Trump Secret police

[Franklin Pierce]

Then Obama should have been impeached over Fast and Furious and the murder without due process of an American citizen via drone strike. Among other things. The buck may stop with POTUS, but he still finds a way to pass it on.

FAST AND FURIOUS resulted in the Murder of an American citizen, yet nobody in the Obama regime went to jail.

 

[n_huffhines]

Linked to by a constitutional scholar (Ilya Somin) that I follow

What the Heck Are Federal Law Enforcement Officers Doing in Portland?

 

[Electric Orange]

 

[Orange_Crush]

Linked to by a constitutional scholar (Ilya Somin) that I follow

What the Heck Are Federal Law Enforcement Officers Doing in Portland?

OK. And?

 

[Carl Pickens]

Because it's all about grinding axes and not about good, lawful govt. Amiright?

I guess it’s about letting a bunch of urchins take over the city. If thats the way they want it..., fine.... but don’t come asking for federal money when the carnage is over.

 

[Carl Pickens]

No. They shouldn't. That city is full of taxpayers and business owners that deserve better than that. The taxpayers should get together with torches and pitchforks and run their representation, that is hanging them out to dry for political purposes, out of the state.

That’s probably what would happen if the feds do what the city govt is telling them to do. They should already be doing that IMO.... but maybe there’s more idiots out there than I realize.

 

[PointGuard]

I think you are funny . I laugh at you and how gullible you are . Tell us again how Fuhrur Trump is sending in the feds to snatch kids off the streets to fulfill his evil / diabolical plan to take over Portland and set up his headquarters to take over the world .

Did you stop watching Fox News? The Director of HS was on saying he wasn’t leaving no matter the demand of the Governor and affected Mayors because he wasn’t finished with the “task”. The task was local politicians wouldn’t do the job in their own state so he would clean up their mess

This is wrong on so may fronts

 

[Electric Orange]

 

[Orange_Crush]

Trump's descent into full blown wannabe authoritarian dictator continues with another assault upon or constitutional rights and freedom. In yet another un-American and unconstitutional act is kidnapping citizens on American streets. Sickening.

So, are you ready to step back in and support what you've said?

Do you have proof that this is illegal and unconstitutional?

The problem with your post is that that it's literally completely indefensible if we're rationally discussing instead of emoting with the appearance of rationality.

You'll either need to argue that the federal gov't never has the jurisdiction to intervene, and you'll have a hard time doing that from the Constitution.

Or you'll need to give proof of every conceivable investigative possibility.

In other words, you'll have to offer proof of everything there is to be known about the individual cases that preceded the arrests, and underlying federal investigations into the domestic disturbances across the country. You'll have to positively disprove that these violent eruptions across the country aren't centrally planned...which would make them a Federal issue, and/or foreign sponsored...which makes them a federal issue.

Are you ready to positively disprove those possibilities?

If not, you look pretty foolish, tossing that kind of hyperventilation around.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Did you stop watching Fox News? The Director of HS was on saying he wasn’t leaving no matter the demand of the Governor and affected Mayors because he wasn’t finished with the “task”. The task was local politicians wouldn’t do the job in their own state so he would clean up their mess

This is wrong on so may fronts

So, you're ready to positively prove that the Feds have no jurisdiction in this?

 

[hjeagle1vol]

I'm sure there will be just as much faux outrage over this unconstitutional detainment...

 

[PointGuard]

That’s probably what would happen if the feds do what the city govt is telling them to do. They should already be doing that IMO.... but maybe there’s more idiots out there than I realize.

Where do you think Federal money comes from?

 

[Orange_Crush]

Where do you think Federal money comes from?

Every state. Why should the other states have to pay to rebuild a state because they decided to give stand-down orders and let anarchists burn their cities to the ground?

If you decide to refuse termite treatments, you don't have the right to force me to rebuild your house, just because we live in the same neighborhood.

 

[PointGuard]

So, you're ready to positively prove that the Feds have no jurisdiction in this?

Changing your spots, Leopard? You wanted less federal government, right? The Feds can do what Trump had them do in DC because DC is not a state. Should be but it isn’t for now. Trump has no business sending HS in there. It’s a local issue. Whether they’re managing it correctly or incorrectly isn’t the issue. It’s a State matter. 50 United Sates

Trump needs to do his job. Managing the COVID 19 mess is his job. He simply can’t do it. He is incompetent

He is preaching law and order to people who don’t recognize what the true definition of law and order is not

 

[GoDucks349]

Quite the sidestep. When you don't have facts to bring, by all means, break out the boogey man and fall back unfounded conspiracy theories.

