Trump's false claims about disaster response are beyond the pale

[Sudden Impact]

It has been pretty much been said by all the victims and emergency personel that A) Fema is not bringing them supplies. B) That they have hindered efforts by civilians. C) That much of the military have been stuck without orders or a plan. yet you want to start with this "Both sides" and "using it to spread lies" How very convenient. Your right about them not caring about politics. However the complaints with thee lack of federal help, and poor planning, and hindering efforts is comingf rom EVERYWHERE in that region. I can understand why some people want to make arguments of "relativity", but the facts are there is ONE side in power, and they are the ones fing this up, wihile similtaniously blowing our money, supplies and efforts on illegals and wars over seas. It's NOT all relative. It is not all equal. This admin is accountable.

Forget the politics of it, MSM, Social Media, and Local News.

Both sides are using it for sound bites and the candidates and only talking about the downside...

That "they" have hindered civilian efforts. The "they" I assume you think it is FEMA in total. It is more than that, it could be State, Local, the victims themselves. It could be the civilians themselves without even realizing.

1. FEMA does not bring supplies but it is a coordinating agency. If you are waiting on FEMA to for a delivery of supplies it will come. Right at this moment, the first mission is to save lives, 2nd it is coordinate delivery of supplies to the most affected areas. Identifying Shelter, Transportation, rations. State Agencies are also working as well as locals PD, FD, Search, NG, Active Duty, and Rescue. You have volunteers as well so don't put this all on FEMA.

2. So out of all those agencies on the ground please tell me which one is redirecting supplies. Only thing a common person knows is FEMA. A lot of chaos on the ground and a lot of chiefs vs Indians. FEMA may say take X truck and send to Area X and joe Local PD may redirect to Area Y. Crap like this happens all the time in these type opns.

3. Which DEM/REP governor has stated that FEMA is not doing their Job. I seen several interviews with the Governors of each state and not one has blamed or criticized FEMA. They are in positions to know the overall status of their states and relief opns. If they don't know then they should not be Governors. Lee comments and he has been through this before as a Governor so he knows how this work.

4. This is a vast area of destruction and you are always going to find somebody not getting support or dissatisfied with the way things are going. More Agencies, local staffs and state agencies. Power lines, water, roads, communications, bridges all have to be identified and fixed. First and foremost is saving lives and getting supplies to the unreachable areas.

You make too many false assumptions and if you don't believe me get into your car and drive around in those areas of 5 states.

The last thing needed is a bunch of politicians and media roaming around in this mess looking for votes and opinions.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

Churches and large businesses have had no issues getting stuff through. They are aware of the normal protocol.

So the victims in the area, and the emergency personal on the ground asserting othersie are lying? On what evidence do you base that statement?

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

I see a lot of people desperately putting the heads in the sand and ignoring the reports on the ground by people there. You don't like the reports and so you discount them.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

So the victims in the area, and the emergency personal on the ground asserting othersie are lying? On what evidence do you base that statement?

Some have stated blatantly false facts. The $750 is a loan, that's all they are going to get, etc. Those are pretty easy to ferret out. You have a lot of people up there volunteering who are saying the exact opposite of what a few are reporting locally.

My opinion, and its just my opinion, FEMA is too shorthanded and was not fully prepared for this. Plan for the worse and hope for the best was not utilized here. That falls on the Biden admin.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

I see a lot of people desperately putting the heads in the sand and ignoring the reports on the ground by people there. You don't like the reports and so you discount them.

You have to look at reports for both sides of the argument, not just 1 side. You have to ignore reports on both sides that have obvious false statements in them. You need to get info from people who you know and trust that have been there and not those who may be spinning a political narrative on social media....

I suspect there is some truth, some misunderstanding, some lies, some political spinning, and some missing context that is being spread. On both sides....

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Our church sent up and distributed a large amount of relief supplies this week. Several there did mention it was poorly organized but none of the stuff about confiscation, etc....

Did they take it to another church? Fema can't touch the items at churches.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Did they take it to another church? Fema can't touch the items at churches.

No. We have good disaster response ministry that goes through right channels to bring what is needed/requested....

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Exclusive | FEMA abandons devastated NC town residents because they can’t drive around ‘road closed’ sign: ‘Nobody’s been bringing in supplies except civilians’

“At this point I don’t care if FEMA comes by. I don’t want somebody to pull me out of here, saying I’m working in an unsafe spot,” one resident said.

nypost.com

 

[Sudden Impact]

I see a lot of people desperately putting the heads in the sand and ignoring the reports on the ground by people there. You don't like the reports and so you discount them.

