TrumPutinGate

[lawgator1]

Put it this way.

Trump fired the FBI director when he couldn't get him to back off. That's pretty extreme. Then he helped draft a complete falsehood for Trump Jr. to put out about that meeting.

There's a reason for all of that.

 

[volinbham]

Put it the way.

Trump fired the FBI director when he couldn't get him to back off. That's pretty extreme. Then he helped draft a complete falsehood for Trump Jr. to put out about that meeting.

There's a reason for all of that.

Firing Comey had no effect on the investigation; if anything it made it worse. Trump's lawyers clearly would have told him that. Comey as we've learned was not doing his job well (we learned more about that in the last few days). You repeatedly called for his firing.

Most legal reviews I've seen indicate that does not rise to obstruction.

 

[volinbham]

The dnc wasn't hacked. Period

The info was leaked. (Which will become more public before long and proof positive collusion between the dems and Russia)

We'll likely never know for sure. The recent comments of Clapper and what we just learned about Comey vis a vis the Clinton investigation make me considerably more suspicious about what they're saying publicly.

 

[AirVol]

The dnc wasn't hacked. Period

The info was leaked. (Which will become more public before long and proof positive collusion between the dems and Russia)

The Podesta brothers should be in jail.

 

[carlos86]

Carlos - since you are the keeper of the facts on this; at least what's been made public: have the intel agencies claimed that Russia committed the DNC email hack? I know the 4 speaking for 17 have stated that Russia meddled with the election but I can't find anything saying they have stated definitively Russia hacked the DNC (I fully acknowledge I may have missed it).

The U.S. intelligence report concludes Russia ordered hacking of the DNC and the use of disinformation on social media in the U.S.

"We assess with high confidence that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election," the report reads, "the consistent goals of which were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary [Hillary] Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency."

"It re-asserts the intelligence community’s findings that the Kremlin is behind breaches of the Democratic National Committee, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, Hillary Clinton’s campaign, and even state election board websites."

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

 

[Obsessed]

The U.S. intelligence report concludes Russia ordered hacking of the DNC and the use of disinformation on social media in the U.S.

"We assess with high confidence that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election," the report reads, "the consistent goals of which were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary [Hillary] Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency."

"It re-asserts the intelligence community’s findings that the Kremlin is behind breaches of the Democratic National Committee, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, Hillary Clinton’s campaign, and even state election board websites."

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

lol

Social media? Lol
Undermine public faith? Lol

 

[carlos86]

And Trump (I assume) had zero to do with that.

Will you believe Manafort if he says Trump did "x" or "y" but it's just Manafort's word?

Paul Manafort took a job as a campaign manager for free and just so happened to bring in a lot of people who were associated in some way or form with the Russian Government or Russian Oligarchs who had close relationships with either Putin or associates of Putin inside the Kremlin. If Manafort said X or Y, X or Y would be collaborated by signals intel and other documents. So far Manafort, Carter Page or Micheal Flynn's stories have added up.

 

[lawgator1]

Paul Manafort too a job as a campaign manager for free and just so happened to bring in a lot of people who were associated in some way or form with the Russian Government or Russian Oligarchs who had close relationships with either Putin or associates of Putin inside the Kremlin. If Manafort said X or Y, X or Y would be collaborated by signals intel and other documents. So far Manafort, Carter Page or Micheal Flynn's stories have added up.

Carlos, fact is that Trump supporters here and around the country will never admit that he's done anything justifying his removal from office. They dodge the ever mounting evidence. They deflect with what about Obama/Clinton. And they just ignore it when another story erupts showing yet another effort to collude or a close financial tie to Putin.

They just aren't going to admit that they were wrong about him, and that the rest of us were right. They don't have the character to admit that.

 

[Obsessed]

Carlos, fact is that Trump supporters here and around the country will never admit that he's done anything justifying his removal from office. They dodge the ever mounting evidence. They deflect with what about Obama/Clinton. And they just ignore it when another story erupts showing yet another effort to collude or a close financial tie to Putin.

They just aren't going to admit that they were wrong about him, and that the rest of us were right. They don't have the character to admit that.

This is ****ing rich.

 

[armchair]

The moral of the Trump administration is that you don't elect unethical businessmen to positions of influence and power--and in the case of Jared Kushner, you don't appoint them to top positions either. Serious ethical/conflict of interest problems. Kushner's family company is deeply in debt and needs $600 million to pay off a mortgage on an NYC building within 18 months. Kushner and his company have spent 2 years looking for investors, so far to no avail. It's almost certain that Kushner had his eye on parleying his White House position into getting some dirty Russian money to bail his company out--until the Trump's great love for Putin and Russian money became public knowledge. You kind of seriously don't won't your top government officials in debt to a Russian dictator and/or his mobster friends. Not a good thing for the good 'ole U.S. of A--and even now Trump is working to profit from his presidency.

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/144...incentive-use-white-house-position-make-money

 

[Jxn Vol]

Carlos, fact is that Trump supporters here and around the country will never admit that he's done anything justifying his removal from office. They dodge the ever mounting evidence. They deflect with what about Obama/Clinton. And they just ignore it when another story erupts showing yet another effort to collude or a close financial tie to Putin.

They just aren't going to admit that they were wrong about him, and that the rest of us were right. They don't have the character to admit that.

Well Obama was gay so.........
Clinton is too so.....
Bill rapes women......
Bernie is a commy......
Gore has a lisp...
Warren is an injun...
Sharpton is a tax cheat...
Jackson is an adulterer....
Wiener is a sex addict...
Schultz employs Pakistani felons...
Sorry for the deflection.

