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[k-town_king]

A lot of different people does not support KTK's supposition that white nationalists are the leading cause of domestic terrorism.

It doesn't matter what posters think. The facts are readily available. This isn't up for debate. Its a literal fact that cannot be disputed.

 

[n_huffhines]

Really? Why hasn't the same been true of past Presidents then?

Why do you say it's not on them? It was on them if it happened under them.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

They (minorities) deserve it according to some.

So should those who are committing criminal acts not be detained? Oh and this is a secret police btw.

 

[Purple Tiger]

I would have thought the ambush that killed five officers and wounded seven more plus two civilians would have been listed. It seems the definitions of domestic terrorism are varied

You should take that up with Wikipedia. I didn't create the list.

 

[Weezer]

It doesn't matter what posters think. The facts are readily available. This isn't up for debate. Its a literal fact that cannot be disputed.

Link?

 

[Weezer]

Why do you say it's not on them? It was on them if it happened under them.

Not according to certain posters. Apparently you've missed the double standard.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Not to the degree that Trump does.
Everybody lies, but everybody does not lie equally.
All politicians lie, but all politicians do not lie equally.

Really? So you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Trump lies more than any other politician? Don’t answer that it’s rhetorical. Because you know you can’t. Your sheer hate for Trump will not allow you to accept anything but your own opinion.

 

[Weezer]

You should take that up with Wikipedia. I didn't create the list.

Wiki is publicly sourced. It doesn't necessarily establish fact.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

It doesn't matter what posters think. The facts are readily available. This isn't up for debate. Its a literal fact that cannot be disputed.

Are you telling me that Wikipedia can’t be disputed?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

You should take that up with Wikipedia. I didn't create the list.

Using Wikipedia as a source for a debate is beyond low class. Why do you think it cannot nor should not ever be considered a reliable source when writing a paper?

 

[MG1968]

Why do you say it's not on them? It was on them if it happened under them.

Then Obama should have been impeached over Fast and Furious and the murder without due process of an American citizen via drone strike. Among other things. The buck may stop with POTUS, but he still finds a way to pass it on.

 

[n_huffhines]

Then Obama should have been impeached over Fast and Furious and the murder without due process of an American citizen via drone strike. Among other things. The buck may stop with POTUS, but he still finds a way to pass it on.

Yes. Exactly.

 

[n_huffhines]

Not according to certain posters. Apparently you've missed the double standard.

Ask that **** to them, then. Not me.

 

[hndog609]

You should take that up with Wikipedia. I didn't create the list.

That's fair, but in citing any source to back up a claim you are to at least some degree signing off on it's veracity.

 

[Weezer]

Ask that **** to them, then. Not me.

You initially responded to me, Huff.

 

[k-town_king]

Link?

lmao. Willfully ignorant or just uninformed I see. That is a widely know fact for anyone with a shred of US political knowledge.


Here is one. Google is great too.
The Escalating Terrorism Problem in the United States

The data show three notable trends. First, right-wing attacks and plots accounted for the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United States since 1994. In particular, they made up a large percentage of incidents in the 1990s and 2010s. Second, the total number of right-wing attacks and plots has grown substantially during the past six years. In 2019, for example, right-wing extremists perpetrated nearly two-thirds of the terrorist attacks and plots in the United States, and they committed over 90 percent of the attacks and plots between January 1 and May 8, 2020. Third, although religious extremists were responsible for the most fatalities because of the 9/11 attacks, right-wing perpetrators were responsible for more than half of all annual fatalities in 14 of the 21 years during which fatal attacks occurred.

How about the US givernment?
https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/s894/BILLS-116s894is.xml
Congress finds the following:


(1) White supremacists and other far-right-wing extremists are the most significant domestic terrorism threat facing the United States.





(2) On February 22, 2019, a Trump Administration United States Department of Justice official wrote in a New York Times op-ed that “white supremacy and far-right extremism are among the greatest domestic-security threats facing the United States. Regrettably, over the past 25 years, law enforcement, at both the Federal and State levels, has been slow to respond. … Killings committed by individuals and groups associated with far-right extremist groups have risen significantly.”.





(3) An April 2017 Government Accountability Office report on the significant, lethal threat posed by domestic violent extremists explained that “ince September 12, 2001, the number of fatalities caused by domestic violent extremists has ranged from 1 to 49 in a given year.” The report noted: “[F]atalities resulting from attacks by far right wing violent extremists have exceeded those caused by radical Islamist violent extremists in 10 of the 15 years, and were the same in 3 of the years since September 12, 2001. Of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent).”.





