Trump on track for Supreme Court Victory on Census Citizenship Question

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NorthDallas40 said:
Ok PJ I am making it a point to keep it civil here. Stop putting words in my mouth on this discussion there is no need for you to go there

You made a horrible comparison on the gun analogy. Tums called you on it and he was right, you cannot hold an inanimate object accountable for the actions of the person wielding it. And now your deflecting to this weak immigrant narrative to deflect attention from your faux pax. Just move on from the poor analogy PJ.
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Since you didn't know how to respond to the gun one I added another yet you continue to ignore it. Maybe Tums is amused but you're getting boring with the same post over and over
 
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tennvols77 said:
Has nothing to do with your implied racism, they are exactly that, ILLEGAL aliens, peoples, border crossers, whatever term you want, the only term you can't escape is.....illegal. They are not following our laws, respecting our laws, respecting what is asked of them to become a citizen. They are a group of illegal border crossing and jumping individuals.
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That's because our laws suck and do not serve the needs of the country. Who was harmed by the act of someone walking across the border or overstaying their Visa? Whose rights did that violate?
 
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utvolpj said:
Since you didn't know how to respond to the gun one I added another yet you continue to ignore it. Maybe Tums is amused but you're getting boring with the same post over and over
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Once again I’m not going to take the bait. I don’t need to. I’ve posted exactly why your analogy was wrong PJ. You’re just not going to acknowledge it while you’re also trying to deflect the discussion. Oh well 🤷‍♂️
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Once again I’m not going to take the bait. I don’t need to. I’ve posted exactly why your analogy was wrong PJ. You’re just not going to acknowledge it while you’re also trying to deflect the discussion. Oh well 🤷‍♂️
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There are multiple yet you continue to only address one. Who's deflecting?
 
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utvolpj said:
There are multiple yet you continue to only address one. Who's deflecting?
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NorthDallas40 said:
Your next part was irrelevant PJ within the context of this discussion. You can’t hold all people of a race/ethnicity accountable for the acts of an individual. However you can’t imply any such accountability to an inanimate object like a gun whatsoever. It really is apples to oranges I think for the case you presented.
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🤷‍♂️
 
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utvolpj said:
That's because our laws suck and do not serve the needs of the country. Who was harmed by the act of someone walking across the border or overstaying their Visa? Whose rights did that violate?
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The ones and their families who have been murdered, assaulted, raped or molested. Also hurting the American worker by being willing to accept $6/hr to work
 
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volfanjustin said:
The ones and their families who have been murdered, assaulted, raped or molested. Also hurting the American worker by being willing to accept $6/hr to work
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No they were hurt by the actual crime committed (murder, rape, assault, etc). The act of crossing the border harmed no one

The min wage should be abolished so they're doing us a favor. Why pay $15 for a job worth $6?
 
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utvolpj said:
No they were hurt by the actual crime committed (murder, rape, assault, etc). The act of crossing the border harmed no one

The min wage should be abolished so they're doing us a favor. Why pay $15 for a job worth $6?
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Agreed, But, it is illegal, and until Congress gets off their butts too change anything, it's the law.
 
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tennvols77 said:
Agreed, But, it is illegal, and until Congress gets off their butts too change anything, it's the law.
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Which is why we should be pushing for that instead of the Trump border monument. Reform will affect immigration more than a wall ever could
 
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utvolpj said:
Actually it is applied all the time when discussing immigration. Tums likes to refer to them all as "trash" like the classy guy he is. Plenty of other examples you conveniently ignore too.
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No, not "immigration". Its the illegal part. Why do you always leave off that part? Personally I dont care where they are from, as long as they get here legally.
 
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utvolpj said:
Which is why we should be pushing for that instead of the Trump border monument. Reform will affect immigration more than a wall ever could
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That's kind of the point, and reason Trump is having to act. Congress, both sides, more so in my opinion the D, aren't doing anything but playing political theater and games.

If I'm Trump I enact immediately, a halt to all immigration until first and most importantly: the courts are back to minimally manageable docket and second, the majority of illegals currently here have to re-register and be able to be reached and in contact with. If they falter, they will be put on deport list.

I also tell Congress, that until these minimal requirements are met the border and all visas and immigration is shut down. By adding the visa's companies will begin complain to their corrupt official to do something.