 

[hog88]

Carlos, fact is that Trump supporters here and around the country will never admit that he's done anything justifying his removal from office. They dodge the ever mounting evidence. They deflect with what about Obama/Clinton. And they just ignore it when another story erupts showing yet another effort to collude or a close financial tie to Putin.

They just aren't going to admit that they were wrong about him, and that the rest of us were right. They don't have the character to admit that.

What evidence?

 

[luthervol]

lol

Social media? Lol
Undermine public faith? Lol

Social media is the vehicle used to disseminate most of the fake news that many on the right now believe to be 100% factually indisputable truths.

Like Clinton starting the birther story.
The vastly overblown relevance of antifa.
Clinton e-mails, Benghazi, pizzagate, health issues, Seth Rich.....

 

[LouderVol]

If you follow this from the beginning it was Hog claiming she was proven GUILTY. I just said she wasn't.

uh Comey went over the evidence that she was guilty, of pretty much every little thing the R's accused her of. Maybe not the blood drinking baby sacrificing part, but then again she didn't have Mueller's all encompassing investigation going after her.

again, if the FBI and DOJ come out and say they have proof of Trump straight up colluding and taking money from the Russians as a presidential candidate; but then says we don't believe he intended to break the law, would you, or anyone be ok with it?

 

[LouderVol]

Social media is the vehicle used to disseminate most of the fake news that many on the right now believe to be 100% factually indisputable truths.

Like Clinton starting the birther story.
The vastly overblown relevance of antifa.
Clinton e-mails, Benghazi, pizzagate, health issues, Seth Rich.....

http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-started-birther-movement/

That Hillary Clinton supporters circulated such an e-mail isn’t in question, but the claim that that’s the moment the birther theory “first emerged” simply isn’t true. The likeliest point of origin we’ve been able to find was a post on conservative message board FreeRepublic.com dated 1 March 2008 (which, according to a report in The Telegraph, was at least a month before Clinton supporters got on the e-mail bandwagon):

In March 2007, Clinton campaign strategist Mark Penn proposed attacking Obama on the basis of his “lack of American roots.” And, in December 2007, a Clinton volunteer county coordinator in Iowa was fired for forwarding an e-mail making the by-then familiar claim that Obama is a Muslim.

how did something that "began" in 2008 have earlier links in 2007 to Clinton's team and probably even more earlier back to 2004(not clinton then)? her team may not have started the rumors, but her team is the one that gave it legs. the 2004 start date comes from a political forum, I wouldn't chalk up a VN like forum to starting anything. I give you no points here.

Ok if Antifa is overblown the racist/nazi angle is also overblown by the left side of social media. no points here.

Clinton emails were true, see Comey's statement, they just didn't charge her, not what I would call innocent.

Benghazi? How the eff do you shrug that off? Americans died.

pizzagate, funny you mention that because there are some real links to Russia in that one.

Health issues? Remember all those stories about Trump losing his mind? That video of him wandering on the tar mat? yeah, the rights have that market cornered.

Seth Rich is like the Russia tale, lots of smoke no fire just yet.

 

[Mick]

I have heard a lot of screeching that Hillary should be in jail because she is guilty of something. What is the criminal code she is guilty of?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I have heard a lot of screeching that Hillary should be in jail because she is guilty of something. What is the criminal code she is guilty of?

None. She is obviously completely innocent.

 

[Mick]

None. She is obviously completely innocent.

I wouldn't mind if she was in jail. At least it would keep her out of politics.

 

[Mick]

What evidence?

You sound like a child being confronted by his mother about crayon markings on the wall while holding a crayon.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I wouldn't mind if she was in jail. At least it would keep her out of politics.

Agreed. But we all know she will never face any jail time.

Pretty good stuff here. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...e-federal-laws-violated-by-the-private-server

 

[Mick]

Agreed. But we all know she will never face any jail time.

Pretty good stuff here. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...e-federal-laws-violated-by-the-private-server

(e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.


How is she guilty of this?

 

[LouderVol]

(e) Whoever having unauthorized possession of, access to, or control over any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, or note relating to the national defense, or information relating to the national defense which information the possessor has reason to believe could be used to the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation, willfully communicates, delivers, transmits or causes to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted, or attempts to communicate, deliver, transmit or cause to be communicated, delivered, or transmitted the same to any person not entitled to receive it, or willfully retains the same and fails to deliver it to the officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it; or
(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.


How is she guilty of this?

see the bolded. and there is not any question of that.

 

[hog88]

You sound like a child being confronted by his mother about crayon markings on the wall while holding a crayon.

Nice, now please provide some links showing evidence of the Trump (or Trump himself) colluding with the Russian government.

Point of advice- Speculative tweets are not evidence. Leaks from mysterious sources are not evidence.

 

[Mick]

see the bolded. and there is not any question of that.

There is no evidence that she destroyed work emails, and their is no evidence she transmitted to anyone not trusted to the information.

The best I can see the worst thing she did was not archiving those work emails to a Government Server. I can find where that clearly should have been done but I can't find a criminal code for such action.

 

[Mick]

Nice, now please provide some links showing evidence of the Trump (or Trump himself) colluding with the Russian government.

Point of advice- Speculative tweets are not evidence. Leaks from mysterious sources are not evidence.

I'm sorry Hog. I just see you say that often and when someone points out the Trump Tower meeting or the numerous omissions about Russian contacts you just keep going on with the same line like it didn't even happen or that its "fake news". Scared to death of any investigation into Trump associates finances because you know what they might find. A witch hunt carried out by the DNC, media, deep state and intelligence agencies.