(4) An unclassified May 2017 joint intelligence bulletin from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Department of Homeland Security found that “white supremacist extremism poses [a] persistent threat of lethal violence,” and that White supremacists “were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016 … more than any other domestic extremist movement”.





(5) Fatal terrorist attacks by far-right-wing extremists include—



(A) the August 5, 2012, mass shooting at a Sikh gurdwara in Oak Creek, Wisconsin, in which a White supremacist shot and killed 6 members of the gurdwara;





(B) the April 13, 2014, mass shooting at a Jewish community center and a Jewish assisted living facility in Overland Park, Kansas, in which a neo-Nazi shot and killed 3 civilians, including a 14-year-old teenager;





(C) the June 8, 2014, ambush in Las Vegas, Nevada, in which 2 supporters of the far-right-wing “patriot” movement shot and killed 2 police officers and a civilian;





(D) the June 17, 2015, mass shooting at the Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, South Carolina, in which a White supremacist shot and killed 9 members of the church;





(E) the November 27, 2015, mass shooting at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, Colorado, in which an anti-abortion extremist shot and killed a police officer and 2 civilians;





(F) the March 20, 2017, murder of an African-American man in New York City, allegedly committed by a White supremacist who reportedly traveled to New York “for the purpose of killing black men”;





(G) the May 26, 2017, attack in Portland, Oregon, in which a White supremacist allegedly murdered 2 men and injured a third after the men defended 2 young women whom the individual had targeted with anti-Muslim hate speech;





(H) the August 12, 2017, attack in Charlottesville, Virginia, in which a White supremacist killed one and injured nineteen after driving his car through a crowd of individuals protesting a neo-Nazi rally, and of which former Attorney General Jeff Sessions said, “It does meet the definition of domestic terrorism in our statute.”;





(I) the July 2018 murder of an African-American woman from Kansas City, Missouri, allegedly committed by a White supremacist who reportedly bragged about being a member of the Ku Klux Klan;





(J) the October 24, 2018, shooting in Jeffersontown, Kentucky, in which a White man allegedly murdered 2 African Americans at a grocery store after first attempting to enter a church with a predominantly African-American congregation during a service; and





(K) the October 27, 2018, mass shooting at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, in which a White nationalist allegedly shot and killed 11 members of the congregation.









(6) In November 2018, the Federal Bureau of Investigation released its annual hate crime incident report, which found that in 2017, hate crimes increased by approximately 17 percent, including a 23-percent increase in religion-based hate crimes, an 18-percent increase in race-based crimes, and a 5-percent increase in crimes directed against LGBT individuals. The total number of reported hate crimes rose for the third consecutive year. The previous year's report found that in 2016, hate crimes increased by almost 5 percent, including a 19-percent rise in hate crimes against American Muslims; additionally, of the hate crimes motivated by religious bias in 2016, 53 percent were anti-Semitic. Similarly, the report analyzing 2015 data found that hate crimes increased by 6 percent that year. Much of the 2015 increase came from a 66-percent rise in attacks on American Muslims and a 9-percent rise in attacks on American Jews. In all three reports, race-based crimes were most numerous, and those crimes most often targeted African Americans.





(7) On March 15, 2019, a White nationalist was arrested and charged with murder after allegedly killing 50 Muslim worshippers and injuring more than 40 in a massacre at the Al Noor Mosque and Linwood Mosque in Christchurch, New Zealand. The alleged shooter posted a hate-filled, xenophobic manifesto that detailed his White nationalist ideology before the massacre. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern labeled the massacre a terrorist attack.





(8) In January 2017, a right-wing extremist who had expressed anti-Muslim views was charged with murder for allegedly killing 6 people and injuring 19 in a shooting rampage at a mosque in Quebec City, Canada. It was the first-ever mass shooting at a mosque in North America, and Prime Minister Trudeau labeled it a terrorist attack.





(9) On February 15, 2019, Federal authorities arrested U.S. Coast Guard Lieutenant Christopher Paul Hasson, who was allegedly planning to kill a number of prominent journalists, professors, judges, and “leftists in general”. In court filings, prosecutors described Lieutenant Hasson as a “domestic terrorist” who in an email “identified himself as a White Nationalist for over 30 years and advocated for ‘focused violence’ in order to establish a white homeland.”.


Plenty of facts available.

 

[Orange_Crush]

I have not really caught up on this topic, but did not the designation of Antifa as a terrorist organization make the pick up legal?

