TrumPutinGate

[Obsessed]

This is not a partisan issue. The issue is why Donald Trump refuses to acknowledge that Russia did meddle in the 2016 Presidential election and that he does so while overseas and in complete defiance of our intelligence community and just prior to a meeting with the Russian President.

Are you serious?

 

[Obsessed]

that makes us look stupid as a country as that we have millions of goobers who voted for Donald Trump.

They didnt vote for him.. remember the Russians did it.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Another shoe drops. Donald Jr. met with Kremlin-linked lawyer during campaign, brought Kushner and Manafort to the meeting--neither of whom later disclosed the meeting. Donald jr. organized meeting but claims he didn't know who the meeting was with? Seriously? Did they only talk about adoption policy? You'd LIKE to believe that, wouldn't you? Fake news? Everybody confirms the meeting--they have to now.

And the simpletons wave it off....ALL these Russian meetings! All the Trump fawning over Putin. All these campaign officials with ties to Russia. All a coincidence. A Russian-linked Cyprus bank that laundered stolen Russian money by investing in New York real estate. Trump is a new york real estate developer, yes? National Security Advisor Flynn taking $65K from a Russian company and not reporting it. It's ALL nothing, right.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/08/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort.html

They probably just talked about their grandchildren

 

[Carl Pickens]

that makes us look stupid as a country as that we have millions of goobers who voted for Donald Trump.

Dude.... you do an excellent job of making yourself look stupid all on your own

 

[FLVOL69]

Another shoe drops. Donald Jr. met with Kremlin-linked lawyer during campaign, brought Kushner and Manafort to the meeting--neither of whom later disclosed the meeting. Donald jr. organized meeting but claims he didn't know who the meeting was with? Seriously? Did they only talk about adoption policy? You'd LIKE to believe that, wouldn't you? Fake news? Everybody confirms the meeting--they have to now.

And the simpletons wave it off....ALL these Russian meetings! All the Trump fawning over Putin. All these campaign officials with ties to Russia. All a coincidence. A Russian-linked Cyprus bank that laundered stolen Russian money by investing in New York real estate. Trump is a new york real estate developer, yes? National Security Advisor Flynn taking $65K from a Russian company and not reporting it. It's ALL nothing, right.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/08/us/politics/trump-russia-kushner-manafort.html

@

 

[BowlBrother85]

Are you serious?

No, I'm f***ing with you.

If you dispute something... state your beef. "Are you serious?" is not an argument.

 

[Obsessed]

No, I'm f***ing with you.

If you dispute something... state your beef. "Are you serious?" is not an argument.

Obama knew about the Russians prior to the election. He did nothing. Anticipated hillarys win. And when that didn't happen, here we are...

So your original comment about Trump, belongs to obama.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Obama knew about the Russians prior to the election. He did nothing. Anticipated hillarys win. And when that didn't happen, here we are...

So your original comment about Trump, belongs to obama.

Obama isn't the one denying Russia's involvement in the meddling into the 2016 Presidential election. Obama isn't the one who has a campaign under investigation for colluding with this meddling. For reasons which are unclear, Trump still refuses to acknowledge that Russia was responsible. He continues to say things like, "It could have been China... it could have been other countries... it could have been other people... nobody really knows for sure." This is a slap in the face to our intelligence community and he does it while speaking to an international audience and just prior to a meeting with Putin.

Over the last year, Trump has gone out of his way to defend Putin and Russia. Example: "Are we so innocent?" when asked about human rights abuses in Russia. This is confounding even to those who try to defend him. Coupled with the mounting number of undisclosed meetings and connections between Trump officials (primarily Flynn but not limited to him) and Russia and you have an investigation. There could be nothing here but those of you calling this a 'witch hunt' are misguided by your partisanship. It is suspicious.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Obama isn't the one denying Russia's involvement in the meddling into the 2016 Presidential election. Obama isn't the one who has a campaign under investigation for colluding with this meddling. For reasons which are unclear, Trump still refuses to acknowledge that Russia was responsible. He continues to say things like, "It could have been China... it could have been other countries... it could have been other people... nobody really knows for sure." This is a slap in the face to our intelligence community and he does it while speaking to an international audience and just prior to a meeting with Putin.