What evidence do you have of this? I am assuming you are not there, you never been in one of these events, and you don't understand how it works.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Did they take it to another church? Fema can't touch the items at churches.

You are trying to create a scenario that is just not there. Read what Mojo has stated he knows how it works. A lot of chaos and confusion on the ground with information of which politicians are looking for sound bites. Until you been in these environments the rule of thumb do you job.
Most of them do not know how this works, some do, but the ones walking around asking questions have no clue. My boss and Strom Thurman along with several others had a very pointed argument about relief opns and he was NOT a FEMA representative.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

You are trying to create a scenario that is just not there. Read what Mojo has stated he knows how it works. A lot of chaos and confusion on the ground with information of which politicians are looking for sound bites. Until you been in these environments the rule of thumb do you job.
Most of them do not know how this works, some do, but the ones walking around asking questions have no clue. My boss and Strom Thurman along with several others had a very pointed argument about relief opns and he was NOT a FEMA representative.

 

[UT_Dutchman]

I see a lot of people desperately putting the heads in the sand and ignoring the reports on the ground by people there. You don't like the reports and so you discount them.

They don't like the reports and the individuals needing help are right leaning so they disregard anything these individuals say. Truly pathetic.

 

[Sudden Impact]

I guess you found the sound bite you need for the entire 6 states. Have you ever been in disaster controlled area? I would suggest that volunteer for relief opns and go. It is tough on everybody involved.

Local law in some cases do not want the help from FEMA even though the Governor has requested it. It becomes territorial with everybody wanting to accomplish the mission and serving the needs of an area in need.

Greenlights given to FEMA all the way down to County level and that is were in some cases it becomes a territorial pissing contest. Yes, you are going to get this all day long. Is FEMA and the State EACs there to help yes. Are they accepted, not in all cases but they are just doing their jobs.

I think Tennessee has 8 counties qualified for FEMA assistance. TEMA is there also. 31 Counties in GA, 25 in NC so you are going to have incidents found in the media. South Carolina, Virginia don't have data. FL is unknown and may not have requested it. Unsure.

Uncomfortable situation for all concern. It is like letting a total stranger come in and start running you business that you have owned for 50 years.

 

[Sudden Impact]

They don't like the reports and the individuals needing help are right leaning so they disregard anything these individuals say. Truly pathetic.

Politics, Politics, Politics. It has no place in this operation, but you seem to think it does. This is not some run of the mill event. They see tell me how you see or anybody sees a Left or Right wing person. Ridiculous assumption and let me you in on something they are there to help, FEMA and State are there to give save lives, food, shelter, cloth provide safety to those in need. No matter the race, religion, politics or any other reason you can't seem to think of. You are the problem with statements like these. Next time a police officer pulls you over ask him if he is a Democrat or Republican see and wait.

 

[UT_Dutchman]

I see a lot of people desperately putting the heads in the sand and ignoring the reports on the ground by people there. You don't like the reports and so you discount them.

Politics, Politics, Politics. It has no place in this operation, but you seem to think it does. This is not some run of the mill event. They see tell me how you see or anybody sees a Left or Right wing person. Ridiculous assumption and let me you in on something they are there to help, FEMA and State are there to give save lives, food, shelter, cloth provide safety to those in need. No matter the race, religion, politics or any other reason you can't seem to think of. You are the problem with statements like these. Next time a police officer pulls you over ask him if he is a Democrat or Republican see and wait.

Reading comprehension is your friend, I just stated it was said earlier that some don't trust the accounts because it came from someone he they said leans right. Get it! I agree doesn't need to be in there, sorry I hurt your feels.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Reading comprehension is your friend, I just stated it was said earlier that some don't trust the accounts because it came from someone he they said leans right. Get it! I agree doesn't need to be in there, sorry I hurt your feels.

It doesn't meant for the other st Nick.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

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I guess you found the sound bite you need for the entire 6 states. Have you ever been in disaster controlled area? I would suggest that volunteer for relief opns and go. It is tough on everybody involved.

Local law in some cases do not want the help from FEMA even though the Governor has requested it. It becomes territorial with everybody wanting to accomplish the mission and serving the needs of an area in need.

Greenlights given to FEMA all the way down to County level and that is were in some cases it becomes a territorial pissing contest. Yes, you are going to get this all day long. Is FEMA and the State EACs there to help yes. Are they accepted, not in all cases but they are just doing their jobs.

I think Tennessee has 8 counties qualified for FEMA assistance. TEMA is there also. 31 Counties in GA, 25 in NC so you are going to have incidents found in the media. South Carolina, Virginia don't have data. FL is unknown and may not have requested it. Unsure.

