Trump Secret police

[Orange_Crush]

Please just go to Oregonlive.com and you'll get a better picture of the situation from the primary local news service.

Are the names and charges of all arrests on Oregonlive.com, or is it just another board claiming unconstitutionality and lack of jurisdiction with nothing to back it up?

 

[Orange_Crush]

I went to Oregonlive and this is the headline. lol

Portland protests end Friday downtown in tandem force by federal, local police

Well, there you go.

And there were no names or charges listed there either.

 

[GoDucks349]

I went to Oregonlive and this is the headline. lol

Portland protests end Friday downtown in tandem force by federal, local police

Well, there you go.

And there were no names or charges listed there either.

 

[GoDucks349]

Oregon will sue federal police agencies, open criminal investigation into use of force



What's so important about names and charges at this point? The Oregon AG is suing fed agencies over the actions they are taking in PDX. The above was embedded in the article you posted. Feels like you've got your mind made up and don't care about taking an objective view of the situation.

 

[ajvol01]

United States

This is from Wikipedia but it seems very thorough. I don't exactly know what you can ascertain from it other than a lot of different people have been involved in domestic terrorism.

A non-exhaustive list of examples of U.S. attacks that have been referred to as domestic terrorism:

• 1969–1975 Attacks by The Weather Underground.
• 1973–1975 SLA activities and the 1974 shootout by Donald DeFreeze[30]
• 1978–1999 Unabomber killings by Ted Kaczynski[31]
• 1980–1985 Attacks by the Jewish Defense League.
• 1981 Muñiz Air National Guard Base attack by the Boricua Popular Army[32]
• 1983–1984 The Order/Bruder Schweigen activities such as the assassination of Jewish radio host Alan Berg in Denver, Colorado.
• 1994–1996 Aryan Republican Army criminal activities.
• 1995 Oklahoma City bombing at Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma by Timothy McVeigh[1][33]
• 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing at Centennial Olympic Park, Atlanta, Georgia by Eric Robert Rudolph[31]
• 1999 Los Angeles Jewish Community Center shooting at Granada Hills North Valley Jewish Community Center and Chatsworth in Los Angeles, California by Buford O. Furrow
• 1999 Columbine High School shooting and attempted bombing by Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.
• 1999 The murder of Gary Matson and Winfield Mowder and burnings of Sacramento synagogues and abortion clinics in Happy Valley, California and Sacramento, California by Matthew and Tyler Williams
• 2002 Beltway sniper attacks in and around Washington, D.C. area by John Allen Muhammad and Lee Boyd Malvo[33]
• 2008 Barack Obama assassination plot in Tennessee by neo-Nazi skinheads
• 2008 Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee by Jim David Adkinsson
• 2009 United States Holocaust Memorial Museum shooting at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington D.C. by James von Brunn[33]
• 2009 Fort Hood shooting at Fort Hood in Killeen, Texas by Nidal Hasan[33]
• 2010 Austin suicide attack targeting the IRS at Building I Echelon office complex in Austin, Texas by Andrew Joseph Stack III[33]
• 2013 Christopher Dorner shootings in the counties of Orange, Los Angeles and Riverside[31]
• 2013 Boston Marathon bombing at Boylston Street and Boston Marathon in Boston, Massachusetts by Dzhkohar Tsarnaev and Tamerlan Tsarnaev.[34]
• 2014 Overland Park Jewish Community Center shooting at the Jewish Community Center of Greater Kansas City and Village Shalom by Frazier Glenn Miller Jr.
• 2015 Charleston church shooting at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Charleston, South Carolina by Dylann Roof[31]
• 2015 Lafayette shooting at Grand 16 movie theatre in Lafayette, Louisiana by John "Rusty" Russell Houser.
• 2015 Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, Colorado by Robert Lewis Dear
• 2015 San Bernardino attack at the Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, California by Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik[35]
• 2015 Chattanooga shootings at the Armed Forces Career Center and U.S. Navy Reserve center in Chattanooga, Tennessee by Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez[36]
• 2016 Orlando nightclub shooting at Pulse LGBT nighclub in Orlando, Florida by Omar Mateen[37]
• 2017 Stabbing of Timothy Caughman at Hell's Kitchen in Manhattan, New York City by James Harris Jackson
• 2017 Stabbing of Richard Collins III at the University of Maryland in College Park, Maryland by Sean Urbanski
• 2017 Congressional baseball shooting at the Congressional Baseball Game for Charity in Alexandria, Virginia by James Thomas Hodgkinson
• 2017 Fresno shootings at Motel 6 and downtown Fresno in Fresno, California by Kori Ali Muhammad
• 2017 Charlottesville car attack during the Charlottesville riots/Unite the Right rally at Downtown Mall in Charlottesville, Virginia by James Alex Fields
• 2017 Burnette Chapel shooting at the Burnette Chapel Church of Christ in Antioch, Tennessee by Emanuel Kidega Samson.
• 2018 October 2018 United States mail bombing attempts across various cities in the United States by Cesar Alteri Sayoc Jr.
• 2018 Murder of Blaze Bernstein at Borrego Park in Lake Forest, California by Samuel Woodard/Atomwaffen Division
• 2018 Pittsburgh synagogue shooting at Tree of Life - Or L'Simcha Congregation by Robert Bowers
• 2019 Christopher Paul Hasson's attempted assassination of Democrat, left-wing, and socialist politicians and journalists
• 2019 Escondido mosque fire and Poway synagogue shooting at Dar-ul-Arqam mosque and Chabad of Poway in Escondido, California and Poway, California by John T. Earnest
• 2019 Tacoma attack at an ICE detention center in Tacoma, Washington by Willem van Spronsen
• 2019 El Paso shooting at a Walmart store in El Paso, Texas by Patrick Crusius