Over the last year, Trump has gone out of his way to defend Putin and Russia. Example: "Are we so innocent?" when asked about human rights abuses in Russia. This is confounding even to those who try to defend him. Coupled with the mounting number of undisclosed meetings and connections between Trump officials (primarily Flynn but not limited to him) and Russia and you have an investigation. There could be nothing here but those of you calling this a 'witch hunt' are misguided by your partisanship. It is suspicious.

Cough... cough..... lmao

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cruh2p_Wh_4

 

[BowlBrother85]

Cough... cough..... lmao

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cruh2p_Wh_4

Once again, nobody is saying that vote totals were changed or that mass amounts of illegal votes were cast in the 2016 election. That is what Obama was obviously talking about with his speech about rigging - which Trump had raised by the way. The subject here is that Russia meddled in the 2016 campaign through their hacking of DNC servers and the dissemination of 'fake news' (as James Clapper defined it - not Trump). Trump continues his refusal to acknowledge a conclusion reached by our intelligence community which is not currently being disputed by any Republican members of Congress and was just reaffirmed by UN Ambassador Nikki Haley who is herself a former Republican governor. That it was Russia who was solely responsible for this meddling.

 

[Grand Vol]

Once again, nobody is saying that vote totals were changed or that mass amounts of illegal votes were cast in the 2016 election. That is what Obama was obviously talking about with his speech about rigging - which Trump had raised by the way. The subject here is that Russia meddled in the 2016 campaign through their hacking of DNC servers and the dissemination of 'fake news' (as James Clapper defined it - not Trump). Trump continues his refusal to acknowledge a conclusion reached by our intelligence community which is not currently being disputed by any Republican members of Congress and was just reaffirmed by UN Ambassador Nikki Haley who is herself a former Republican governor. That it was Russia who was solely responsible for this meddling.

This the same intelligence report from the same government agencies that haven't been allowed access to the servers that got hacked and are relying on third party data from a known DNC contributor?

Want to make sure my facts are straight here.

 

[armchair]

Once again, nobody is saying that vote totals were changed or that mass amounts of illegal votes were cast in the 2016 election. That is what Obama was obviously talking about with his speech about rigging - which Trump had raised by the way. The subject here is that Russia meddled in the 2016 campaign through their hacking of DNC servers and the dissemination of 'fake news' (as James Clapper defined it - not Trump). Trump continues his refusal to acknowledge a conclusion reached by our intelligence community which is not currently being disputed by any Republican members of Congress and was just reaffirmed by UN Ambassador Nikki Haley who is herself a former Republican governor. That it was Russia who was solely responsible for this meddling.

with these guys. They're in their own alternate universe and almost never respond intelligently to anything--because they can't. They're still trying to pretend that Clinton was evil.

We have a president who's been briefed repeatedly by our intelligence services on this issue, told by the CIA and NSA that Russia hacked DNC and other services, planted fake stories on social-media websites, etc.--and Trump is still PUBLICLY defending a Russian dictator who is f--king with our country. And the country folk here don't seem to think there is a problem. Trump goes to Europe and LIES about the possibility of other countries being involved--again, trying to wave off an attack on our own sovereignty. Former intelligence chief Clapper said yesterday that NO OTHER COUNTRIES were involved. This is treasonous behavior by our own president! He goes around trying to blame the victims--tries to blame Obama and the Democrats. The man is a /true/ Manchurian candidate--yea, go look it up.

Why? Clearly Trump has private financial ties to Russia that he wants to protect and hide --ties that he has yet to reveal and that he's lied about. But we know Russians have invested heavily in some if not many of his properties. It's almost certain that a lot of the money was dirty and laundered via investments in Trump properties.

No concrete evidence? There is plenty of evidence--much of it circumstantial--but it continues to accumulate. Flynn took $65K from a Russian company and failed to report it. That's concrete. This meeting during the campaign with a Kremlin-linked lawyer.....concrete. Manafort's ties to Russia--concrete. We also know that the Trumpsters were telling Russia that the Ukraine-related sanctions would be lifted--Flynn told the Russian ambassador immediately after the election, and my bet is we'll find out that was communicated to Russian during the campaign, too. You realize, too, that when Trump met Putin, they broke with protocol and allowed no note-taking during their meeting--there were only four (maybe six) people total in the room. It is customary for notes to be taken when two foreign leaders have a sit-down. No note-taking. And let's not forget the crystal clear obstruction of justice that Trump has engaged in by firing the FBI chief and then admitting it was because of the Russia investigation, among other attempts to end the investigation. That is impeachable--but not by GOP pansies.

