Trump vs Pelosi and Schumer

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Carl Pickens said:
Sounds like a great idea to me. '72 will have it at his place in the mountains... Airvol will bring the liquor... Dink will bring the drugs and whores....since it's the end of the world...I'll be the bigger man and invite Grand.... he'll bring the guns .... what other party favors am I missing?
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Someone to shoot at. Lg
 
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Septic said:
It's a good point, had a GOP congress AND Senate and now suddenly there is a wall funding crisis.

F it, shut it down. I want to see the Art of the Deal Don impose his will like the take no prisoners gangster he is.
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2 years of handwringing twaddlerepubs doing nothing. Makes me ill. Trump is just trying to force their hands.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Zero, the number of flying f***s given.
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I don’t care how much Obama, bush fill in the blank president went golfing. I don’t care how much trump golfs. When you hold the #1 job in the world, taking mental breaks are necessary evil.
I’m not sure who started giving a crap about this...take their off days away and their vacations and see how they fair. Much ado about nothing.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Sounds like a great idea to me. '72 will have it at his place in the mountains... Airvol will bring the liquor... Dink will bring the drugs and whores....since it's the end of the world...I'll be the bigger man and invite Grand.... he'll bring the guns .... what other party favors am I missing?
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If the world is ending, I don't need to fix my gutters and vent pipes that the snow destroyed. Grand won't show if he knows it's my place. He is still mad at me for poking fun at his rants.
 
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I would like to take this time to apologize to all the libs in here... I know you all made plans to visit your favorite federal institutions this week, so sorry you will not be able to visit that special museum or national park today. Bless your hearts.
 
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This meeting this afternoon will no doubt win over the needed Democratic votes.

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This year concludes the same way it began: with a partial shutdown of the federal government. There is no doubt that President Donald Trump is primarily responsible for this shutdown – less than two weeks ago, during a nationally televised meeting in the Oval Office, he explicitly said so himself.

“If we don’t get what we want,” said Trump, “I will shut down the government. And I’ll tell you what, I am proud to shut down the government for border security, [Sen. Chuck Schumer]… I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame you for it … I will take the mantle of shutting down.”

Not a whole lot of wiggle room there: this is clearly a Trump Shutdown. But the president was bolstered by support from his allies in the House Republican Conference and their retiring leader, House Speaker Paul Ryan. While the Senate did its job and unanimously passed a continuing resolution that would have kept the government open and prevented the shutdown, Ryan refused to allow a vote on similar legislation, allowing the electorally-disgraced House Republican majority to create one last pointless budget crisis on its way out the door.

It’s a fitting end for a group that has been a budgetary disaster since the moment it first took control in 2011. Less than eight months into their tenure, House Republicans brought the United States to the brink of defaulting on our national debt for the first time in history, resulting in the government’s credit rating being downgraded from AAA to AA+. Two years later, they shut down the government for 16 days after President Obama refused to let them take the American people’s health care hostage. And for six years, instead of addressing the real drivers of our national debt, House Republicans forced reckless cuts to critical public investments that undermined the long-term health of our economy.

But it wasn’t until Republicans gained unified control of the U.S. House, Senate, and presidency in 2017 that the wheels really came off the wagon. The shutdown that began at midnight is the third shutdown this year. At no point in the last four decades has the federal government shut down thrice in one year, nor has it shut down even once during that period when one party had unified control of the federal government. That both happened in 2018 is a testament to the ineptitude of the Trump administration and its allies in the 115th Congress.

This is a particularly sorry end for Speaker Ryan himself. When Ryan’s predecessor, former Speaker John Boehner, announced his resignation in September 2015, he responsibly “cleaned out the barn” for his successor by allowing the House to vote on a bill that prevented another shutdown over the objections of his conference’s most extreme members. Had Speaker Ryan – who, less than two weeks from retirement, similarly has nothing to lose by defying the far right – simply put the Senate bill up for a vote, it almost certainly would have passed and landed on Trump’s desk. But instead, Ryan chose to aid and abet Trump’s latest tantrum by blocking a vote on a commonsense stopgap, creating yet another unnecessary crisis in 2018.

Perhaps nobody should be surprised. Time after time, Speaker Ryan has refused to do anything meaningful that would rein in Trump’s worst impulses. But it’s Ryan’s epic fiscal mismanagement that is particularly astonishing, given that he’s tried to brand himself as one of the most fiscally responsible members of Congress since before he became chairman of the House Budget Committee in 2011.