Uncomfortable situation for all concern. It is like letting a total stranger come in and start running you business that you have owned for 50 years.

Number of reported deaths in Lincoln County, NC where the 500 bodybags were requested: 0

Hope it stays that way.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

What evidence do you have of this? I am assuming you are not there, you never been in one of these events, and you don't understand how it works.

This thread has literally 25 pages of links from people on the ground that live in those areas, and emergency personal working there. You have to be willingly blind to ignore the evidence.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Reading comprehension is your friend, I just stated it was said earlier that some don't trust the accounts because it came from someone he they said leans right. Get it! I agree doesn't need to be in there, sorry I hurt your feels.

There is blatant political posturing and manipulation on both sides out there. There is obvious truth as well. When you see obvious misrepresentations, the person is highly partisan (both sides). This ultimately hurts current and future victims.

Church staff is having to send emails, social media messages, and announcements to let the congregation know that our shipments are being coordinated with local agencies and are not being confiscated.

It might be the economy somrwhat, but we've never had this much difficulty getting supplies or volunteers to load/distribute....

 

[Sudden Impact]

This thread has literally 25 pages of links from people on the ground that live in those areas, and emergency personal working there. You have to be willingly blind to ignore the evidence.

6 states sounds about right, read above. FEMA is there to do a job, regardless of politics. State EMAs are with FEMA providing information and working with them regardless of politics. County officials are working with both FEMA, State EMAs to do there jobs regardless of politics. Chaos and confusion at local level but chances are they understand and are there to work with everybody.

They train for this, but sometimes you run into a local guy that does not listen and is territorial and it is personal for him which is understandable based on day to day contact.

Politicians come in or some local, neither understand and throw kinks in the system. Somebody on social media decides this is their time to shine and post something on the internet for 10 minutes of fame. So be it. You pick it up and run with it let the finger pointing begin more finger pointing and it is all political.

There honestly should be an maximum age limit for social media posts. You should not be allow to post on social media if you are over the age of 16.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

Fema has already countless times show how they do their job. Same thing hapopened in Puerto Rico they confiscated supplies and later 2020 residents found warehouses full of confiscated supplies never issued. Why? greed. Protecting their vendor list and the attached kickbacks. I do not recall anyone being fired over that. When Fema has a record of doing what is best they'll get credit for that. However given how Maui was handled, hjow the keys were handled, how Puerto Rico was handled and now this, there is zero reason to have faith in them doing their best, and not behaving like a nother criminal federal entity.

 

[Sgt_Nick_Fury]

 

[RavinDave]

anybody here remember Copperhill in the old days..all that strip mining was awful..just think to save the planet, we gotta rape the planet

Thirty years ago, I used to call on a large sulfuric acid producer in Copperhill. They originally recovered the sulfur from the ore roasting offgas. That mining and ore roasting operation created a huge canker in an otherwise beautiful area. They used to build big piles or ore layered with timber and light it up to melt the copper out, emitting huge clouds of acid gas that denuded a large swath of the adjacent forests.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Fema has already countless times show how they do their job. Same thing hapopened in Puerto Rico they confiscated supplies and later 2020 residents found warehouses full of confiscated supplies never issued. Why? greed. Protecting their vendor list and the attached kickbacks. I do not recall anyone being fired over that. When Fema has a record of doing what is best they'll get credit for that. However given how Maui was handled, hjow the keys were handled, how Puerto Rico was handled and now this, there is zero reason to have faith in them doing their best, and not behaving like a nother criminal federal entity.

You do realize the Governor of the State of Hawaii delayed his federal assistance request for 3+ days. Get a handle on it. Read a book, go to school, do what you got to do to get smart on this vs taking everything you read on the internet as gospel truth.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Let me add one more thing to your assumptions. It is not just FEMA, it is also the Governor, the State EMAs, the County EMAs, and the locals that you are calling out. A lot of this coordination goes State to State. FEMA can't confiscate a turd on the ground they have to have the State to do it but they will redirect with State if approved by both based on need. These agencies work together not against one another. Local EMAs requests as well through State EMAs. FEMA coordinates in conjunction with state and local EMAs.

Everytime you call out FEMA or use a video you are calling out State and local officials as well. If FEMA wanted to Confiscate goods in the area they would have to use Tennessee Highway Patrol to do so and the HWY Patrol is under the State EMA, TEMA. So there is no random confiscation by FEMA because they don't have the authority to do it and can't do it without State approval. So I ain't buying your BS.

Edit: Thanks for knocking off the cob webs in my brain.