We don't know if there was direct quid-pro-quo between the Trump campaign and the Russians, but there was some $hit going down, it's STILL going down, and it is not in America's best interest. More is bound to come out. Trump is dirty, shady--he's always been that way--but his defenders want to believe he's some innocent being unfairly hounded by CNN. Oh, my. Trump supporters are EXACTLY like Putin's Russian supporters--they've lost their ethical compass.

 

[samanderson]

with these guys. They're in their own alternate universe and almost never respond intelligently to anything--because they can't. They're still trying to pretend that Clinton was evil.

We have a president who's been briefed repeatedly by our intelligence services on this issue, told by the CIA and NSA that Russia hacked DNC and other services, planted fake stories on social-media websites, etc.--and Trump is still PUBLICLY defending a Russian dictator who is f--king with our country. And the country folk here don't seem to think there is a problem. Trump goes to Europe and LIES about the possibility of other countries being involved--again, trying to wave off an attack on our own sovereignty. Former intelligence chief Clapper said yesterday that NO OTHER COUNTRIES were involved. This is treasonous behavior by our own president! He goes around trying to blame the victims--tries to blame Obama and the Democrats. The man is a /true/ Manchurian candidate--yea, go look it up.

Why? Clearly Trump has private financial ties to Russia that he wants to protect and hide --ties that he has yet to reveal and that he's lied about. But we know Russians have invested heavily in some if not many of his properties. It's almost certain that a lot of the money was dirty and laundered via investments in Trump properties.

No concrete evidence? There is plenty of evidence--much of it circumstantial--but it continues to accumulate. Flynn took $65K from a Russian company and failed to report it. That's concrete. This meeting during the campaign with a Kremlin-linked lawyer.....concrete. Manafort's ties to Russia--concrete. We also know that the Trumpsters were telling Russia that the Ukraine-related sanctions would be lifted--Flynn told the Russian ambassador immediately after the election, and my bet is we'll find out that was communicated to Russian during the campaign, too. You realize, too, that when Trump met Putin, they broke with protocol and allowed no note-taking during their meeting--there were only four (maybe six) people total in the room. It is customary for notes to be taken when two foreign leaders have a sit-down. No note-taking. And let's not forget the crystal clear obstruction of justice that Trump has engaged in by firing the FBI chief and then admitting it was because of the Russia investigation, among other attempts to end the investigation. That is impeachable--but not by GOP pansies.

We don't know if there was direct quid-pro-quo between the Trump campaign and the Russians, but there was some $hit going down, it's STILL going down, and it is not in America's best interest. More is bound to come out. Trump is dirty, shady--he's always been that way--but his defenders want to believe he's some innocent being unfairly hounded by CNN. Oh, my. Trump supporters are EXACTLY like Putin's Russian supporters--they've lost their ethical compass.

And as all of this relates to Trump's performance at the G20 summit, we are no longer the leaders of the free world. Trump has abrogated that and Merkel has seized it. Not once in his speech in Poland did he use the word "democracy." Not once did you hear him use the word in Hamburg. He sucked up to Putin and got played like a fiddle. A lot of folks are calling this summit the G19 because our presence was essentially meaningless.

 

[FLVOL_79]

Obama isn't the one denying Russia's involvement in the meddling into the 2016 Presidential election. Obama isn't the one who has a campaign under investigation for colluding with this meddling. For reasons which are unclear, Trump still refuses to acknowledge that Russia was responsible. He continues to say things like, "It could have been China... it could have been other countries... it could have been other people... nobody really knows for sure." This is a slap in the face to our intelligence community and he does it while speaking to an international audience and just prior to a meeting with Putin.

Over the last year, Trump has gone out of his way to defend Putin and Russia. Example: "Are we so innocent?" when asked about human rights abuses in Russia. This is confounding even to those who try to defend him. Coupled with the mounting number of undisclosed meetings and connections between Trump officials (primarily Flynn but not limited to him) and Russia and you have an investigation. There could be nothing here but those of you calling this a 'witch hunt' are misguided by your partisanship. It is suspicious.

No one is denying meddling. The tangible outcome of said meddling is what is being denied..aka there is no tangible outcome.

Also there is no smoking gun Russia did anything still. Even the intelligence agencies say "We think its these people ...who may or may not have ties to these groups"..