I don't think they've officially been designated a terrorist organization. trump tweeted it. But we all know how much official stock we should put into his tweets.

 

[MG1968]

And yet KTK helps elect politicians that would seek to strip black folks of their right to keep and bear arms.

 

[rekinhavoc]

lmao. Willfully ignorant or just uninformed I see. That is a widely know fact for anyone with a shred of US political knowledge.


Here is one. Google is great too.
The Escalating Terrorism Problem in the United States

The data show three notable trends. First, right-wing attacks and plots accounted for the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United States since 1994. In particular, they made up a large percentage of incidents in the 1990s and 2010s. Second, the total number of right-wing attacks and plots has grown substantially during the past six years. In 2019, for example, right-wing extremists perpetrated nearly two-thirds of the terrorist attacks and plots in the United States, and they committed over 90 percent of the attacks and plots between January 1 and May 8, 2020. Third, although religious extremists were responsible for the most fatalities because of the 9/11 attacks, right-wing perpetrators were responsible for more than half of all annual fatalities in 14 of the 21 years during which fatal attacks occurred.

How about the US givernment?
https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/s894/BILLS-116s894is.xml
Congress finds the following:


(1) White supremacists and other far-right-wing extremists are the most significant domestic terrorism threat facing the United States.





(2) On February 22, 2019, a Trump Administration United States Department of Justice official wrote in a New York Times op-ed that “white supremacy and far-right extremism are among the greatest domestic-security threats facing the United States. Regrettably, over the past 25 years, law enforcement, at both the Federal and State levels, has been slow to respond. … Killings committed by individuals and groups associated with far-right extremist groups have risen significantly.”.





(3) An April 2017 Government Accountability Office report on the significant, lethal threat posed by domestic violent extremists explained that “ince September 12, 2001, the number of fatalities caused by domestic violent extremists has ranged from 1 to 49 in a given year.” The report noted: “[F]atalities resulting from attacks by far right wing violent extremists have exceeded those caused by radical Islamist violent extremists in 10 of the 15 years, and were the same in 3 of the years since September 12, 2001. Of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent).”.





(4) An unclassified May 2017 joint intelligence bulletin from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Department of Homeland Security found that “white supremacist extremism poses [a] persistent threat of lethal violence,” and that White supremacists “were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016 … more than any other domestic extremist movement”.





(5) Fatal terrorist attacks by far-right-wing extremists include—



(A) the August 5, 2012, mass shooting at a Sikh gurdwara in Oak Creek, Wisconsin, in which a White supremacist shot and killed 6 members of the gurdwara;





(B) the April 13, 2014, mass shooting at a Jewish community center and a Jewish assisted living facility in Overland Park, Kansas, in which a neo-Nazi shot and killed 3 civilians, including a 14-year-old teenager;





(C) the June 8, 2014, ambush in Las Vegas, Nevada, in which 2 supporters of the far-right-wing “patriot” movement shot and killed 2 police officers and a civilian;





(D) the June 17, 2015, mass shooting at the Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, South Carolina, in which a White supremacist shot and killed 9 members of the church;





(E) the November 27, 2015, mass shooting at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, Colorado, in which an anti-abortion extremist shot and killed a police officer and 2 civilians;





(F) the March 20, 2017, murder of an African-American man in New York City, allegedly committed by a White supremacist who reportedly traveled to New York “for the purpose of killing black men”;





(G) the May 26, 2017, attack in Portland, Oregon, in which a White supremacist allegedly murdered 2 men and injured a third after the men defended 2 young women whom the individual had targeted with anti-Muslim hate speech;





(H) the August 12, 2017, attack in Charlottesville, Virginia, in which a White supremacist killed one and injured nineteen after driving his car through a crowd of individuals protesting a neo-Nazi rally, and of which former Attorney General Jeff Sessions said, “It does meet the definition of domestic terrorism in our statute.”;





(I) the July 2018 murder of an African-American woman from Kansas City, Missouri, allegedly committed by a White supremacist who reportedly bragged about being a member of the Ku Klux Klan;





(J) the October 24, 2018, shooting in Jeffersontown, Kentucky, in which a White man allegedly murdered 2 African Americans at a grocery store after first attempting to enter a church with a predominantly African-American congregation during a service; and





(K) the October 27, 2018, mass shooting at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, in which a White nationalist allegedly shot and killed 11 members of the congregation.