So, back on topic...

Do you know the names, charges and cause for the arrests? Do you have any facts about the investigations that led to those arrests?

Do you have any facts about the DOJ/Barr's investigations into the possible coordination of violence and unrest across the country, and whether those domestic disturbances were foreign sponsored? Barr has alluded to both, and if either is true, it's a Federal issue.

Your boogey-man ad hominems aside, can you give insight to any of that? I mean, you were talking about federal jurisdiction at one point.

Until it actually came to knowing whether they have jurisdiction, of course.

As to your first two questions.... I've answered those... As in go get the info yourself. I'd be a fool to come on here in the era of fake news and try and provide "facts". Facts have been so bastardized that it's really more about "opinions" than facts these days. So just go find all the info you can find from as many objective and non-objective sites that you can and using your best judgement develop an original and personal perspective on the situation. It's not my job to try and change your mind. It is the individual, each and everyone of us, that needs to develop our own judgement of the individual situations that arise.

As to the DOJ/Barr investigations you referenced, here you sight "alluded" to some facts of an investigation.So since you feel facts are so important, why do you all of a sudden feel alluding to something makes it fact? You see that you're wanting it both ways. I know I didn't say this as clearly as I should, but I suspect you're a reasonably well educated person, so I'm sure you'll get the gist of it.

From my reading of various news reports, the mandate implied and sighted seems to be that the Feds were sent to protect Federal property and that was the jurisdiction they were to adhere to. Whether that's completely accurate or not I'm not sure. However, the apparent arrests by the Feds took place off of Federal property when they went beyond the mandated jurisdiction for their presents in Portland. That's the best understanding I have of the situation.

I loved the boogey-man ad hominems comment LOL.

Time to sign out for awhile... Duplicate Bridge Tournament awaits....

 

[Purple Tiger]

Wiki is publicly sourced. It doesn't necessarily establish fact.

Can you find a better list or do you prefer to bitch about the one I posted?

 

[Purple Tiger]

If you add up all the incidents reported on Wikipedia over the last 50 years or so in pales in comparison to the level of violence caused by inner city gangs over that same time period. It’s almost laughable that you and the BLM movement believes White Nationalism is even remotely a threat to your freedom or safety. In fact over half of the victims in those attacks were white. Keep up the imaginary fight! Don Quixote has a sidekick

Go find that stat that backs up your declaration. Your opinion on things means ca-ca to me.

 

[Purple Tiger]

Using Wikipedia as a source for a debate is beyond low class. Why do you think it cannot nor should not ever be considered a reliable source when writing a paper?

It depends upon the subject. Wikipedia is decently solid with historical information. Besides, I am not writing an academic paper. I'm responding to you, which means Wikipedia is more than adequate to settle your hash.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Changing your spots, Leopard? You wanted less federal government, right? The Feds can do what Trump had them do in DC because DC is not a state. Should be but it isn’t for now. Trump has no business sending HS in there. It’s a local issue. Whether they’re managing it correctly or incorrectly isn’t the issue. It’s a State matter. 50 United Sates

Trump needs to do his job. Managing the COVID 19 mess is his job. He simply can’t do it. He is incompetent

He is preaching law and order to people who don’t recognize what the true definition of law and order is not

So, you really have nothing to bring to the table except your screeching. No facts. Just what you wish the world was like.You claimed it's "wrong". I guess maybe we just needed you to define your terms. Apparently to you, "wrong" just means "whaaaaa!" as opposed to legally or Constitutionally improper.

And if you'd followed my argument in this thread you'd have heard me say that the best solution would have been for the Federal gov't to not have needed to become involved. So, your distraction about leopards is misplaced.

 

[GordonC]

Using Wikipedia as a source for a debate is beyond low class. Why do you think it cannot nor should not ever be considered a reliable source when writing a paper?

It's an encyclopedia, and by definition encyclopedias aren't designed to provide specific information on a subject.
However, this is not the Wikipedia of ten years ago. Most sources contain bias (Wikipedia is no different), but the content there is reviewed a lot more extensively than it used to be. Plus, Wikipedia contains citations, for what that's worth.
It still shouldn't be used as a source in academic writing, agreed, but neither should any encyclopedia, unless it's a specialized encyclopedia.