 

[FLVOL_79]

with these guys. They're in their own alternate universe and almost never respond intelligently to anything--because they can't. They're still trying to pretend that Clinton was evil.

We have a president who's been briefed repeatedly by our intelligence services on this issue, told by the CIA and NSA that Russia hacked DNC and other services, planted fake stories on social-media websites, etc.--and Trump is still PUBLICLY defending a Russian dictator who is f--king with our country. And the country folk here don't seem to think there is a problem. Trump goes to Europe and LIES about the possibility of other countries being involved--again, trying to wave off an attack on our own sovereignty. Former intelligence chief Clapper said yesterday that NO OTHER COUNTRIES were involved. This is treasonous behavior by our own president! He goes around trying to blame the victims--tries to blame Obama and the Democrats. The man is a /true/ Manchurian candidate--yea, go look it up.

Why? Clearly Trump has private financial ties to Russia that he wants to protect and hide --ties that he has yet to reveal and that he's lied about. But we know Russians have invested heavily in some if not many of his properties. It's almost certain that a lot of the money was dirty and laundered via investments in Trump properties.

No concrete evidence? There is plenty of evidence--much of it circumstantial--but it continues to accumulate. Flynn took $65K from a Russian company and failed to report it. That's concrete. This meeting during the campaign with a Kremlin-linked lawyer.....concrete. Manafort's ties to Russia--concrete. We also know that the Trumpsters were telling Russia that the Ukraine-related sanctions would be lifted--Flynn told the Russian ambassador immediately after the election, and my bet is we'll find out that was communicated to Russian during the campaign, too. You realize, too, that when Trump met Putin, they broke with protocol and allowed no note-taking during their meeting--there were only four (maybe six) people total in the room. It is customary for notes to be taken when two foreign leaders have a sit-down. No note-taking. And let's not forget the crystal clear obstruction of justice that Trump has engaged in by firing the FBI chief and then admitting it was because of the Russia investigation, among other attempts to end the investigation. That is impeachable--but not by GOP pansies.

We don't know if there was direct quid-pro-quo between the Trump campaign and the Russians, but there was some $hit going down, it's STILL going down, and it is not in America's best interest. More is bound to come out. Trump is dirty, shady--he's always been that way--but his defenders want to believe he's some innocent being unfairly hounded by CNN. Oh, my. Trump supporters are EXACTLY like Putin's Russian supporters--they've lost their ethical compass.

Pretty much all anyone needs to read to reaffirm you're a blabbering buffoon.

I bet you live in a van/trailer down by the river..

 

[FLVOL_79]

And as all of this relates to Trump's performance at the G20 summit, we are no longer the leaders of the free world. Trump has abrogated that and Merkel has seized it. Not once in his speech in Poland did he use the word "democracy." Not once did you hear him use the word in Hamburg. He sucked up to Putin and got played like a fiddle. A lot of folks are calling this summit the G19 because our presence was essentially meaningless.

So?

 

[Velo Vol]

[twitter]https://twitter.com/digby56/status/883835755319017472[/twitter]

 

[tumscalcium]

This is not a partisan issue. The issue is why Donald Trump refuses to acknowledge that Russia did meddle in the 2016 Presidential election and that he does so while overseas and in complete defiance of our intelligence community and just prior to a meeting with the Russian President.

What did Russia do?

 

[Velo Vol]

Imagine that--Russian lawyer who met with team Trump last June repeats some of the talking points often seen here.

[twitter]https://twitter.com/rebeccaballhaus/status/883839254622863365[/twitter]

 

[BowlBrother85]

No one is denying meddling. The tangible outcome of said meddling is what is being denied..aka there is no tangible outcome.

Also there is no smoking gun Russia did anything still. Even the intelligence agencies say "We think its these people ...who may or may not have ties to these groups"..

Nobody has said that there was a tangible result from the meddling. There is nothing to dispute. However, Trump has continually refused to lay the blame for the hacking of the DNC and the dissemination of fake news stories during the 2016 Presidential campaign on Russia, in defiance of conclusions reached by 4 of our intelligence agencies (FBI, CIA, NSA and the office of the Director of National Intelligence) who worked independently of each other. He will never repeat their conclusions but will always cast doubt with qualifying remarks such as. "It could have been China...it could have been other countries...it could have been other people...nobody really knows for sure."

