TrumpPutingate III: the beginning of the end

[luthervol]

Yep, most certainly don’t understand the military. Most of the rank and file would refuse such orders.

I hang my hat on the concept that good people will refuse improper or illegal orders. That's why the time for good repub or two to stand up is now.

 

[Grand Vol]

Not a coup, dummies.

Hold a presser. Say your oath requires that you resign and explain that Trump is out of control, trying to block the investigation by attacking good men at the FBI and you refuse to play a role.

Kind of like what happened with Sally Yates?

Oh, wait...

Yeah, she got fired with cause. Yet, I find it completely amusing that she's become some kind of figure for the rallying cry of Democrats. It doesn't matter she openly defied her boss, the President of the United States. He was WRONG to fire her!

I'm gonna go with the "but, Obama..." tangent here a moment and say if this situation had happened under his watch, the openly biased media would have proclaimed Obama as the greatest leader since George ****ing Washington himself and how that stupid acting Attorney General had it coming to them. Soon to be forgotten as they moved onto the next story out of Hollywood.

 

[Squints]

I hang my hat on the concept that good people will refuse improper or illegal orders. That's why the time for good repub or two to stand up is now.

Just like the upstanding Dims who ensured the conviction of Shillary over Benghazi, pay-for-play and emails, right?

 

[Orange_Crush]

Not everyone, just the ones that have been gaslighted. That's sort of the whole point.

The actual point that you ignored yesterday was that you made the gaslighting accusation then had to immediately admit that you don't know what's fact or fiction and rely on confirmation-bias sources as well.

The actual point is that you made that grandiose indictment of the nation while having to admit that you aren't the one to make that call. lol

One would think that, one day, you'd learn to get off your stump, think, self-examine, and be quiet a bit more often.

But no...

 

[Grand Vol]

I hang my hat on the concept that good people will refuse improper or illegal orders. That's why the time for good repub or two to stand up is now.

The rank and file also understand the election process and understand the President was elected in accordance with the laws of this nation. And your side has offered zero proof otherwise.

Maybe you need a new spokesman since Auntie Maxine isn't getting is done. Sheila Jackson Lee maybe?

 

[hog88]

I'd prefer a roadster or sedan.

yeah, yeah I got my mistake.

 

[golfballs]

At this point, we need someone from the inside to stand up and do the right thing. Kelly, Mattis, Sesions. One of these guys needs to put an end to this.

Things are getting desperate

 

[OuterBanksVol]

Kind of like what happened with Sally Yates?

Oh, wait...

Yeah, she got fired with cause. Yet, I find it completely amusing that she's become some kind of figure for the rallying cry of Democrats. It doesn't matter she openly defied her boss, the President of the United States. He was WRONG to fire her!

I'm gonna go with the "but, Obama..." tangent here a moment and say if this situation had happened under his watch, the openly biased media would have proclaimed Obama as the greatest leader since George ****ing Washington himself and how that stupid acting Attorney General had it coming to them. Soon to be forgotten as they moved onto the next story out of Hollywood.

Actually, Yates told Trump she wouldn't implement his EO because it was unconstitutional. Turns out she was right given that courts have blocked it.

Perhaps you'd prefer a bunch of mindless drone "yes men" to work for Trump. McGahn thankfully proved that theory wrong and openly defied Trumps orders to fire Mueller - yet he wasn't fired. Curious indeed!

Selective reasoning on your part, obviously.

 

[hog88]

One example might be the Nunes memo. There is a very small percentage of people who feel the handling of the Nunes memo has been appropriate. The majority are increasingly seeing it for what it is.

Majority? You got something to back this up?

 

[hog88]

Actually, Yates told Trump she wouldn't implement his EO because it was unconstitutional. Turns out she was right given that courts have blocked it.

Perhaps you'd prefer a bunch of mindless drone "yes men" to work for Trump. McGahn thankfully proved that theory wrong and openly defied Trumps orders to fire Mueller - yet he wasn't fired. Curious indeed!

Selective reasoning on your part, obviously.

She was ultimately wrong and she was way out of line. She would have been fired by any POTUS for the same action.

 

[Grand Vol]

Actually, Yates told Trump she wouldn't implement his EO because it was unconstitutional. Turns out she was right given that courts have blocked it.

Perhaps you'd prefer a bunch of mindless drone "yes men" to work for Trump. McGahn thankfully proved that theory wrong and openly defied Trumps orders to fire Mueller - yet he wasn't fired. Curious indeed!

Selective reasoning on your part, obviously.

You mean the travel ban the SCOTUS upheld as legal?

 

[Orange_Crush]

GASLIGHTING - I thought it was an interesting concept and could see that it was Trump's and the right wing media's goal. But never in my wildest imagination did I think it would so easily and quickly succeed with so many people.

The inability of so many to distinguish between truth and fiction or legitimate vs. fake news is frightening. I'm curious it there will be a peak and then a move back toward a more enlightened populace or if we are doomed to become increasingly ignorant.