 

[VolStrom]

I think the feds need to come to an agreement with the skinny jeans wearing slugs that the feds will give them free stuff if they won't mess with the federal courthouse. Oh wait that's where the little punks are getting their money, from closed down AppleBees and the gubment is paying them and extra $600/week to go out and protest how much they hate the USA.

 

[landscapingvol]

Linked to by a constitutional scholar (Ilya Somin) that I follow

What the Heck Are Federal Law Enforcement Officers Doing in Portland?

Quick question for you and others who support the BLM movement: which is a bigger threat to the black community/people in general and is responsible for the killing of over 47k people since 1996 or 15% of all homicides in most urban areas? If you add up all terrorist attacks in the US, except 9/11, and you blame them all on White Supremacists they have resulted in 763 deaths for an average of 15 per year. Keep clutching your pearls at the non-existent threat to humanity while ignoring real threats in the name of “wokeness”.

Measuring the Extent of Gang Problems

FastStats

 

[Orange_Crush]

As to your first two questions.... I've answered those... As in go get the info yourself. I'd be a fool to come on here in the era of fake news and try and provide "facts". Facts have been so bastardized that it's really more about "opinions" than facts these days. So just go find all the info you can find from as many objective and non-objective sites that you can and using your best judgement develop an original and personal perspective on the situation. It's not my job to try and change your mind. It is the individual, each and everyone of us, that needs to develop our own judgement of the individual situations that arise.

As to the DOJ/Barr investigations you referenced, here you sight "alluded" to some facts of an investigation.So since you feel facts are so important, why do you all of a sudden feel alluding to something makes it fact? You see that you're wanting it both ways. I know I didn't say this as clearly as I should, but I suspect you're a reasonably well educated person, so I'm sure you'll get the gist of it.

From my reading of various news reports, the mandate implied and sighted seems to be that the Feds were sent to protect Federal property and that was the jurisdiction they were to adhere to. Whether that's completely accurate or not I'm not sure. However, the apparent arrests by the Feds took place off of Federal property when they went beyond the mandated jurisdiction for their presents in Portland. That's the best understanding I have of the situation.

I loved the boogey-man ad hominems comment LOL.

Time to sign out for awhile... Duplicate Bridge Tournament awaits....

You're claiming that it's improper for the Feds to be there. I asked for facts to back that up and you reply as thought it's inappropriate for me to ask for you to back up your claims.

It's not my job to do your research for you. You made claims. You obviously can't back them up when asked to. Now you are trying to spin it. But, having made the accusations, the burden of proof is your. The problem is that you've given yourself the burden to prove a negative. It's not always impossible, but with the scope of what you'd need to know/show in this case, it's damn near impossible.

I haven't said that it's Constitutional for them to be there. I'm merely withholding my judgment until I get facts one way or the other. So, not having made any claims one way or the other, what facts should I need to go get to support my lack of assertions? What burden of proof do I have?

As such, Barr's allusion hurts your case, but not mine. The allusion is one of many possibilities that calls your claims into question. You claim it's unconstitutional and the feds have no jurisdiction. If the two mentioned parts of the investigation were true, you're wrong. Can you disprove them? If not, you're talking out of your rectum with unsupported claims.

So, without the ability to prove a lack of Constitutionality and jurisdiction, you'd be more honest to say, "I don't like this and it makes me uncomfortable". Despite what you believe, that isn't synonymous with "They have no right to be here doing what they're doing."

 

[Orange defense]

I haven’t seen any proof that Trump has sent them in there, have you?? Oh well, Portland can burn down, as of matter of fact, burn the whole city down! You libs keep on killing each other, because that’ll make us patriots live a happy life, when there isn’t any left. They’ll be dead. I don’t live there anyways!

 

[newarkvol]

Did I really just read that? That article is seriously bemoaning the fact that--and accusing our Attorney General of--enforcing the federal laws that are on the books? This is seriously the angle the left is trying to play? Really?

They're trying to convince us to feel sorry for two liberal lawyers who burned down property with Molotov Cocktails, because the federal sentences for burning down buildings with Molotov cocktails are stiff? I mean... It's not like attorneys would have known they might get into a lot of trouble for--you know--rioting and arson and stuff.

I'm in awe that things have gotten this idiotic.

I know brown people with J.D.'s tossing molotov cocktails may be emotionally triggering for you....BUT
th crux of the article was about federal judicial overreach...not about the misguided perpetrators---who should be charged by the state of NY AND then go jail where they may have the requisite time to reflect upon their misdeeds...
But you keep on reading for context OC!