Due to the inability of Congress to do anything, they will be told they have 6 months to present in depth and comprehensive ideas and solutions that he will review, and then meet with congress to give his idea of what all those ideas should be for putting up legislation to vote.

This time will allow for all of the overcrowding and detainment centers to be hopefully emptied, and ready for the new influx when the border reopens.
 
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LouderVol said:
No, not "immigration". Its the illegal part. Why do you always leave off that part? Personally I dont care where they are from, as long as they get here legally.
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Yet the process is broken for them to get here legally. That's kind of an important part
 
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tennvols77 said:
That's kind of the point, and reason Trump is having to act..
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What is he doing besides screaming for his monument and threatening the absolutely ridiculous act of closing the border completely? There is no real plan besides those things and then scream about Democrats so the base believes he's being thwarted in all his efforts. He had Congress for 2 years and did nothing. Quit holding him up as a martyr and realize he is no more interested in immigration reform than every other politician. He uses it for election purposes
 
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Closing the border stops the bleeding, gives time to get our sh** together and get back to some level of management and standing, and should allow for Congress to do it's job.

He ain't no martyr, he is trying to solve a problem no one seemingly cares enough to want to do, or care enough to even follow the fu***** laws on the books.

That's your opinion he is doing it for election purposes, but, if it is true then that should tell you more Americans have problems with what is going on currently concerning the border.

Congress under the first 2 years did put up legislation and DACA for Dem's, who all of a sudden didn't want to do that. Cuts both ways.
 
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utvolpj said:
What is he doing besides screaming for his monument and threatening the absolutely ridiculous act of closing the border completely? There is no real plan besides those things and then scream about Democrats so the base believes he's being thwarted in all his efforts. He had Congress for 2 years and did nothing. Quit holding him up as a martyr and realize he is no more interested in immigration reform than every other politician. He uses it for election purposes
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A good portion of Rs in Congress don't want closed borders either so let's no act like he had 60 votes in the Senate ready to close the border and he passed on it, they had 51 and weak Senators like McCain, Flake, Collins etc are like dems, they want wide open borders
 
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volfanjustin said:
A good portion of Rs in Congress don't want closed borders either so let's no act like he had 60 votes in the Senate ready to close the border and he passed on it, they had 51 and weak Senators like McCain, Flake, Collins etc are like dems, they want wide open borders
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What does that matter when taking about effort? He didn't even try to get those on his team to push some reform and now blames Dems. It's a show and he has no interest in any real reform besides the wall. He likes buildings with his name not things like laws that can get changed
 
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utvolpj said:
No I'm not dumb enough to call everyone traveling North terrible people or trash. I also understand the roles they play in our economy.
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When did I call everyone traveling north these things? There are some decent ones. I have certainly used generalities because it’s obnoxious to explain it to the simple-minded every time. They’re certainly not all great people. I have said it would be nice if the decent people stayed and made their own place better which is best for everyone.

But as it turns out, very few of them care about their own culture or countries. So they come here to a better place. You should ask your one family that you’re so proud of why they hate their own people and stopped wanting to be around them. Ask them what makes their culture and their countries suck so bad that they wanted to leave. See if they’re as stupid as the Dems who vote in terrible people only to escape their policies and then continue to vote for the terrible people. It’ll be a good homework assignment for you.
 
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utvolpj said:
Yet the process is broken for them to get here legally. That's kind of an important part
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I couldn't careless about the process for them to get here, it should be long and expensive. Immigration is not there, in large part to help some poor Mexican and their 7 kids, it's there in case this country needs more of a certain trade we can bring in immigrants to fill the void.
 
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utvolpj said:
Try some critical thinking

If a black/white/Asian/etc person kills my child should I blame then all?

It was a useless heartstring hypothetical. For a party that screams personal responsibility you sure do like to attribute the actions of one to the entire group. Why is that?
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Are any of those people here illegally? If so they fall into the discussion. If not you simply have deflected again.
 
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utvolpj said:
Yet the process is broken for them to get here legally. That's kind of an important part
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How is it broken? Just because you decide to do something illegally does that mean that the process is broken that you circumvent? Can I just claim that speed laws are broken and drive however fast I want to?
 
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utvolpj said:
Yet the process is broken for them to get here legally. That's kind of an important part
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Broken how? The broken part is they can break the law and still get in.

Just because something is difficult or takes too long doesnt mean you get to break the law to get around it.

A better solution is to actually fix the problem. Not just ignore it.
 
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