First group listed follow the same ideology as BLM
Weather Underground - Wikipedia

On his way out of the White House, Bill Clinton pardoned 2 convicted domestic terrorist members of the weather underground

As execrable as the Rich pardon was, it wasn’t even the worst thing that happened that day.

Having already exhausted the country with his excesses, President Clinton’s swan song was one of his worst: a mind-blowing series of pardons. It included not only the Rich escapade but pardons of two Weather Underground terrorists, Susan Rosenberg and Linda Sue Evans.

Obama was mentored by and friends with Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn

 

[Orange_Crush]

Oregon will sue federal police agencies, open criminal investigation into use of force



What's so important about names and charges at this point? The Oregon AG is suing fed agencies over the actions they are taking in PDX. The above was embedded in the article you posted. Feels like you've got your mind made up and don't care about taking an objective view of the situation.

I saw that. They can sue for anything they want. The article says they're opening an investigation, which means they're yet to show (or even know) whether there has been a breech of jurisdiction.

The names and charges are so important because morons came into this thread, posted anonymous videos of arrests with no context or background, and grandstanded that the Feds are kidnapping people in breech of habeas corpus.

Now, either they want to argue that the Federal gov't never has jurisdiction, thus those details aren't germane to the discussion, or they need to post the names and charges so that we can rationally discuss whether the Federal Gov't is operating legally.

And... Again... Let your home fries call for an investigation and file a lawsuit. Drop back by when it produces something more than tears.

And I'll repeat myself. If your local gov'ts had dealt with this, the Feds wouldn't have had to. You let mobs of anarchists burn down and loot the private businesses that your taxpayers owned and depended on as their livelihood.

Instead of hiding your head in shame, you're in here attacking the Feds for what y'all should have done immediately.

Shameful.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Oregon will sue federal police agencies, open criminal investigation into use of force



What's so important about names and charges at this point? The Oregon AG is suing fed agencies over the actions they are taking in PDX. The above was embedded in the article you posted. Feels like you've got your mind made up and don't care about taking an objective view of the situation.

The feds should back off, cut federal funding and let the lunatics destroy the damn city

 

[Orange_Crush]

The feds should back off, cut federal funding and let the lunatics destroy the damn city

No. They shouldn't. That city is full of taxpayers and business owners that deserve better than that. The taxpayers should get together with torches and pitchforks and run their representation, that is hanging them out to dry for political purposes, out of the state.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I'm actually looking forward to the investigation and lawsuit. I wonder if it will bring any surprises to light.

Barr has been talking since June about a DOJ investigation into Antifa and other extremist groups. He says they're highly organized, well funded, and also mentioned...

“Some of these violent extremists, moreover, may be fortified by foreign entities seeking to sow chaos and disorder in our country,” Barr wrote, though he offered no specifics.

I wonder if their investigations have shown that the rioting in major cities across the country is all planned and coordinated by a central, organized group. If so, there's their jurisdiction for Feds to take over.

I wonder if investigations have shown that these are highly organized and "fortified by foreign entities". If so, there's Federal jurisdiction, and also possibly treason and insurrection charges for participants.

Me when they mention lawsuits and investigations into Federal participation:

 

[Orangeburst]

I'm actually looking forward to the investigation and lawsuit. I wonder if it will bring any surprises to light.

Barr has been talking since June about a DOJ investigation into Antifa and other extremist groups. He says they're highly organized, well funded, and also mentioned...



I wonder if their investigations have shown that the rioting in major cities across the country is all planned and coordinated by a central, organized group. If so, there's their jurisdiction for Feds to take over.

I wonder if investigations have shown that these are highly organized and "fortified by foreign entities". If so, there's Federal jurisdiction, and also possibly treason and insurrection charges for participants.

Me when they mention lawsuits and investigations into Federal participation:

I have not really caught up on this topic, but did not the designation of Antifa as a terrorist organization make the pick up legal?

 

[Purple Tiger]

A lot of different people does not support KTK's supposition that white nationalists are the leading cause of domestic terrorism.

Nor does it contradict his supposition, either. I was trying to be fair in my representation of the people behind domestic terror. Frankly, I see more incidents caused by white nationalists than any other group.

