Trump on track for Supreme Court Victory on Census Citizenship Question

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utvolpj said:
Yes murdering tens of thousands of men, women and children to save one life would have stopped it.

When you have to go that far to prove a point was it really that strong in the first place? But keep fighting the good fight (days later)
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You were the one that played the absolute card. And only Sith deal in absolutes.

I answered your question. Even said I wasnt for it, but that it would work.

Dont get whiny because there was any easy answer to your question.
 
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LouderVol said:
You were the one that played the absolute card. And only Sith deal in absolutes.

I answered your question. Even said I wasnt for it, but that it would work.

Dont get whiny because there was any easy answer to your question.
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You're right. Murder everyone crossing the border would prevent some deaths in the US.

You win with that one. Well played. Grab a trophy on the way out
 
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LouderVol said:
Instead of owning a bad argument, deflect, deflect deflect.
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I finished this last week. You seem upset I'm not willing to revisit just for you.

I give you the win. Murdering tens of thousands would have saved the one life you're all so concerned about. Talk to your rep about getting it to law
 
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utvolpj said:
I finished this last week. You seem upset I'm not willing to revisit just for you.

I give you the win. Murdering tens of thousands would have saved the one life you're all so concerned about. Talk to your rep about getting it to law
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You seem upset that you haven't come up with a real argument in that week you had.

You continue to make false arguments, even after I have told you I personally dont agree with the answer you asked for. But you need to make it seem like I want to murder people so you dont have to address the flaws in your argument.
 
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tumscalcium said:
Guns aren’t people. For Christ sake we’ve been over this a thousand times.
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Try some critical thinking

If a black/white/Asian/etc person kills my child should I blame then all?

It was a useless heartstring hypothetical. For a party that screams personal responsibility you sure do like to attribute the actions of one to the entire group. Why is that?
 
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utvolpj said:
Try some critical thinking

If a black/white/Asian/etc person kills my child should I blame then all?

It was a useless heartstring hypothetical. For a party that screams personal responsibility you sure do like to attribute the actions of one to the entire group. Why is that?
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He applied critical thinking you didn’t. Holding an implement accountable for the actions of a person is stupid.
 
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utvolpj said:
Try some critical thinking

If a black/white/Asian/etc person kills my child should I blame then all?

It was a useless heartstring hypothetical. For a party that screams personal responsibility you sure do like to attribute the actions of one to the entire group. Why is that?
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Not all people of all races are the same.

Guns are inanimate objects that are used by people for various purposes ranging from good to evil. People decide that. People are always the issue. We have enough terrible people in this country without you trying to add as many terrible people as possible.
 
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utvolpj said:
Then address the next part of the post you've quoted. Or continue to ignore it. Whatever
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Your next part was irrelevant PJ within the context of this discussion. You can’t hold all people of a race/ethnicity accountable for the acts of an individual. However you can’t imply any such accountability to an inanimate object like a gun whatsoever. It really is apples to oranges I think for the case you presented.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Your next part was irrelevant PJ within the context of this discussion. You can’t hold all people of a race/ethnicity accountable for the acts of an individual. However you can’t imply any such accountability to an inanimate object like a gun whatsoever. It really is apples to oranges I think for the case you presented.
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Actually it is applied all the time when discussing immigration. Tums likes to refer to them all as "trash" like the classy guy he is. Plenty of other examples you conveniently ignore too.
 
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utvolpj said:
please link where I've ever espoused that idea
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Whoa, are you actually telling me you’ve had a change of heart and realize not all of those south of the border are great people? Don’t tell that one family you love so much about your change.
 
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utvolpj said:
Actually it is applied all the time when discussing immigration. Tums likes to refer to them all as "trash" like the classy guy he is. Plenty of other examples you conveniently ignore too.
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*Most. Not all. I’d love to see the non-trash ones stay there and work to make their culture and their country a better place, which helps everyone out.

As it is now, Mexicans don’t want to live in Mexico. Hondurans don’t want to live in Honduras, etc.
 
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utvolpj said:
Actually it is applied all the time when discussing immigration. Tums likes to refer to them all as "trash" like the classy guy he is. Plenty of other examples you conveniently ignore too.
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Within that regard PJ I just refer to them as what they are, illegal immigrants. I do not however associate them with legal immigrants.

Nor does this statement support an analogy of holding an inanimate object accountable for the actions of a person like you were making either.
 
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tumscalcium said:
*Most. Not all. I’d love to see the non-trash ones stay there and work to make their culture and their country a better place, which helps everyone out.

As it is now, Mexicans don’t want to live in Mexico. Hondurans don’t want to live in Honduras, etc.
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But they want us to look more like the countries they left
 
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tumscalcium said:
Whoa, are you actually telling me you’ve had a change of heart and realize not all of those south of the border are great people? Don’t tell that one family you love so much about your change.
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No I'm not dumb enough to call everyone traveling North terrible people or trash. I also understand the roles they play in our economy.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Within that regard PJ I just refer to them as what they are, illegal immigrants. I do not however associate them with legal immigrants.

Nor does this statement support an analogy of holding an inanimate object accountable for the actions of a person like you were making either.
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You still see and refer to them as one group. Probably easier for you to do it that way. We understand
 
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utvolpj said:
You still see and refer to them as one group. Probably easier for you to do it that way. We understand
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Ok PJ I am making it a point to keep it civil here. Stop putting words in my mouth on this discussion there is no need for you to go there

You made a horrible comparison on the gun analogy. Tums called you on it and he was right, you cannot hold an inanimate object accountable for the actions of the person wielding it. And now your deflecting to this weak immigrant narrative to deflect attention from your faux pax. Just move on from the poor analogy PJ.
 
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utvolpj said:
You still see and refer to them as one group. Probably easier for you to do it that way. We understand
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Has nothing to do with your implied racism, they are exactly that, ILLEGAL aliens, peoples, border crossers, whatever term you want, the only term you can't escape is.....illegal. They are not following our laws, respecting our laws, respecting what is asked of them to become a citizen. They are a group of illegal border crossing and jumping individuals.
 
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