Trump promises and proposals tracking thread.

[LouderVol]

I understand what your saying...so for companies what is the incentive to have a BPA with the government of there is no guarantee it's going to be used??? Also how many of these BPAs do not get used??? And I know the website says there is no minimum required in the BPA but it makes no sense for a company to compete and win an unguaranteed contract. Would you place a order at mcdondalds have them make the food but then go to Arby's, there would be incentive without a guarantee..

its not placing an order, its more like the companies letting the government know they can do the work. its kinda of a waiting list, and also just a competitive bid. only way to ever get the job is to go after it through the BPA process.

and by having a BPA the prices are fixed for the government, and when they need an item they don't have to go through lengthy process of getting the purchase approved if its via a BPA deal.

I don't know if it was the BPA process, or another process, but when my old company finally got a federal contract there were a lot of "unusual" processes. the first time we applied we knew we weren't going to get the job. but we had to get our foot in the door. that let us establish that we could do the job, second year we knew we still wouldn't have a chance to get it, but knew we would make it further because we now showed for 2 years that we qualified. it wasn't until the 4th that we actually got the contract, it seemed like you had to build up "equity" with whoever was reviewing the contracts by applying, before you would get selected. I think the process we went through was a bit different, because we were a service and not a good, and also we won a "prime" contract, essentially giving us the right of refusal for any job they issued. any we didn't take would fall into the secondary bucket.

 

[LouderVol]

Unfortunately that's not true and I've seen it first hand.

What actually happens is that the IRS agents, with limited resources, can't keep up with the expensive lawyers. That, and the ultra wealthy get cover from their buddies at high levels of government. IRS resources are limited by design to facilitate the aforementioned outcome.

better thing to do would be to simplify the tax code. make it easier for the IRS to do their job, and give the rich lawyers less things to argue. funny part is, even the "eat the rich" Democrats make sure they carve out more and more ways for the rich to avoid paying taxes.

 

[whodeycin85]

its not placing an order, its more like the companies letting the government know they can do the work. its kinda of a waiting list, and also just a competitive bid. only way to ever get the job is to go after it through the BPA process.

and by having a BPA the prices are fixed for the government, and when they need an item they don't have to go through lengthy process of getting the purchase approved if its via a BPA deal.

I don't know if it was the BPA process, or another process, but when my old company finally got a federal contract there were a lot of "unusual" processes. the first time we applied we knew we weren't going to get the job. but we had to get our foot in the door. that let us establish that we could do the job, second year we knew we still wouldn't have a chance to get it, but knew we would make it further because we now showed for 2 years that we qualified. it wasn't until the 4th that we actually got the contract, it seemed like you had to build up "equity" with whoever was reviewing the contracts by applying, before you would get selected. I think the process we went through was a bit different, because we were a service and not a good, and also we won a "prime" contract, essentially giving us the right of refusal for any job they issued. any we didn't take would fall into the secondary bucket.

It makes sense to a degree for me. It just seems almost of time investment for companies not to get a guarantee...the other thing for me on BPAs.each while each doesn't have a minimum purchase etc ..but I'm unable to find the details of the budgets for the BPAs...I'm not fan of the way doge is calculating the saving for those BPAs...I'd like to see more detail on there numbers..it almost as if they are treating the savings as the budget amount being cut because the BPAs were cancels...it disingenuous without more detail and a balanced budget

 

[StarRaider]

 

[utvolpj]

How did Trump affect this?

 

[C-south]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Keep believing that figure is legitimate ..... If you believe that, you would literally believe anything Trump and Musk tell you. This is a cult. There is no other logical explanation for this complete suspension of disbelief. It's irrational. Donald Trump could not appeal to anything but an uneducated and simple-minded base.

I thought you quit drinking

 

[hndog609]

How did Trump affect this?

If the "other side" makes a point of something when it works for "your side" you make the counterpoint when it works for you. Rinse/repeat both sides.

 

[McDad]

How did Trump affect this?