(6) In November 2018, the Federal Bureau of Investigation released its annual hate crime incident report, which found that in 2017, hate crimes increased by approximately 17 percent, including a 23-percent increase in religion-based hate crimes, an 18-percent increase in race-based crimes, and a 5-percent increase in crimes directed against LGBT individuals. The total number of reported hate crimes rose for the third consecutive year. The previous year's report found that in 2016, hate crimes increased by almost 5 percent, including a 19-percent rise in hate crimes against American Muslims; additionally, of the hate crimes motivated by religious bias in 2016, 53 percent were anti-Semitic. Similarly, the report analyzing 2015 data found that hate crimes increased by 6 percent that year. Much of the 2015 increase came from a 66-percent rise in attacks on American Muslims and a 9-percent rise in attacks on American Jews. In all three reports, race-based crimes were most numerous, and those crimes most often targeted African Americans.





(7) On March 15, 2019, a White nationalist was arrested and charged with murder after allegedly killing 50 Muslim worshippers and injuring more than 40 in a massacre at the Al Noor Mosque and Linwood Mosque in Christchurch, New Zealand. The alleged shooter posted a hate-filled, xenophobic manifesto that detailed his White nationalist ideology before the massacre. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern labeled the massacre a terrorist attack.





(8) In January 2017, a right-wing extremist who had expressed anti-Muslim views was charged with murder for allegedly killing 6 people and injuring 19 in a shooting rampage at a mosque in Quebec City, Canada. It was the first-ever mass shooting at a mosque in North America, and Prime Minister Trudeau labeled it a terrorist attack.





(9) On February 15, 2019, Federal authorities arrested U.S. Coast Guard Lieutenant Christopher Paul Hasson, who was allegedly planning to kill a number of prominent journalists, professors, judges, and “leftists in general”. In court filings, prosecutors described Lieutenant Hasson as a “domestic terrorist” who in an email “identified himself as a White Nationalist for over 30 years and advocated for ‘focused violence’ in order to establish a white homeland.”.


Plenty of facts available.

Mr. Durbin (for himself, Mr. Blumenthal, Mr. Booker, Mr. Cardin, Mr. Coons, Ms. Duckworth, Ms. Harris, Mr. Kaine, Ms. Klobuchar, Mr. Markey, Mr. Whitehouse, Mr. Sanders, Mr. Schatz, and Mr. Reed) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

Hardly a bipartisan effort. Given the last few months I would say Antifa has taken the title as most dangerous threat.

They forgot to be inclusive. Big shock.

 

[GoDucks349]

I saw that. They can sue for anything they want. The article says they're opening an investigation, which means they're yet to show (or even know) whether there has been a breech of jurisdiction.

The names and charges are so important because morons came into this thread, posted anonymous videos of arrests with no context or background, and grandstanded that the Feds are kidnapping people in breech of habeas corpus.

Now, either they want to argue that the Federal gov't never has jurisdiction, thus those details aren't germane to the discussion, or they need to post the names and charges so that we can rationally discuss whether the Federal Gov't is operating legally.

And... Again... Let your home fries call for an investigation and file a lawsuit. Drop back by when it produces something more than tears.

And I'll repeat myself. If your local gov'ts had dealt with this, the Feds wouldn't have had to. You let mobs of anarchists burn down and loot the private businesses that your taxpayers owned and depended on as their livelihood.

Instead of hiding your head in shame, you're in here attacking the Feds for what y'all should have done immediately.

Shameful.

I'm not hiding my head in shame in any way.

This is nothing more than a Trump publicity stunt to try to divide the country. Dividing the country is the primary hope trump has for reelection. He knows he has no chance of winning Oregon so he uses Portland as a place to create an issue hoping conservatives in other more friendly parts of the country will rally behind his instigation of a conflict so he can garner some headlines. You've fallen for it hook line and sinker.........

 

[Weezer]

lmao. Willfully ignorant or just uninformed I see. That is a widely know fact for anyone with a shred of US political knowledge.


Here is one. Google is great too.
The Escalating Terrorism Problem in the United States

The data show three notable trends. First, right-wing attacks and plots accounted for the majority of all terrorist incidents in the United States since 1994. In particular, they made up a large percentage of incidents in the 1990s and 2010s. Second, the total number of right-wing attacks and plots has grown substantially during the past six years. In 2019, for example, right-wing extremists perpetrated nearly two-thirds of the terrorist attacks and plots in the United States, and they committed over 90 percent of the attacks and plots between January 1 and May 8, 2020. Third, although religious extremists were responsible for the most fatalities because of the 9/11 attacks, right-wing perpetrators were responsible for more than half of all annual fatalities in 14 of the 21 years during which fatal attacks occurred.