 

[n_huffhines]

The feds should back off, cut federal funding and let the lunatics destroy the damn city

Because it's all about grinding axes and not about good, lawful govt. Amiright?

 

[Purple Tiger]

Interesting that they do not list any ambushes and killings of Police Officers.

Probably because that does not fit the definition of domestic terror.

 

[davethevol]

Because it's all about grinding axes and not about good, lawful govt. Amiright?

The government in Portland is not good. They’ve been downright evil in allowing antifa to terrorize and destroy people’s property with no repercussions. There are numerous videos of them stopping traffic and assaulting people while the police can be seen nearby not intervening because they’ve been given stand down orders from the Mayor. Those local governments are very corrupt.

 

[Redleg68]

Probably because that does not fit the definition of domestic terror.

I would have thought the ambush that killed five officers and wounded seven more plus two civilians would have been listed. It seems the definitions of domestic terrorism are varied

 

[0nelilreb]

Probably because that does not fit the definition of domestic terror.

Define domestic Terrorism

 

[0nelilreb]

I would have thought the ambush that killed five officers and wounded seven more plus two civilians would have been listed. It seems the definitions of domestic terrorism are varied

How the USA PATRIOT Act redefines "Domestic Terrorism"

 

[landscapingvol]

Oregon will sue federal police agencies, open criminal investigation into use of force



What's so important about names and charges at this point? The Oregon AG is suing fed agencies over the actions they are taking in PDX. The above was embedded in the article you posted. Feels like you've got your mind made up and don't care about taking an objective view of the situation.

Your state can’t seem to get it’s crap together which is no surprise

 

[landscapingvol]

Probably because that does not fit the definition of domestic terror.

If you add up all the incidents reported on Wikipedia over the last 50 years or so in pales in comparison to the level of violence caused by inner city gangs over that same time period. It’s almost laughable that you and the BLM movement believes White Nationalism is even remotely a threat to your freedom or safety. In fact over half of the victims in those attacks were white. Keep up the imaginary fight! Don Quixote has a sidekick

 

[Sandman 423]

I'm actually looking forward to the investigation and lawsuit. I wonder if it will bring any surprises to light.

Barr has been talking since June about a DOJ investigation into Antifa and other extremist groups. He says they're highly organized, well funded, and also mentioned...



I wonder if their investigations have shown that the rioting in major cities across the country is all planned and coordinated by a central, organized group. If so, there's their jurisdiction for Feds to take over.

I wonder if investigations have shown that these are highly organized and "fortified by foreign entities". If so, there's Federal jurisdiction, and also possibly treason and insurrection charges for participants.

Me when they mention lawsuits and investigations into Federal participation:

Mine is a little less Amish than yours!!!

 

[n_huffhines]

The government in Portland is not good. They’ve been downright evil in allowing antifa to terrorize and destroy people’s property with no repercussions. There are numerous videos of them stopping traffic and assaulting people while the police can be seen nearby not intervening because they’ve been given stand down orders from the Mayor. Those local governments are very corrupt.

I didn't say it was. My point was that it shouldn't be a war between federal/local and political sides. He's advocating hurting the people because he doesn't like their govt. The objective should be good government. Fakeass federalists are mad the local government is doing the right thing by suing the federal government. They're supposed to check each other on the constitution. They're not supposed to be against each other because of petty rivalries or politics

 

[Weezer]

Fine. Have that discussion as opposed to claiming arrest that y'all are ignorant about are unconstitutional.

If the laws themselves are un-Constitutional, then the arrests would be as well. Look, I see both sides of the argument here. You make a valid point, but there are valid points on the other side as well.

 

[Weezer]

A CBP officer is a federal agent. Federal = Trump.

Federal = Federal. It does not equal Trump. Federal protocols were drawn up and enacted well before Trump was in office. I know you enjoy blaming every bad thing in the world on Trump, but how about we keep it in the realm of reality and blame him for the things he actually deserves to be blamed for? Trump may be responsible for the feds being there, but he did not create their guidelines.

 

[n_huffhines]

Federal = Federal. It does not equal Trump. Federal protocols were drawn up and enacted well before Trump was in office. I know you enjoy blaming every bad thing in the world on Trump, but how about we keep it in the realm of reality and blame him for the things he actually deserves to be blamed for? Trump may be responsible for the feds being there, but he did not create their guidelines.

Regardless of the guidelines, it's still Trump's. He's in charge of the executive branch. He is the one ultimately responsible. The buck stops here. Does it make it any better to say "Trump didn't know about these gross violations of the constitution in his branch" or "Trump knows about these gross violations of the constitution in his branch and didn't do anything"?

Any way you slice it, it's not good

 

[Weezer]

Regardless of the guidelines, it's still Trump's. He's on charge of the executive branch. He is the one ultimately responsible. The buck stops here.

Really? Why hasn't the same been true of past Presidents then?