Trump called Roseanne Barr to congratulate her on huge ratings success

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DancingOutlaw said:
I still do not see anyone excusing her comments. I’m starting to feel like I’m taking crazy pills.
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Furthermore, RB tried to make a funny. A very goofy attempt at it and likely not realizing the racial undertones of what she did. It was murky as to the racial intent, but she paid the price damn near immediately.
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Next.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
You haven't gone deep enough. Why is attacking someone's features "wrong"?
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That's as deep as I need to go. It's the difference between criticism and cutting someone down. If I tell someone they are acting like an idiot (i.e. the appropriate response to just about everything AirVol posts), he is still capable of educating himself and forming a thought-out opinion in the future. He can fix it. Now, when I make fun of him for being hung like a squirrel, well... he's stuck like that and it's just mean-spirited to highlight it.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Exactly. Dink tells me to go find something worthy of defending when I'm not defending Rosanne. As a matter of fact, I'm actually calling a lot more than racism wrong.


Wait... Now that I think of it... Maybe that's the problem. Maybe we want to (correctly) vilify the hurtful racists out there while giving passes to ourselves and our own groups. 'Cause. You know. We're not *that* bad after all. I can hurt who I want because I can always paint someone over *there* as worse than I am.
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That is not the case. I personally, and most of society, finds racism to be deplorable. In my opinion, your position, though you think otherwise, seeks to minimize racist actions by stating that it is no different than any other hurtful actions. Calling someone a jerk, in the minds of most, is not as bad as calling someone a n***er. I know the intent matters and let's assume ill intent on both. I still believe that one is clearly worse than the other.

It has zero to do with how I perceive myself or others and painting others as worse than me. While I know you hate them, there are societal norms and pretending those are invalid doesn't make them any less present.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
That is not the case. I personally, and most of society, finds racism to be deplorable. In my opinion, your position, though you think otherwise, seeks to minimize racist actions by stating that it is no different than any other hurtful actions. Calling someone a jerk, in the minds of most, is not as bad as calling someone a n***er. I know the intent matters and let's assume ill intent on both. I still believe that one is clearly worse than the other.

It has zero to do with how I perceive myself or others and painting others as worse than me. While I know you hate them, there are societal norms and pretending those are invalid doesn't make them any less present.
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The problem is how liberals define racism.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
That's as deep as I need to go. It's the difference between criticism and cutting someone down. If I tell someone they are acting like an idiot (i.e. the appropriate response to just about everything AirVol posts), he is still capable of educating himself and forming a thought-out opinion in the future. He can fix it. Now, when I make fun of him for being hung like a squirrel, well... he's stuck like that and it's just mean-spirited to highlight it.
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You skirted the question. I'll ask again. Why is it wrong to attack someone's features?

Because it's mean spirited? Because they're "stuck like that" after you make fun of them? As if they wouldn't be had you not made fun of them?

Please. Try to be specific. Why is it wrong to verbally attack someone based on their race? I'm not asking for a comparison yet. I'm asking you to specifically answer that question.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
That is not the case. I personally, and most of society, finds racism to be deplorable. In my opinion, your position, though you think otherwise, seeks to minimize racist actions by stating that it is no different than any other hurtful actions. Calling someone a jerk, in the minds of most, is not as bad as calling someone a n***er. I know the intent matters and let's assume ill intent on both. I still believe that one is clearly worse than the other.

It has zero to do with how I perceive myself or others and painting others as worse than me. While I know you hate them, there are societal norms and pretending those are invalid doesn't make them any less present.
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Right?

It must be nice residing in a fantasy land wherein "jerk" is as bitter and cold as "n*****."
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Away with you, knuckledragger. I've no desire to exchange turd tosses with you today.

Roseanne is still fired. Deal with it.
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Shouldn’t you be at the unemployment office seeking benefits? Or are you waiting in line waiting for your number to be called?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
You skirted the question. I'll ask again. Why is it wrong to attack someone's features?

Because it's mean spirited? Because they're "stuck like that" after you make fun of them? As if they wouldn't be had you not made fun of them?