As soon as Ryan became Speaker and had real power to rein in deficits, he instead made them substantially worse. On this day last year, a massive tax cut spearheaded by Speaker Ryan was signed into law, which the official scorekeepers at the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office now estimate will add over $2 trillion to the national debt over the next decade. Two months later, Ryan presided over the passage of unpaid-for legislation that spent more money on domestic programs than President Obama proposed in his final budget while also spending more money on Defense than was requested by President Trump.

The result: next year’s budget deficit will now be roughly $1 trillion – nearly 70% larger than the $596 billion deficit projected by CBO when Ryan ascended to the Speakership in 2015. Moreover, Speaker Ryan’s failure to tackle the nation’s long-term fiscal challenges means that the federal government will never again run an annual budget deficit of less than $1 trillion if current policies remain in place.

Thankfully, the American people decided they finally had enough of the GOP’s dismal leadership and ousted them from power in last month’s election. When the 116th Congress convenes, many of its members will be replaced by several dozen freshmen in the Democratic Caucus who campaigned on being far more responsible stewards of the federal budget – surely the new majority will vote to reopen the government immediately if the outgoing Congress does not. But one thing is crystal clear: it just wouldn’t have been a proper end for the House GOP without throwing one last tantrum before the adults get put back in charge.

A Fitting End For Disgraceful House Republicans
 
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NEVolFan said:
I would like to take this time to apologize to all the libs in here... I know you all made plans to visit your favorite federal institutions this week, so sorry you will not be able to visit that special museum or national park today. Bless your hearts.
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You want a mulligan on this one?
 
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Trump's going to be sitting in the White House in front of the TV all week, trying to figure out how to get a "win," when he could have been golfing in Florida.

Sad.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Trump's going to be sitting in the White House in front of the TV all week, trying to figure out how to get a "win," when he could have been golfing in Florida.

Sad.
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The renegotiated Nafta should make it through congress but they have something on their plate at the moment.
 
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luthervol said:
There is absolutely no comparison between Trump and the others. Trump is in a class of one.
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I'd like to discuss this statement.

To begin discussion, please answer how you feel about Saul Alinsky and his book "Rules for Radicals"? From that answer, we can discuss whether there is any comparison between Trump, Obama and Hillary Clinton (most of the leftists, actually, but for simplicity we'll confine the comparisons between those three).
 
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1972 Grad said:
He will say that he has never heard of it.
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Perhaps, but I won't believe him. I am forced to consider the possibility/probability that anything he says is a lie, since he defended the ethics of lying to fulfil one's goal (just as Alinsky taught).

What I find intriguing is that Hillary Clinton has repeatedly expressed her admiration for Alinsky and his principles. She did her senior thesis on him and his principles, and actually wrote to him expressing her admiration and asking for new books (to which he sent her a copy of RfR and then offered her a job).

Obama actually taught workshops in his community organizer days, teaching local community organizers to implement all of RfR rules and principles.

Bernie Sanders sat on the board of a community organization that Alinsky founded, and that's known for implementing his principles.

And I could take Trump's campaign activities that Luther screeds about right back to Alinsky's RfR. As a matter of fact, trump is using the Leftist playbook against them, and they're melting down about it.

As a matter of fact, whether it's a purposed and knowing application of RfR by Luther, or whether he's just a dumb parrot furthering the leftist agenda of implementing RfR, Luther's very appeals to ethics and morality against Trump is a RfR principle.

In the appendix to "Rules for Radicals", Alinsky gives his rules for "the ethics of means and ends". The long and short of it is that the only ethics are that which supports the ends. Anything that is useful and successful was ethical. Anything that does not support the desired end is unethical. As would make sense, one of his rules is:

"Any effective means is automatically judged by the opposition as being unethical."

Note Luther and the leftists reactions. They defend everything the left does and castigate Trump/conservatives. Why? because the playbook of the left is to vilify the enemy and call any of their successful actions to be "unethical". To luther. it's not lying that's unethical. It's success by the enemy that's unethical. :Lying is ethical when it helps the leftist agenda, but unethical when it hurts it. It's not the act that's wrong, it's the effect of the act.

So, when Luther calls trump "the worst of the worst" and in a class by himself for lying more than Hillary/Obama/Sanders, he's not actually making that argument. When Trump lies to further his agenda (accomplish his ends), he's not actually being immoral or unethical in lying. He's actually performing a positive ideal from the leftist perspective. What they are complaining about is that Trump is doing what the left teach/do, but apparently doing it more, better, or more transparently.

The left just has to immediately call it unethical because it's an enemy success.

The radical left doesn't have an ethic like normal people do. To them, you're unethical for having a different end in mind, and you're evil if you try to get in the way of their ends. Anything they do to stop you is ethical and anything you do to further your agenda is evil.
 
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