Trump takes the 5th

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Orangeburst said:
Biden said he would unite us..NOT.

The chasm grows when I did not think any worse.
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Never even tried.

“This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated”. Absolutely false for one. And he’s pointing to a group of people and telling the rest of America “It’s their fault you are getting sick and your relatives are dying” for another.

He’s never once tried to unite the country in an way whatsoever, despite what the MSM may say.

And his VP comes in with her “our shared values” crap. Killing babies isn’t one of my values. We share nothing you cackling waste of space.
 
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VOLS INC. said:
Never even tried.

“This is a pandemic of the unvaccinated”. Absolutely false for one. And he’s pointing to a group of people and telling the rest of America “It’s their fault you are getting sick and your relatives are dying” for another.

He’s never once tried to unite the country in an way whatsoever, despite what the MSM may say.
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I see it as one of two ways..

We got this in the bag no matter what electoral wise
Or
This admin are desperate idiots

Macro view.

This timing is unreal. One thing they can do right is deceive and deflect.
 
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el Jeffe said:
So it appears that the bottom line for the left is not Trump’s policies or decisions but simply his personality. I doubt anyone who hates Trump is better off today than they were in October 2020. Yet despite the financial setbacks they and their families are suffering, the proven weaponization of the FBI to collude with Hillary to sway an election, repeatedly and continually being lied to by their representatives, the intel agencies and bureaucrats they still hate the man basically because of his tweets. His policies regarding immigration, the economy, national security and crime left them much, much better off than Biden but they still want to burn Trump at the stake. People that let emotions and feelings rule their lives will always be unhappy. At what point do they finally apply rational thought to their lives?
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WTH are you talking about? The few people who answered your question gave laundry lists of reasons. Nobody that I saw gave you an answer that can be remotely construed as "bottom line is it's his personality."

Your interpretation of events is laughable. Trump did absolutely nothing to solve the immigration crisis. He made gestures and played politics. He had some OK policies with regard to the economy, but his bad actions/ideas outweighed the good. He inherited an economy that was experiencing bona fide GDP growth from the private sector and by his 2nd year, growth was fake (GDP growth came from government spending). And then he was the initial catalyst for the inflation we are seeing with his bailouts and emergency spending. I have no idea why you're giving him any credit for national security. What was different in 2020 vs. 2016 or 2022? I don't remember so many riots before or after Trump, so there is that.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You seem confident. What do you know about what's in those boxes and why Trump wouldn't turn them over to the archives that we don't?
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When was the last time you seen an elite , NOT THE SCAPEGOAT, go to jail ? My other question is .. as much as you hate orange even you have enough logic to know that Trump isn’t just stumbling around in the dark like a drunk and getting lucky every single time the establishment tries to pin something on him . You don’t have to like him to understand that whoever he’s getting legal advise from is good enough to fend off the might of the DC elites , every single Intelligence agency we have and some of the most powerful politicians that’s ever held office . He , his attorneys and his confidants , I’m sure know exactly what was in the safe at his resort , they are the ones that agreed to put the locks on the safe from what I read . The FBI didn’t . He’s safe , his locks , his attorneys .. Do you really think there’s a smoking gun in those boxes ? 😂
 
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0nelilreb said:
When was the last time you seen an elite , NOT THE SCAPEGOAT, go to jail ? My other question is .. as much as you hate orange even you have enough logic to know that Trump isn’t just stumbling around in the dark like a drunk and getting lucky every single time the establishment tries to pin something on him . You don’t have to like him to understand that whoever he’s getting legal advise from is good enough to fend off the might of the DC elites , every single Intelligence agency we have and some of the most powerful politicians that’s ever held office . He , his attorneys and his confidants , I’m sure know exactly what was in the safe at his resort , they are the ones that agreed to put the locks on the safe from what I read . The FBI didn’t . He’s safe , his locks , his attorneys .. Do you really think there’s a smoking gun in those boxes ? 😂
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Whooooaaaaa, first of all, you cannot seriously claim that Trump is getting good legal advice. He has since the beginning been advised by lawyers who simply told him what he wanted to hear. He fired everyone else. Trump cannot stand the least bit of dissent. This is well documented from people who were there .... and then out because they had the temerity to say "no, not a good idea."
 