How about the US givernment?
https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/s894/BILLS-116s894is.xml
Congress finds the following:


(1) White supremacists and other far-right-wing extremists are the most significant domestic terrorism threat facing the United States.





(2) On February 22, 2019, a Trump Administration United States Department of Justice official wrote in a New York Times op-ed that “white supremacy and far-right extremism are among the greatest domestic-security threats facing the United States. Regrettably, over the past 25 years, law enforcement, at both the Federal and State levels, has been slow to respond. … Killings committed by individuals and groups associated with far-right extremist groups have risen significantly.”.





(3) An April 2017 Government Accountability Office report on the significant, lethal threat posed by domestic violent extremists explained that “ince September 12, 2001, the number of fatalities caused by domestic violent extremists has ranged from 1 to 49 in a given year.” The report noted: “[F]atalities resulting from attacks by far right wing violent extremists have exceeded those caused by radical Islamist violent extremists in 10 of the 15 years, and were the same in 3 of the years since September 12, 2001. Of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, far right wing violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent).”.





(4) An unclassified May 2017 joint intelligence bulletin from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Department of Homeland Security found that “white supremacist extremism poses [a] persistent threat of lethal violence,” and that White supremacists “were responsible for 49 homicides in 26 attacks from 2000 to 2016 … more than any other domestic extremist movement”.





(5) Fatal terrorist attacks by far-right-wing extremists include—



(A) the August 5, 2012, mass shooting at a Sikh gurdwara in Oak Creek, Wisconsin, in which a White supremacist shot and killed 6 members of the gurdwara;





(B) the April 13, 2014, mass shooting at a Jewish community center and a Jewish assisted living facility in Overland Park, Kansas, in which a neo-Nazi shot and killed 3 civilians, including a 14-year-old teenager;





(C) the June 8, 2014, ambush in Las Vegas, Nevada, in which 2 supporters of the far-right-wing “patriot” movement shot and killed 2 police officers and a civilian;





(D) the June 17, 2015, mass shooting at the Emanuel AME Church in Charleston, South Carolina, in which a White supremacist shot and killed 9 members of the church;





(E) the November 27, 2015, mass shooting at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, Colorado, in which an anti-abortion extremist shot and killed a police officer and 2 civilians;





(F) the March 20, 2017, murder of an African-American man in New York City, allegedly committed by a White supremacist who reportedly traveled to New York “for the purpose of killing black men”;





(G) the May 26, 2017, attack in Portland, Oregon, in which a White supremacist allegedly murdered 2 men and injured a third after the men defended 2 young women whom the individual had targeted with anti-Muslim hate speech;





(H) the August 12, 2017, attack in Charlottesville, Virginia, in which a White supremacist killed one and injured nineteen after driving his car through a crowd of individuals protesting a neo-Nazi rally, and of which former Attorney General Jeff Sessions said, “It does meet the definition of domestic terrorism in our statute.”;





(I) the July 2018 murder of an African-American woman from Kansas City, Missouri, allegedly committed by a White supremacist who reportedly bragged about being a member of the Ku Klux Klan;





(J) the October 24, 2018, shooting in Jeffersontown, Kentucky, in which a White man allegedly murdered 2 African Americans at a grocery store after first attempting to enter a church with a predominantly African-American congregation during a service; and





(K) the October 27, 2018, mass shooting at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, in which a White nationalist allegedly shot and killed 11 members of the congregation.









(6) In November 2018, the Federal Bureau of Investigation released its annual hate crime incident report, which found that in 2017, hate crimes increased by approximately 17 percent, including a 23-percent increase in religion-based hate crimes, an 18-percent increase in race-based crimes, and a 5-percent increase in crimes directed against LGBT individuals. The total number of reported hate crimes rose for the third consecutive year. The previous year's report found that in 2016, hate crimes increased by almost 5 percent, including a 19-percent rise in hate crimes against American Muslims; additionally, of the hate crimes motivated by religious bias in 2016, 53 percent were anti-Semitic. Similarly, the report analyzing 2015 data found that hate crimes increased by 6 percent that year. Much of the 2015 increase came from a 66-percent rise in attacks on American Muslims and a 9-percent rise in attacks on American Jews. In all three reports, race-based crimes were most numerous, and those crimes most often targeted African Americans.





