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#12,576
Vol8188 said:
Lol wanting to freely trade and avoid war does not equal "collusion"
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This has nothing to do with any potential for war - there is none. The Russians meddled in our election and there must be consequences for that. They have also supported Assad forces in Syria including their attacks on groups supported by the West and .. and vetoing this bill doesn't just mean vetoing additional sanctions against Russia, it includes sanctions against Iran and North Korea as well (which the White House has already supported).

...but there is no way that in the current climate, Trump would have the guts to veto a bill that has the support of a united Congress. That would be too much for him to explain right now.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
This has nothing to do with any potential for war - there is none. The Russians meddled in our election and there must be consequences for that. They have also supported Assad forces in Syria including their attacks on groups supported by the West and .. and vetoing this bill doesn't just mean vetoing additional sanctions against Russia, it includes sanctions against Iran and North Korea as well (which the White House has already supported).

...but there is no way that in the current climate, Trump would have the guts to veto a bill that has the support of a united Congress. That would be too much for him to explain right now.
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Yeah! Lets do another regime change!!!!
 
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#12,583
Vol8188 said:
If your government operates in secrecy, how can the voters make informed decisions?

Also, that's a very neocon view for you to have.
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Well hell 88..... why don't our analysts just go ahead and tell our enemies every damn thing? I mean after all .... how can we make informed decisions without knowing?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
This has nothing to do with any potential for war - there is none. The Russians meddled in our election and there must be consequences for that. They have also supported Assad forces in Syria including their attacks on groups supported by the West and .. and vetoing this bill doesn't just mean vetoing additional sanctions against Russia, it includes sanctions against Iran and North Korea as well (which the White House has already supported).

...but there is no way that in the current climate, Trump would have the guts to veto a bill that has the support of a united Congress. That would be too much for him to explain right now.
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But I thought making a deal with Iran and giving them $400 billion dollars or whatever it was ..... was a good thing when Obama was president..... why do we want to stick it to them now?.....especially when they're supposedly complying with the guidelines of the deal?
 
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#12,587
Carl Pickens said:
But I thought making a deal with Iran and giving them $400 billion dollars or whatever it was ..... was a good thing when Obama was president..... why do we want to stick it to them now?.....especially when they're supposedly complying with the guidelines of the deal?
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This is ignorant and has been discussed on here many times in the past. We didn't "give" Iran anything. Last year, we did settle a 37 year old debt with them in cash. We repaid them $400 million which they had sent us for fighter jets which were never delivered before the Shah was overthrown in 1979. There was also an additional $1.3 billion in interest paid. Had this dispute gone to an international tribunal, it is likely that the United States would have been on the hook for more than that.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
But I thought making a deal with Iran and giving them $400 billion dollars or whatever it was ..... was a good thing when Obama was president..... why do we want to stick it to them now?.....especially when they're supposedly complying with the guidelines of the deal?
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The Iran deal was a good thing--it is a serious brake on their nuclear bomb ambitions and, until Trump got elected, held the potential to substantially improve relations between the two countries. The $400 billion or whatever the number was Iran's money; it had been frozen by the U.S. government.

Some/many conservatives have a bug up their butt about Iran in the same way that the neocons in the Bush administration were dead set on getting rid of Saddam Hussein in Iraq. Israel's U.S. lobby is pushing the anti-Iran agenda much as it pushed Bush and his men to invade Iraq. Israel had pushed the U.S. to get rid of Saddam for many years. The 9-11 attack gave Cheney and Bush and the neocons the opportunity they needed to lie and bully everybody into supporting an invasion of Iraq--even though Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction--it was a paper tiger--and had nothing to do with 9-11. Israel pushed the idea, just as it is pushing a hard-line with Iran. Russian hacks us in multiply ways, interferes with our election--but the Trumpster want to be pals with Russian and take a hard line with Iran. Stupid. Israel wants us to do all their dirty work.

Meanwhile, Trump's new communications director earlier this year talked to Russian state TV and, like his new boss, spent several minutes spouting an embarrassing amount of pro-Russia BS. He must have graduated from the D. Trump School of Talking Out of Your A$$. He says Trump has "enormous respect" for the "legacy of the U.S.-Russian relationship. Comical. What legacy might he be referring to? We've been enemies for more than 60 years!

Trump is just determined to get hold of more of that dirty money from Russian oligarchs to further grow his business. We've got a president who has been compromised by Russia. Think about it. A real Manchurian candidate. You disagree? Then explain why Trump has been jumping through hoops to say and do nice things for Russian for many months? He's like a giddy schoolgirl around Putin. Putin control the people who have invested a lot of ill-gotten money into Trump properties. I'm pretty sure that Trump's great and mysterious affection for Putin and Russia isn't the product of, say, Trump's extensive reading on Russian history or the history of Russia-U.S. relations. Trump doesn't read. He simply can't afford to disappoint his Sugar Daddy.


http://shareblue.com/new-white-hous...sian-tv-saying-he-wants-to-lift-us-sanctions/
 
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Vol8188 said:
Congrats, you're on the same pro big government side as the liberals
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Dear China.... we have 432 spies in Bejing and their names are.....

