

[Grand Vol]

I have to vote against you on this one. You're off your game today.

So...

Septic moves the goal posts by first saying Bee was hired to "destroy" the President, then backtracks to say "well, I meant the GOP candidate field" after it was pointed out she started way before the 2016 elections.

But I'm off my game?

Okay. Sure.

 

[Grand Vol]

I have no idea who she is. What station and is it a Disney station?

If she doesn't work for Disney, it's not hypocrisy in my mind. If she does, and they hired her to do what they fired Rosanne for doing---that's not an argument against hypocrisy.

As to the general left's treatment of this. It's a blatant double standard by the individuals perpetrating the double standard, just as it would be by anyone who was defending Rosanne. However, what I actually see from the right isn't a defense of Rosanne, but a call to the same standard from the left. I see lots of people that are saying, "OK. You want to crucify Rosanne? Fine. Where are the nails for your own?"

Big difference!

See, Septic and CWV, this is how a logical argument should be presented.

I agree with what OC says here. It is a difference in networks, so there is that. However...

TBS backs Samantha Bee after Ivanka Trump apology: ‘It was our mistake too’ - AOL Entertainment

TBS has backed Samantha Bee after her apology to Ivanka Trump, issuing its own mea culpa for letting the “feckless c—” insult make it to air.

“Samantha Bee has taken the right action in apologizing for the vile and inappropriate language she used about Ivanka Trump last night,” the network said in a statement. “Those words should not have been aired. It was our mistake too, and we regret it.”

"Yeah, we're sorry and stuff."

 

[Vol_Doc]

Can we just admit that childish insults have no place in political discourse? Humor is one thing, but make it satirical. That fits with politics. It is focused on actions. Using derogatory terms and vulgarities isn't funny. It's lazy.

 

[1972 Grad]

Big Bang Theory? Gross

Is that the show with the flamer?

 

[ClearwaterVol]

So...

Septic moves the goal posts by first saying Bee was hired to "destroy" the President, then backtracks to say "well, I meant the GOP candidate field" after it was pointed out she started way before the 2016 elections.

But I'm off my game?

Okay. Sure.

It seems a distinction without difference.

 

[Grand Vol]

Can we just admit that childish insults have no place in political discourse? Humor is one thing, but make it satirical. That fits with politics. It is focused on actions. Using derogatory terms and vulgarities isn't funny. It's lazy accepted so long as it is used in reference to conservatives or those close to the Trump Administration.

Fixed for the double standard.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

See, Septic and CWV, this is how a logical argument should be presented.

I agree with what OC says here. It is a difference in networks, so there is that. However...

TBS backs Samantha Bee after Ivanka Trump apology: ‘It was our mistake too’ - AOL Entertainment



"Yeah, we're sorry and stuff."

And I've stated I have no problem with her being fired. Personally, I find there to be a difference in making racist comments and name calling. I know OC does not and I disagree with him on that issue because to maintain that position he is saying that calling someone a jerk is no different than calling them a ni**er. I see a distinction... he does not. No biggie. Difference of opinion.

 

[Grand Vol]

It seems a distinction without difference.

He distinctly said "she was hired to destroy the president."

His words. I called him on it as she was hired in 2015 (first show was in Feb 2016, so he was correct on that). He backtracked with a "well, what I really meant was" post on the matter.

I'm off my game?

Get real. And furthermore, get back on track of the fact the left is trying to rationalize the comments made by Bee. You know it's hypocritical, TBS issuing an apology of "sorry, kinda" is utter BS and silence from pro-women's rights liberal groups is BS. Just because Ivanka is related to Trump, it's perfectly acceptable to make her a target.

 

[1972 Grad]

And I've stated I have no problem with her being fired. Personally, I find there to be a difference in making racist comments and name calling. I know OC does not and I disagree with him on that issue because to maintain that position he is saying that calling someone a jerk is no different than calling them a ni**er. I see a distinction... he does not. No biggie. Difference of opinion.

Words are whatever you make them out to be.

 

[Grand Vol]

And I've stated I have no problem with her being fired. Personally, I find there to be a difference in making racist comments and name calling. I know OC does not and I disagree with him on that issue because to maintain that position he is saying that calling someone a jerk is no different than calling them a ni**er. I see a distinction... he does not. No biggie. Difference of opinion.

I could care less if she's fired or not. I'm more concerned with the double standard being applied in these situations.

As someone said a few days ago, the war on women is perfectly okay so long as it's being applied against a conservative woman or a Trump family member.

I'll reverse my statement whenever NOW puts out a statement condemning Bee's words.

 

[southgatevol]

And I've stated I have no problem with her being fired. Personally, I find there to be a difference in making racist comments and name calling. I know OC does not and I disagree with him on that issue because to maintain that position he is saying that calling someone a jerk is no different than calling them a ni**er. I see a distinction... he does not. No biggie. Difference of opinion.

What would the reaction have been if a someone had referred to Michelle Obama in the manner Bee referred to Ivanka?

 

[Vol_Doc]

Fixed for the double standard.

Well, I hold no such double standard, so my post was correct. I find Samantha Bee's insult equally awful. Of course, I've never seen her show. Wouldn't even know about it were it not for the commercials.

 

[Grand Vol]

What would the reaction have been if a someone had referred to Michelle Obama in the manner Bee referred to Ivanka?

According to Septic, it would be okay if Michelle was an adviser to the President.

It would even be more appropriate to call Malia Obama a c**t and to dress up sexy before telling her father to reverse his opinion on something.

 

[Orange_Crush]

And I've stated I have no problem with her being fired. Personally, I find there to be a difference in making racist comments and name calling. I know OC does not and I disagree with him on that issue because to maintain that position he is saying that calling someone a jerk is no different than calling them a ni**er. I see a distinction... he does not. No biggie. Difference of opinion.

I'm perfectly willing to defend my position. And I reiterate that to try to make the N word more "wrong" (note I didn't say more "offensive") is to simultaneously actually make it less wrong.

But you lose ground even on that from the perspective of defending from hypocrisy. The left is all about identity politics and has been accusing the right of a war on women for years now. They've claimed to be the defender of women's rights. No?

Now, are you saying that they classify women below people of color? That to call a woman the worst name possible to call a woman is OK, yet to compare a person of color to an ape isn't?

I still can't help but see the hypocrisy in there. You're not actually saying that there are levels of insult that are less wrong than others. You are saying that there are levels of people that are less wrong to insult.

It's a bad look for any and all of you guys that try to wiggle around in the confined space of that distinction.

 

[Grand Vol]

Well, I hold no such double standard, so my post was correct. I find Samantha Bee's insult equally awful. Of course, I've never seen her show. Wouldn't even know about it were it not for the commercials.

I never implied it was you with a double standard. Just that the double standard exists in the minds of some.