Trump's false claims about disaster response are beyond the pale

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The last thing on anybody's mind in the affected areas is politics and who they are voting for come November. Both groups are using it as a prop to spread lies about the other. We are eating ourselves alive with all forms of media and politician's misdirections or outsiders BS with agendas. Some are created, some are half truths and some are lies.
Both sides use it for votes and counter misinformation.
Too many lies come out as truths and when the truth does come out it is countered with lies.
American Politics.
 
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Can anybody tell me what Congress is doing about this except for talking about it...
We should have been in a Govt Shutdown by now according to some.
Congress is campaigning when they could allocate spending as well in support of relief actions.
If you don't fix Congress equally, you will never fix the Government.
 
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CagleMtnVol said:
So is this guy telling lies?





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The lies I cited earlier by Trump were that aid was being withheld from Republican majority areas of North Carolina. That was flat out a lie. And he knew it.

And he would occasionally do the "some people are saying" garbage to try to give himself an out when, for example, Republican officials came forward and said Trump was lying. Yet again.

It's just such a tired refrain with Trump. It's all the time. Constant. Relentlessly lying.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The lies I cited earlier by Trump were that aid was being withheld from Republican majority areas of North Carolina. That was flat out a lie. And he knew it.

And he would occasionally do the "some people are saying" garbage to try to give himself an out when, for example, Republican officials came forward and said Trump was lying. Yet again.

It's just such a tired refrain with Trump. It's all the time. Constant. Relentlessly lying.
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Lmao .... Biden/Harris set the world on fire. But but Trump & his lies.
Same song & dance w/you with your TDS for 8 years now. Need new material.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
The last thing on anybody's mind in the affected areas is politics and who they are voting for come November. Both groups are using it as a prop to spread lies about the other. We are eating ourselves alive with all forms of media and politician's misdirections or outsiders BS with agendas. Some are created, some are half truths and some are lies.
Both sides use it for votes and counter misinformation.
Too many lies come out as truths and when the truth does come out it is countered with lies.
American Politics.
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It has been pretty much been said by all the victims and emergency personel that A) Fema is not bringing them supplies. B) That they have hindered efforts by civilians. C) That much of the military have been stuck without orders or a plan. yet you want to start with this "Both sides" and "using it to spread lies" How very convenient. Your right about them not caring about politics. However the complaints with thee lack of federal help, and poor planning, and hindering efforts is comingf rom EVERYWHERE in that region. I can understand why some people want to make arguments of "relativity", but the facts are there is ONE side in power, and they are the ones fing this up, wihile similtaniously blowing our money, supplies and efforts on illegals and wars over seas. It's NOT all relative. It is not all equal. This admin is accountable.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
It has been pretty much been said by all the victims and emergency personel that A) Fema is not bringing them supplies. B) That they have hindered efforts by civilians. C) That much of the military have been stuck without orders or a plan. yet you want to start with this "Both sides" and "using it to spread lies" How very convenient. Your right about them not caring about politics. However the complaints with thee lack of federal help, and poor planning, and hindering efforts is comingf rom EVERYWHERE in that region. I can understand why some people want to make arguments of "relativity", but the facts are there is ONE side in power, and they are the ones fing this up, wihile similtaniously blowing our money, supplies and efforts on illegals and wars over seas. It's NOT all relative. It is not all equal. This admin is accountable.
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Your last sentence is the point to take away. The buck stops with the Biden admin. At a minimum, they were caught flat footed (same group reaponsible for 7/13 and the border). For an agency where preparation is a key part of the job, they have failed.

I do question some of these "testimonials" since 99.9% are from people with right leaning postings and there is just some blatant falsehoods being reported. I do think the gov was caught off guard and unprepared and that has led to a lot of issues. Once again, that's their job to be ready. It should be a fireable offense for Mayorkas but heck he survived 7/13 so Biden/Harris does not care...
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Your last sentence is the point to take away. The buck stops with the Biden admin. At a minimum, they were caught flat footed (same group reaponsible for 7/13 and the border). For an agency where preparation is a key part of the job, they have failed.