Dear Russia.... we have exactly 12 nuclear warheads aimed at Moscow and we're currently working on infiltrating your computer systems via the XYZ using a 123 and once we gain access we plan to crash your satellites, out your spies, devalue your currency and destroy your economy.
 
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armchair said:
The Iran deal was a good thing--it is a serious brake on their nuclear bomb ambitions and, until Trump got elected, held the potential to substantially improve relations between the two countries. The $400 billion or whatever the number was Iran's money; it had been frozen by the U.S. government.

Some/many conservatives have a bug up their butt about Iran in the same way that the neocons in the Bush administration were dead set on getting rid of Saddam Hussein in Iraq. Israel's U.S. lobby is pushing the anti-Iran agenda much as it pushed Bush and his men to invade Iraq. Israel had pushed the U.S. to get rid of Saddam for many years. The 9-11 attack gave Cheney and Bush and the neocons the opportunity they needed to lie and bully everybody into supporting an invasion of Iraq--even though Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction--it was a paper tiger--and had nothing to do with 9-11. Israel pushed the idea, just as it is pushing a hard-line with Iran. Russian hacks us in multiply ways, interferes with our election--but the Trumpster want to be pals with Russian and take a hard line with Iran. Stupid. Israel wants us to do all their dirty work.

Meanwhile, Trump's new communications director earlier this year talked to Russian state TV and, like his new boss, spent several minutes spouting an embarrassing amount of pro-Russia BS. He must have graduated from the D. Trump School of Talking Out of Your A$$. He says Trump has "enormous respect" for the "legacy of the U.S.-Russian relationship. Comical. What legacy might he be referring to? We've been enemies for more than 60 years!

Trump is just determined to get hold of more of that dirty money from Russian oligarchs to further grow his business. We've got a president who has been compromised by Russia. Think about it. A real Manchurian candidate. You disagree? Then explain why Trump has been jumping through hoops to say and do nice things for Russian for many months? He's like a giddy schoolgirl around Putin. Putin control the people who have invested a lot of ill-gotten money into Trump properties. I'm pretty sure that Trump's great and mysterious affection for Putin and Russia isn't the product of, say, Trump's extensive reading on Russian history or the history of Russia-U.S. relations. Trump doesn't read. He simply can't afford to disappoint his Sugar Daddy.


http://shareblue.com/new-white-hous...sian-tv-saying-he-wants-to-lift-us-sanctions/
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Ok..... so if Obama's deal was so glorious.... what has changed that makes the liberals so concerned about enforcing sanctions on Iran now? I don't give a crap about your Russian spin BS..... I'm asking about Iran.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Dear China.... we have 432 spies in Bejing and their names are.....

Dear Russia.... we have exactly 12 nuclear warheads aimed at Moscow and we're currently working on infiltrating your computer systems via the XYZ using a 123 and once we gain access we plan to crash your satellites, out your spies, devalue your currency and destroy your economy.
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The vast, vast majority of classified information is nowhere near that level. But we shouldn't have foreign spies to begin with. And our missile fields already have fly over agreements with the Russians. I believe that may have been Reagan's doing. He was a big proponent of disarming.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
This has nothing to do with any potential for war - there is none. The Russians meddled in our election and there must be consequences for that. They have also supported Assad forces in Syria including their attacks on groups supported by the West and .. and vetoing this bill doesn't just mean vetoing additional sanctions against Russia, it includes sanctions against Iran and North Korea as well (which the White House has already supported).

...but there is no way that in the current climate, Trump would have the guts to veto a bill that has the support of a united Congress. That would be too much for him to explain right now.
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Russia has meddled in our elections for decades. As we have theirs as well. Why has your outrage been silent until now? Could it have something to do with Trump winning and your side losing? You can say NO all ypu want, but we all know that's exactly what it is.

Had this same situation happened in oh lets say 2008, you would be singing a much different tune. Keep on keeping on liberal. You continue to show your allegiance to the party of ignorant hypocrites.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Sounds practical.
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This from the same guy who wants sanctions against another country for interfering in our elections and believes their embassies are just head quarters for spies?

No, we should not have spies. It's very practical.
 
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#12,598
BigOrangeTrain said:
Russia has meddled in our elections for decades. As we have theirs as well. Why has your outrage been silent until now? Could it have something to do with Trump winning and your side losing? You can say NO all ypu want, but we all know that's exactly what it is.

Had this same situation happened in oh lets say 2008, you would be singing a much different tune. Keep on keeping on liberal. You continue to show your allegiance to the party of ignorant hypocrites.
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Oh, really? How so? Cite one example of their interference prior to 2016. When and what means was used?

...and how exactly have we meddled in their elections for decades? Hell, they have only even been having Presidential elections since 1991 and we never had an issue with Yeltsin. They have only had 6 Presidential elections and a grand total of 3 elected Presidents. Considering how genuine threats to Putin's reign have had a way of either winding up in jail or dead... there is not much we can do.
 
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