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Velo Vol said:
Sure, if a foreign government owns American property, it should be free to do whatever it wants on it. What could possibly go wrong?
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You do realize that's something that's been going on for decades? That a foreign embassy, consulate or housing is considered foreign soil for all intents and purposes?

And the same applies to the United States in other nations? You don't think our Embassies and Consulates haven't been used for intelligence gathering missions?
 
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Grand Vol said:
You do realize that's something that's been going on for decades? That a foreign embassy, consulate or housing is considered foreign soil for all intents and purposes?
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This isn't the embassy.

Anyway, this story isn't a big deal yet, as nothing has happened. Illustrates tone deafness more than anything.
 
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Velo Vol said:
This isn't the embassy.

Anyway, this story isn't a big deal yet, as nothing has happened. Illustrates tone deafness more than anything.
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"Or housing."

Property owned by a foreign government is included under those same treaties. What? Never watched Lethal Weapon 2?
 
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Grand Vol said:
"Or housing."

Property owned by a foreign government is included under those same treaties. What? Never watched Lethal Weapon 2?
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The U.S. expelled them from the country and seized those properties because those facilities were being used by the Russian FSB to gather signals intelligence.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Sure, if a foreign government owns American property, it should be free to do whatever it wants on it. What could possibly go wrong?
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Property rights are property rights. Stripping their diplomatic immunity takes care of their nefarious activities.
 
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carlos86 said:
The U.S. expelled them from the country and seized those properties because those facilities were being used by the Russian FSB to gather signals intelligence.
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Expelled 35 suspected members of Russian Intelligence services.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...917067331bb_story.html?utm_term=.ce91a0bbdc1b

The property is still owned by the Russian Government regardless if we "seized" it. Technically, it was never "seized" as such a thing (even though that's what nearly every news source says) would be an act of war. The US Government informed the Russian Government to close them up. Seize is not the correct term.

Velo Vol said:
Nope.

Movies aren't much of a legal resource.
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I was trying to break it down into Barney level info for you to understand.

Property owned by a foreign government and used for governmental purposes is often placed under the protection of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, specifically Article 22 and 30 (look it up), and is considered, for all intents and purposes, inviolate soil of said country. We, specifically government services, cannot step one foot on that property without invitation or permission as such things are considered hostile acts. Now, host nations have the ability to limit said property if it believes it to be used for nefarious purposes since such actions would violate said Convention.
 
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hog88 said:
Explain then.
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Grand Vol said:
I happen to know what I'm talking about. Wanna give me a try?
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hog88 said:
Taking them awhile to email you the right talking points?
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Grand Vol said:
He scurred of taking me on.

He knows I'll beat his ass like a bad redheaded stepchild.
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Sorry, had a lunch date.

To answer you, as noted above by me, the Russian access to those facilities is encumbered and regulated. That they own them does not change that.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...r-bucolic-resorts-russian-estates-may-be-both

Russia was ordered to vacate two compounds it owns in Maryland and New York, as part of the sanctions imposed Thursday by the White House to punish Russia for its meddling in last month's U.S. presidential election.
"They are compounds that the Russian government owns and that they use for multiple purposes .. .intelligence, but also recreational, as well," said a senior White House official in a call with press on Thursdsay. "And under the Foreign Missions Act, we have the authority to restrict their access to these properties based on their pattern of behavior."
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So, for you simpletons, let's compare.

The money and other securities were owned, unencumbered by any significant restrictions, by the Iranians. We seized it and held it, then released it.

The spy facilities were owned by the Russians, but subject to the United States' right to bar access to them under federal law.

We exercised out right under that law to kick them out, but Trump wants to let them back in. To their spy facilities.


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Gif exemplifies my life as a hubby and father. I make money but the stack never increases.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Sorry, had a lunch date.

To answer you, as noted above by me, the Russian access to those facilities is encumbered and regulated. That they own them does not change that.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...r-bucolic-resorts-russian-estates-may-be-both




So, for you simpletons, let's compare.

The money and other securities were owned, unencumbered by any significant restrictions, by the Iranians. We seized it and held it, then released it.

The spy facilities were owned by the Russians, but subject to the United States' right to bar access to them under federal law.

We exercised out right under that law to kick them out, but Trump wants to let them back in. To their spy facilities.


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I believe we paid interest on the money to Iran.

Also, seems while we may not be under obligation to allow Russia back onto these properties if we choose not to then they should be compensated financially.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Sorry, had a lunch date.

To answer you, as noted above by me, the Russian access to those facilities is encumbered and regulated. That they own them does not change that.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...r-bucolic-resorts-russian-estates-may-be-both

So, for you simpletons, let's compare.

The money and other securities were owned, unencumbered by any significant restrictions, by the Iranians. We seized it and held it, then released it.

The spy facilities were owned by the Russians, but subject to the United States' right to bar access to them under federal law.

We exercised out right under that law to kick them out, but Trump wants to let them back in. To their spy facilities.
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Umm, have you read my posts the past page and a half or so?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Not really, I just saw people complaining I had not answered them.
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Pretty much said the same thing you just said without having a big chested avi and the gif.

Didn't address Iran specifically either except for that first post. To which I stand that what the Iranians allowed to happen was worse.
 
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barrylee said:
If you believe this there is really no use in attempting to have a conversation with you. You and others like you will not believe evidence when it does come forth.
I'll be back when it hits and don't kid yourself, it's coming!
Never thought I could have more in common with a Gator than most Vol fans but it has come to be..
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CNN ran a completely made up story about the president and golden showers.... why would anyone trust them?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Pretty much said the same thing you just said without having a big chested avi and the gif.

Didn't address Iran specifically either except for that first post. To which I stand that what the Iranians allowed to happen was worse.
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All I got out of the above is that you should change your avi.
 
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volinbham said:
I believe we paid interest on the money to Iran.

Also, seems while we may not be under obligation to allow Russia back onto these properties if we choose not to then they should be compensated financially.
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We can deduct it from the Trump hotel money that he's depositing into the treasury. [wink wink]
 
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Turned in Fox's main new show at 6.

It wasn't until 6:14 (I looked) that they mentioned that Comey is slated to testify on Trump interference in the Flynn investigation. The first 30 seconds were people spewing the company line that there's a difference between him doing something wrong, versus him doing something illegal. One guy interviewed said huge difference between him doing something "just against the country's interests" but not illegal.

What? That's the answer? He acted unethically and hurt the country's interests, but that's okay?

The next 30 seconds were about an investigation to the "unmasking scandal."

Hilarious.
 
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