Please. Try to be specific. Why is it wrong to verbally attack someone based on their race? I'm not asking for a comparison yet. I'm asking you to specifically answer that question.
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It's dehumanizing because it takes arguably their most integral quality (genetics) and turns it against them. It literally ****s on their identity.

Maybe YOU should attempt to elaborate on your position since it is far more obscure a view than mine. Then, I can take every single one of your replies, vaguely demand more specifics, and then we can both look like inherently contrarian dopes!
 
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AirVol said:
Shouldn’t you be at the unemployment office seeking benefits? Or are you waiting in line waiting for your number to be called?
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Nah, I'm on what I call micro retirement. Nashville has about two dozen concepts coming this way in August-November and I'm taking time off until they need consulting.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
That is not the case. I personally, and most of society, finds racism to be deplorable. In my opinion, your position, though you think otherwise, seeks to minimize racist actions by stating that it is no different than any other hurtful actions. Calling someone a jerk, in the minds of most, is not as bad as calling someone a n***er. I know the intent matters and let's assume ill intent on both. I still believe that one is clearly worse than the other.

It has zero to do with how I perceive myself or others and painting others as worse than me. While I know you hate them, there are societal norms and pretending those are invalid doesn't make them any less present.
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So, you want to skirt the question as well? And skirt the point?

My point is that to base the "badness" of racism on society is to not make it "badder", but to make it "less bad" since societal norms can make racism perfectly acceptable just as easily as they make it "worse" than calling a woman a C-word, or a white person a "cracker".

So, are you and Dink comfortable saying that racism isn't actually, literally "wrong"? As in actually wrong. Seriously, morally wrong.
 
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Giving Rosanne a pass on not knowing Valerie Jarrett's race might be forgivable if she hadn't made a comparable racial slur about Susan Rice. Is she also saying she didn't know Susan Rice was African American? Good luck with that stretch. Face the facts. The nasty hag is a racist POS.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
So, you want to skirt the question as well? And skirt the point?

My point is that to base the "badness" of racism on society is to not make it "badder", but to make it "less bad" since societal norms can make racism perfectly acceptable just as easily as they make it "worse" than calling a woman a C-word, or a white person a "cracker".

So, are you and Dink comfortable saying that racism isn't actually, literally "wrong"? As in actually wrong. Seriously, morally wrong.
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I am not prepared venture into the rabbit hole and parallel universe in which you like to argue. It may be a subjective belief, but in today's society racism is wrong. Society didn't consider it wrong until fairly recently, but it has been recognized as inherently unfair and wrong.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
It's dehumanizing because it takes arguably their most integral quality (genetics) and turns it against them. It literally ****s on their identity.

Maybe YOU should attempt to elaborate on your position since it is far more obscure a view than mine. Then, I can take every single one of your replies, vaguely demand more specifics, and then we can both look like inherently contrarian dopes!
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I've been very specific about my beliefs and will be happy to answer any question you may have. At its most general, I believe that it's always wrong to attack others.

And you still didn't answer exactly what's "wrong" with racist comments. You're using vague descriptions like "turns [genetic qualities] against them" and "***s on their identities".

Does it boil down to using words to harm an innocent? If so, we'll get down to whatever it in in your mind that makes it more OK to harm one innocent than another.

Would you broaden that and fill me in on exactly why it's OK to intend to harm one innocent and not another? Or "more" ok, if you want that distinction.

And your verbal attacks are noted. I think you're wrong to do it, but I forgive you.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
So, you want to skirt the question as well? And skirt the point?

My point is that to base the "badness" of racism on society is to not make it "badder", but to make it "less bad" since societal norms can make racism perfectly acceptable just as easily as they make it "worse" than calling a woman a C-word, or a white person a "cracker".

So, are you and Dink comfortable saying that racism isn't actually, literally "wrong"? As in actually wrong. Seriously, morally wrong.
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I gave you specifics, but you refused to accept. It cracks me up that huff is known for arguing a lot but you are willing to debate semantics (disguised as morals lol) with a ****ing tree all damn day.
 
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