In conjunction with his constant defense of Russia and praise of Putin... this raises questions especially given the unusual number of undisclosed meetings and connections that have been uncovered since Trump took office. Once again, if there is nothing to see here then I'm sure Mueller will conclude that but until then, his investigation is very necessary.

 

[Mick]

with these guys. They're in their own alternate universe and almost never respond intelligently to anything--because they can't. They're still trying to pretend that Clinton was evil.

We have a president who's been briefed repeatedly by our intelligence services on this issue, told by the CIA and NSA that Russia hacked DNC and other services, planted fake stories on social-media websites, etc.--and Trump is still PUBLICLY defending a Russian dictator who is f--king with our country. And the country folk here don't seem to think there is a problem. Trump goes to Europe and LIES about the possibility of other countries being involved--again, trying to wave off an attack on our own sovereignty. Former intelligence chief Clapper said yesterday that NO OTHER COUNTRIES were involved. This is treasonous behavior by our own president! He goes around trying to blame the victims--tries to blame Obama and the Democrats. The man is a /true/ Manchurian candidate--yea, go look it up.

Why? Clearly Trump has private financial ties to Russia that he wants to protect and hide --ties that he has yet to reveal and that he's lied about. But we know Russians have invested heavily in some if not many of his properties. It's almost certain that a lot of the money was dirty and laundered via investments in Trump properties.

No concrete evidence? There is plenty of evidence--much of it circumstantial--but it continues to accumulate. Flynn took $65K from a Russian company and failed to report it. That's concrete. This meeting during the campaign with a Kremlin-linked lawyer.....concrete. Manafort's ties to Russia--concrete. We also know that the Trumpsters were telling Russia that the Ukraine-related sanctions would be lifted--Flynn told the Russian ambassador immediately after the election, and my bet is we'll find out that was communicated to Russian during the campaign, too. You realize, too, that when Trump met Putin, they broke with protocol and allowed no note-taking during their meeting--there were only four (maybe six) people total in the room. It is customary for notes to be taken when two foreign leaders have a sit-down. No note-taking. And let's not forget the crystal clear obstruction of justice that Trump has engaged in by firing the FBI chief and then admitting it was because of the Russia investigation, among other attempts to end the investigation. That is impeachable--but not by GOP pansies.

We don't know if there was direct quid-pro-quo between the Trump campaign and the Russians, but there was some $hit going down, it's STILL going down, and it is not in America's best interest. More is bound to come out. Trump is dirty, shady--he's always been that way--but his defenders want to believe he's some innocent being unfairly hounded by CNN. Oh, my. Trump supporters are EXACTLY like Putin's Russian supporters--they've lost their ethical compass.

We claimed cold-war victory over Russia with the fall of the Berlin Wall. As we have learned in the past year that we are still in the cold-war and losing. Russia has successfully use psychological warfare against our democracy and a cyber army hacking everything they can. Putin and his supporters are winning and Trump and his supporters are not. All of America is losing and these idiot supporters cannot even see what a POS he is because that would make the "libtards" right. Clinging to the only hope they have of not looking like the said idiots that they are.

 

[carlos86]

Imagine that--Russian lawyer who met with team Trump last June repeats some of the talking points often seen here.

[twitter]https://twitter.com/rebeccaballhaus/status/883839254622863365[/twitter]

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[BowlBrother85]

Also, during his press conference in Poland, Trump blamed Obama for not taking any action against Russia after learning of their meddling but he then proceeded to insist that Russia might not have even been involved. Either Russia is responsible for meddling in the election (in which case, some blame against Obama for not taking action is justified) or Russia didn't meddle in the election (in which case, there is nothing to blame Obama for). Trump can't have it both ways.

 

[Obsessed]

Also, during his press conference in Poland, Trump blamed Obama for not taking any action against Russia after learning of their meddling but he then proceeded to insist that Russia might not have even been involved. Either Russia is responsible for meddling in the election (in which case, some blame against Obama for not taking action is justified) or Russia didn't meddle in the election (in which case, there is nothing to blame Obama for). Trump can't have it both ways.

And neither can you.

So obama conspired with the Russians or there was no Russian collusion at all.

You can't have it both ways..

 

[BowlBrother85]

And neither can you.

So obama conspired with the Russians or there was no Russian collusion at all.

You can't have it both ways..

It seems you are confused about the meaning of the word "collusion". That is something done in coordination with others. Obama is guilty of inaction after the fact, not collusion.