Easy.
Trump enrages millions of people.
Their anger makes them drink.
They drink to excess
Wake up hungover.
No appetite.
No breakfast.
No need to buy more eggs.
Demands drops.
Prices follow.
Trump lowers price of eggs.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Howard Stern movie? Yes. Paul Giamatti is great in that movie. Straight to VHS? I have no idea. I didn't see it in the movie theater though.

I don't find anything about Howard Stern funny.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

Does this change the messaging by the left? Are we still saying pay your fair share?

So 90% of the population isnt going to have to pay income tax? LOL

 

[Majors]

So 90% of the population isnt going to have to pay income tax? LOL

Pay your fair share!

 

[LouderVol]

It makes sense to a degree for me. It just seems almost of time investment for companies not to get a guarantee...the other thing for me on BPAs.each while each doesn't have a minimum purchase etc ..but I'm unable to find the details of the budgets for the BPAs...I'm not fan of the way doge is calculating the saving for those BPAs...I'd like to see more detail on there numbers..it almost as if they are treating the savings as the budget amount being cut because the BPAs were cancels...it disingenuous without more detail and a balanced budget

the feds are bit like Walmart. Great if you can get in with them, but if they are the only ones you sell to you are going to get in trouble fast.

On the service side, there is no way you can't make money on their deals.

 

[LouderVol]

So 90% of the population isnt going to have to pay income tax? LOL

40% already doesn't.

*corrected to 40%

 

[Sandman 423]

So 90% of the population isnt going to have to pay income tax? LOL

He is probably planning to make up the difference with tariffs. Something that is odd to me though is how y'all say he is all about tax cuts for billionaires, but don't support him trying to remove taxes on tips, overtime and income of blue collar folks. Why?

 

[BowlBrother85]

Easy.
Trump enrages millions of people.
Their anger makes them drink.
They drink to excess
Wake up hungover.
No appetite.
No breakfast.
No need to buy more eggs.
Demands drops.
Prices follow.
Trump lowers price of eggs.

Off topic .... but 2 eggs over easy was my go-to hangover cure.

 

[Gandalf]

Easy.
Trump enrages millions of people.
Their anger makes them drink.
They drink to excess
Wake up hungover.
No appetite.
No breakfast.
No need to buy more eggs.
Demands drops.
Prices follow.
Trump lowers price of eggs.

The real reason is much more simple. Trump makes things Excellent! Eggsellent! = Trump makes Eggs sell during Lent.

Trump is like the easter bunny of patriot promises.

 

[BowlBrother85]

the feds are bit like Walmart. Great if you can get in with them, but if they are the only ones you sell to you are going to get in trouble fast.

On the service side, there is no way you can't make money on their deals.

Are you familiar with the notorious Corley twins of C&D Distributors infamy?

Woman Defrauds Defense Dept Out Of $20M

Contractor Faces Up To 40 Years In Prison For Exploiting Government Automated Payment System

www.cbsnews.com

 

[BowlBrother85]

I thought you quit drinking

I have, but didn't have much of a choice.

If you trust the savings figures that the DOGE is claiming, then you really would believe anything that the Trump Administration peddles. That is cultish.

One of the core features of the Trump brand, which he even admitted in "The Art of the Deal," is a refusal to publicly acknowledge when he has been wrong about something and when mistakes have been made. I don't believe that the DOGE set out to lie about how much money they were saving American taxpayers with these massive cuts. They just didn't know what blanket purchase agreements were, and they stubbornly won't admit to their mistake and correct it.

 

[C-south]

I have, but didn't have much of a choice.

If you trust the savings figures that the DOGE is claiming, then you really would believe anything that the Trump Administration peddles. That is cultish.

One of the core features of the Trump brand, which he even admitted in "The Art of the Deal," is a refusal to publicly acknowledge when he has been wrong about something and when mistakes have been made. I don't believe that the DOGE set out to lie about how much money they were saving American taxpayers with these massive cuts. They just didn't know what blanket purchase agreements were, and they stubbornly won't admit to their mistake and correct it.

I have no clue on what savings figures they have claimed only some of the absurd programs they’ve eliminated.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I have no clue on what savings figures they have claimed only some of the absurd programs they’ve eliminated.

Do you know anything about the people who are working under Elon Musk at the DOGE?