(7) On March 15, 2019, a White nationalist was arrested and charged with murder after allegedly killing 50 Muslim worshippers and injuring more than 40 in a massacre at the Al Noor Mosque and Linwood Mosque in Christchurch, New Zealand. The alleged shooter posted a hate-filled, xenophobic manifesto that detailed his White nationalist ideology before the massacre. Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern labeled the massacre a terrorist attack.





(8) In January 2017, a right-wing extremist who had expressed anti-Muslim views was charged with murder for allegedly killing 6 people and injuring 19 in a shooting rampage at a mosque in Quebec City, Canada. It was the first-ever mass shooting at a mosque in North America, and Prime Minister Trudeau labeled it a terrorist attack.





(9) On February 15, 2019, Federal authorities arrested U.S. Coast Guard Lieutenant Christopher Paul Hasson, who was allegedly planning to kill a number of prominent journalists, professors, judges, and “leftists in general”. In court filings, prosecutors described Lieutenant Hasson as a “domestic terrorist” who in an email “identified himself as a White Nationalist for over 30 years and advocated for ‘focused violence’ in order to establish a white homeland.”.


Plenty of facts available.

Far right does not automatically mean white supremacist. Your statement was specifically white supremacists. Your link says "white supremacists and other far right-wing extremists". That includes many anti-government groups, which are not necessarily racially motivated. Willfully ignorant is stopping at white supremacists without reading the rest of the statement just to suit your narrative.

 

[n_huffhines]

You initially responded to me, Huff.

Yeah, my point had nothing to do with past admins or giving them a pass. You responded by posing a question to me that assumed a position for me based on interactions you've had with other people. That's the problem. My post was about whether or not Trump is to blame and you're trying to talk whatabout other losers that disgraced the oval office, too?

OK. They're losers too. Trump's still an anti-constitutional loser, and he's the one in power right now, so let's talk about him.

 

[Orange_Crush]

If the laws themselves are un-Constitutional, then the arrests would be as well. Look, I see both sides of the argument here. You make a valid point, but there are valid points on the other side as well.

Well, it sounds like a Constitutional discussion, which (like I said) is a completely different discussion.

Posting that Feds are kinapping people, without even knowing the people's names, much less the investigation, cause or charges behind the arrests... Well, that's hyperbole to the point of intellectual dishonesty that will have a tendency to shut ears against any other point/argument you [they] may bring to the table. It's equine refuse is what it is.

And unless you know the investigation, charges or cause for the arrests, it's going to be hard to have a discussion on the constitutionality.

And unless you know the facts behind the DOJ investigation into the domestic disturbances across the country, I can't take you seriously if you're claiming that their presence is unconstitutional. Like I mentioned earlier, Barr has indicated that the violence and riots across the nation may have been coordinated by central group(s). He also indicated that they may be sponsored, organized and funded by foreign parties for the detriment of our nation.

If either of those is true, it is a federal issue, and their responsibility to protect us from enemies both foreign and domestic.

So... Do you know the state and facts of those investigations? You're claiming this is all unconstitutional. Unless you have more info that I suspect you have, you're making a fallacious argument from ignorance. And if you want to pile onto the, "Yah, but Barr is a..." argument, you're just making a fallacious argument from ignorance, and lacing it with an ad hominem.

So, which is it? Do you have facts to bring us about the DOJ investigations? Or do you just want us to join in and rename "discomfort" to "unConstitutional"?

 

[Orange_Crush]

I'm not hiding my head in shame in any way.

This is nothing more than a Trump publicity stunt to try to divide the country. Dividing the country is the primary hope trump has for reelection. He knows he has no chance of winning Oregon so he uses Portland as a place to create an issue hoping conservatives in other more friendly parts of the country will rally behind his instigation of a conflict so he can garner some headlines. You've fallen for it hook line and sinker.........

Quite the sidestep. When you don't have facts to bring, by all means, break out the boogey man and fall back unfounded conspiracy theories.

So, back on topic...

Do you know the names, charges and cause for the arrests? Do you have any facts about the investigations that led to those arrests?

Do you have any facts about the DOJ/Barr's investigations into the possible coordination of violence and unrest across the country, and whether those domestic disturbances were foreign sponsored? Barr has alluded to both, and if either is true, it's a Federal issue.

Your boogey-man ad hominems aside, can you give insight to any of that? I mean, you were talking about federal jurisdiction at one point.

Until it actually came to knowing whether they have jurisdiction, of course.

 

[Redleg68]

You should take that up with Wikipedia. I didn't create the list.

I know. Just making an observation.