The article says that Trump may use the Nunes memo as a cover for firing Rosenstein. Trump's hand picked selection to replace Rosenstein would then fire Mueler. The article in no way insinuates that this is proper, just that it is the republican angle. All of it is based on the legitimacy of the Nunes memo. And we know how legitimate that is.

Do you? OK. Tell me how legitimate it is, and how you know.

Hardly legitimate at all. By compiling and analyzing the totality of all opinions of those that have seen the memo and understand the motivations behind its creation.

Plus, Nunes is a know partisan hack with no credibility.

So, you don't actually "know" what you claim to "know"?

You are merely inferring motives and taking the word of people who happen to confirm your internal biases while castigating people who don't.

After your "Gaslighting" post, and then having claimed knowledge that you don't have, you look like an amazing hypocrite.

Here's the point, luther. The point is that you soapbox without realizing what huge piles of manure you're stepping into.

 

[ajvol01]

One example might be the Nunes memo. There is a very small percentage of people who feel the handling of the Nunes memo has been appropriate. The majority are increasingly seeing it for what it is.

The majority of who? CNN viewers?

 

[IPleadInsanity]

Majority? You got something to back this up?

Majority of left. Same ones hoping for a Pelosi/Waters ticket.

 

[Grand Vol]

The majority of who? CNN viewers?

I'm still waiting on luther to explain how the Intel Committee was supposed to release the Democratic rebuttal to the Nunes memo when they weren't even allowed to read it.

Schiff should probably should allow them access before going on TV claiming partisanship. And the liberals on here should probably be asking themselves the same question I just asked.

 

[lawgator1]

Kind of like what happened with Sally Yates?

Oh, wait...

Yeah, she got fired with cause. Yet, I find it completely amusing that she's become some kind of figure for the rallying cry of Democrats. It doesn't matter she openly defied her boss, the President of the United States. He was WRONG to fire her!

I'm gonna go with the "but, Obama..." tangent here a moment and say if this situation had happened under his watch, the openly biased media would have proclaimed Obama as the greatest leader since George ****ing Washington himself and how that stupid acting Attorney General had it coming to them. Soon to be forgotten as they moved onto the next story out of Hollywood.

I think if one of those three said there's clear obstruction going on and they can't be a part, people would listen.

 

[Grand Vol]

I think if one of those three said there's clear obstruction going on and they can't be a part, people would listen.

Perhaps it's because they don't see clear obstruction...

Ever give common sense a try?

 

[Grand Vol]

I think if one of those three said there's clear obstruction going on and they can't be a part, people would listen.

And if we really want to talk about obstruction, let's talk about your obstructionist party.

Trump finally gives in slightly on DACA. Offers a path to citizenship for those trapped in that gray world of not having a country to call their own except the United States. Should be exactly what the DNC is looking for, right? In exchange for building a measly wall and enhanced border protections. Can't miss deal, right?

Nope, still not good enough. They will shoot themselves in the foot again because Schumer, Pelosi and company are idiots. And they will obstruct once again and let this opportunity of compromise pass.

 

[Orange_Crush]

One example might be the Nunes memo. There is a very small percentage of people who feel the handling of the Nunes memo has been appropriate. The majority are increasingly seeing it for what it is.

What is it? And how do you know?

 

[ajvol01]

Not a coup, dummies.

Hold a presser. Say your oath requires that you resign and explain that Trump is out of control, trying to block the investigation by attacking good men at the FBI and you refuse to play a role.

They're not good men LG.

They're DIRTY.

 

[lawgator1]

The Russia sanctions passed 419-3 and 98-2.

And Trump won't implement them. Remarkable.

 

[ajvol01]

I hang my hat on the concept that good people will refuse improper or illegal orders. That's why the time for good repub or two to stand up is now.

You assume they're not doing the right thing.

What happens when you find out they already have done the right thing and we're just now seeing the results unfold.

 

[OuterBanksVol]

You mean the travel ban the SCOTUS upheld as legal?

LOL. They haven't heard the case yet. Hogg and I still have an outstanding wager.

 

[Grand Vol]

LOL. They haven't heard the case yet. Hogg and I still have an outstanding wager.

Supreme Court Allows Trump Travel Ban to Take Effect - The New York Times

 

[OuterBanksVol]

And if we really want to talk about obstruction, let's talk about your obstructionist party.

Trump finally gives in slightly on DACA. Offers a path to citizenship for those trapped in that gray world of not having a country to call their own except the United States. Should be exactly what the DNC is looking for, right? In exchange for building a measly wall and enhanced border protections. Can't miss deal, right?

Nope, still not good enough. They will shoot themselves in the foot again because Schumer, Pelosi and company are idiots. And they will obstruct once again and let this opportunity of compromise pass.

Cool. Build the wall with Mexican money, as Trump promised.