List of what DOGE aims to cut from U.S. government so far

Trump and DOGE head Elon Musk are looking to make widespread cuts to federal agencies in the first month of Trump's presidency.

www.newsweek.com

Does this sound like a staff of people who should be responsible for restructuring the federal government of the United States? It sounds like Katie from Psych 101 is getting to tell some of our veterans to go pound sand.

From the above article :

Who Is On The DOGE Team?

"DOGE is headed by Tesla executive Elon Musk, and much of the team includes young college students.

When advertising the positions available at DOGE, Musk said applicants should expect 80-plus-hour work weeks and no salaries.

'This will be tedious work, make lots of enemies & compensation is zero,' Musk wrote on X, formerly Twitter, which he owns."

 

[StarRaider]

Easy.
Trump enrages millions of people.
Their anger makes them drink.
They drink to excess
Wake up hungover.
No appetite.
No breakfast.
No need to buy more eggs.
Demands drops.
Prices follow.
Trump lowers price of eggs.

I was going to go with if an administration stops culling the hens and tada we have eggs again... but I am good with your theory

 

[Orange_Crush]

Do you know anything about the people who are working under Elon Musk at the DOGE?

List of what DOGE aims to cut from U.S. government so far

Trump and DOGE head Elon Musk are looking to make widespread cuts to federal agencies in the first month of Trump's presidency.

www.newsweek.com

Does this sound like a staff of people who should be responsible for restructuring the federal government of the United States? It sounds like Katie from Psych 101 is getting to tell some of our veterans to go pound sand.

From the above article :

Who Is On The DOGE Team?

"DOGE is headed by Tesla executive Elon Musk, and much of the team includes young college students.

When advertising the positions available at DOGE, Musk said applicants should expect 80-plus-hour work weeks and no salaries.

'This will be tedious work, make lots of enemies & compensation is zero,' Musk wrote on X, formerly Twitter, which he owns."

Do you have any idea how things like this work? You think this is Whataburger?

An executive has data analysis done. Based on that data analysis, they make executive decisions, usually according to the vision or specific instructions of more senior level executives. Having made a decision, they communicate those decisions.

The people doing the data analysis are non-executive technical analysts that merely supply the data by which the decisions are made. They are not making or even communicating the decisions.

 

[ButchPlz]

Do you have any idea how things like this work? You think this is Whataburger?

An executive has data analysis done. Based on that data analysis, they make executive decisions, usually according to the vision or specific instructions of more senior level executives. Having made a decision, they communicate those decisions.

The people doing the data analysis are non-executive technical analysts that merely supply the data by which the decisions are made. They are not making or even communicating the decisions.

One thing to not crap on DOGE for is having young people doing analysis. The entire government (and consultant) world runs on young analysts.

The thing to crap on them for is that the people actually making decisions either don't understand the data handed to them or don't know what to ask for, leading to the clownshow that is still continuing of cutting, rehiring, cutting, rehiring, de-funding, re-funding, de-funding, lying about savings, and on and on.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Do you have any idea how things like this work? You think this is Whataburger?

An executive has data analysis done. Based on that data analysis, they make executive decisions, usually according to the vision or specific instructions of more senior level executives. Having made a decision, they communicate those decisions.

The people doing the data analysis are non-executive technical analysts that merely supply the data by which the decisions are made. They are not making or even communicating the decisions.

My post wasn't only focused on their youth, as your post suggests.

I don't believe that highly skilled analysts are going to have any interest in the position that Elon Musk described as, "This will be tedious work, make lots of enemies and compensation is zero." Musk also told applicants to expect 80 hour work weeks.

Could I be wrong in that assessment? Possibly, but judging by some of the obvious mistakes that the DOGE is making .... I don't think that I am wrong.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

He is probably planning to make up the difference with tariffs. Something that is odd to me though is how y'all say he is all about tax cuts for billionaires, but don't support him trying to remove taxes on tips, overtime and income of blue collar folks. Why?

Because he has no plan to pay for any of it, and starting a trade war with our allies isn't going to do it either. And also because we know it's never going to happen.