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lawgator1 said:
Whooooaaaaa, first of all, you cannot seriously claim that Trump is getting good legal advice. He has since the beginning been advised by lawyers who simply told him what he wanted to hear. He fired everyone else. Trump cannot stand the least bit of dissent. This is well documented from people who were there .... and then out because they had the temerity to say "no, not a good idea."
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You better take a macro view with this. Not good for our nation.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Whooooaaaaa, first of all, you cannot seriously claim that Trump is getting good legal advice. He has since the beginning been advised by lawyers who simply told him what he wanted to hear. He fired everyone else. Trump cannot stand the least bit of dissent. This is well documented from people who were there .... and then out because they had the temerity to say "no, not a good idea."
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Think of everything that has been brought to bear against him , there’s a reason why anytime something new comes up the first response is always .. “ you got him this time “ . Now we have 3 choices here ..1) - he’s a fricken genius (2) - he’s just stumbling around like drunk in the dark and every single person / agency that’s gone after him in completely and utterly inept (3) - he’s gotten some really good advise that’s allowed him to keep on being Trump . You pick which one it is .
 
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el Jeffe said:
So it appears that the bottom line for the left is not Trump’s policies or decisions but simply his personality. I doubt anyone who hates Trump is better off today than they were in October 2020. Yet despite the financial setbacks they and their families are suffering, the proven weaponization of the FBI to collude with Hillary to sway an election, repeatedly and continually being lied to by their representatives, the intel agencies and bureaucrats they still hate the man basically because of his tweets. His policies regarding immigration, the economy, national security and crime left them much, much better off than Biden but they still want to burn Trump at the stake. People that let emotions and feelings rule their lives will always be unhappy. At what point do they finally apply rational thought to their lives?
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I believe you could have written this conclusion before you ever asked the question.
For me, I don't care how good or bad his policies were (some of both), I would have despised him for the person he is.
That goes much deeper than personality. I've known great people with pretty crummy personalities and pretty crummy people with great personalities.
Trump is simply a horrible human being and that outweighs anything and everything else. (for me)

And I know a number of people better off today than they were 2 years ago - including me.
Finally, there still would have been plenty of people worse off today than they were in 2020 had Trump won...maybe more.
Trump's four years plus COVID equaled downturn and inflation regardless of who won.
 
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n_huffhines said:
WTH are you talking about? The few people who answered your question gave laundry lists of reasons. Nobody that I saw gave you an answer that can be remotely construed as "bottom line is it's his personality."

Your interpretation of events is laughable. Trump did absolutely nothing to solve the immigration crisis. He made gestures and played politics. He had some OK policies with regard to the economy, but his bad actions/ideas outweighed the good. He inherited an economy that was experiencing bona fide GDP growth from the private sector and by his 2nd year, growth was fake (GDP growth came from government spending). And then he was the initial catalyst for the inflation we are seeing with his bailouts and emergency spending. I have no idea why you're giving him any credit for national security. What was different in 2020 vs. 2016 or 2022? I don't remember so many riots before or after Trump, so there is that.
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He threatened Mexico with tariffs if they didn't crack down on migrant caravans. Mexico did then make an effort to do so. The wall is better than nothing, though I would have sent the national guard and put up razor wire.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Think of everything that has been brought to bear against him , there’s a reason why anytime something new comes up the first response is always .. “ you got him this time “ . Now we have 3 choices here ..1) - he’s a fricken genius (2) - he’s just stumbling around like drunk in the dark and every single person / agency that’s gone after him in completely and utterly inept (3) - he’s gotten some really good advise that’s allowed him to keep on being Trump . You pick which one it is .
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Lets think about this rationally. If things were going so great with Biden..no one would care about Trump.
 
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norrislakevol said:
He threatened Mexico with tariffs if they didn't crack down on migrant caravans. Mexico did then make an effort to do so. The wall is better than nothing, though I would have sent the national guard and put up razor wire.
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He put his finger on a few leaks for a few years. That's not solving anything. I can't say with any degree of confidence that we have fewer illegals in the USA right now than we would have without Donald Trump, and if we do, it seems like our work force could use them right about now.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Think of everything that has been brought to bear against him , there’s a reason why anytime something new comes up the first response is always .. “ you got him this time “ . Now we have 3 choices here ..1) - he’s a fricken genius (2) - he’s just stumbling around like drunk in the dark and every single person / agency that’s gone after him in completely and utterly inept (3) - he’s gotten some really good advise that’s allowed him to keep on being Trump . You pick which one it is .
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It took Edison over 1000 attempts before people were actually able to see the light.
 
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n_huffhines said:
He put his finger on a few leaks for a few years. That's not solving anything. I can't say with any degree of confidence that we have fewer illegals in the USA right now than we would have without Donald Trump, and if we do, it seems like our work force could use them right about now.
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You might be changing your tune about that in the next 18 months or so.
 
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