I do question some of these "testimonials" since 99.9% are from people with right leaning postings and there is just some blatant falsehoods being reported. I do think the gov was caught off guard and unprepared and that has led to a lot of issues. Once again, that's their job to be ready. It should be a fireable offense for Mayorkas but heck he survived 7/13 so Biden/Harris does not care...
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I do realize that there are going to be some fake stories that come out of all od this but I know for a fact that Fema is doing some very shady things and if it weren't for volunteers a lot more lives would be lost. My sister lives near Asheville and she was telling me about a lady from her church who purchased around $1,000 worth of supplies to distribute to those in need and she had all of her supplies confiscated by FEMA. There are countless reports similar to this coming out
 
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VolinWayne said:
I do realize that there are going to be some fake stories that come out of all od this but I know for a fact that Fema is doing some very shady things and if it weren't for volunteers a lot more lives would be lost. My sister lives near Asheville and she was telling me about a lady from her church who purchased around $1,000 worth of supplies to distribute to those in need and she had all of her supplies confiscated by FEMA. There are countless reports similar to this coming out
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Our church sent up and distributed a large amount of relief supplies this week. Several there did mention it was poorly organized but none of the stuff about confiscation, etc....
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Your last sentence is the point to take away. The buck stops with the Biden admin. At a minimum, they were caught flat footed (same group reaponsible for 7/13 and the border). For an agency where preparation is a key part of the job, they have failed.

I do question some of these "testimonials" since 99.9% are from people with right leaning postings and there is just some blatant falsehoods being reported. I do think the gov was caught off guard and unprepared and that has led to a lot of issues. Once again, that's their job to be ready. It should be a fireable offense for Mayorkas but heck he survived 7/13 so Biden/Harris does not care...
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I mean 90% of the regions effected are very conservative areas. But if we can't rely on the testimonials of the victims and emergency personel in the region effected who can we trust? They are on the ground, and they are there, and I can't imagine they care about political narrative at the moment as much as they care about the crisis they are engulfed in.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Our church sent up and distributed a large amount of relief supplies this week. Several there did mention it was poorly organized but none of the stuff about confiscation, etc....
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So far this does appear to be the best method. Churches right now are less prone to confiscation, as Fema doesn't seem to have the same authority over religious organizations as they do over the supplies at schools etc. I dunno that they are truly protected, but so far most reports have said the Church efforts have had a better chance of getting through.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
I mean 90% of the regions effected are very conservative areas. But if we can't rely on the testimonials of the victims and emergency personel in the region effected who can we trust? They are on the ground, and they are there, and I can't imagine they care about political narrative at the moment as much as they care about the crisis they are engulfed in.
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These are two different issues. I was referring to federal aid and Trump's blatant lie that it was being withheld from areas primarily with GOP voters. That's just a blatant falsehood by him.

I cant speak to claims by individual persons who took it upon themselves to drive into the area with donated supplies and whether some worker bee in x town turned them away foolishly.
 
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lawgator1 said:
These are two different issues. I was referring to federal aid and Trump's blatant lie that it was being withheld from areas primarily with GOP voters. That's just a blatant falsehood by him.

I cant speak to claims by individual persons who took it upon themselves to drive into the area with donated supplies and whether some worker bee in x town turned them away foolishly.
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Then you literally have the worst reading comprehension of anyone I have ever seen. this entire thread is FULL Of facts and instances where these areas that are all primarily GOP voters with the exception of Ashville, have supplies being withheld by Fema. What he said is true. And the only thing blatently false here, is your assertion from the get go that it was false. 25 pages of examples so far, and your just like "Nope that didn't happen" The only blatant falshood here is your original post.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
So far this does appear to be the best method. Churches right now are less prone to confiscation, as Fema doesn't seem to have the same authority over religious organizations as they do over the supplies at schools etc. I dunno that they are truly protected, but so far most reports have said the Church efforts have had a better chance of getting through.
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Churches and large businesses have had no issues getting stuff through. They are aware of the normal protocol.

I was on the receiving end of a disaster last year and the last thing you need is disaster tourists, volunteers getting in over their heads taking up resources, or people donating unneeded crap.

There is a happy medium somewhere. That's why being prepared on the front end is key. And its safe to say, FEMA was not prepared in SC, TN, North GA, VA, and VA....
 
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