TrumPutinGate

[hog88]

I'm sorry Hog. I just see you say that often and when someone points out the Trump Tower meeting or the numerous omissions about Russian contacts you just keep going on with the same line like it didn't even happen or that its "fake news". Scared to death of any investigation into Trump associates finances because you know what they might find. A witch hunt carried out by the DNC, media, deep state and intelligence agencies.

Let's look at the evidence you mentioned. The Trump tower meeting included NO Russian government employees. What contacts with Russians were omitted? And omitted from what?

Surely with the mountains of evidence you can provide some links.

 

[MT LeConte]

The moral of the Trump administration is that you don't elect unethical businessmen to positions of influence and power--and in the case of Jared Kushner, you don't appoint them to top positions either. Serious ethical/conflict of interest problems. Kushner's family company is deeply in debt and needs $600 million to pay off a mortgage on an NYC building within 18 months. Kushner and his company have spent 2 years looking for investors, so far to no avail. It's almost certain that Kushner had his eye on parleying his White House position into getting some dirty Russian money to bail his company out--until the Trump's great love for Putin and Russian money became public knowledge. You kind of seriously don't won't your top government officials in debt to a Russian dictator and/or his mobster friends. Not a good thing for the good 'ole U.S. of A--and even now Trump is working to profit from his presidency.

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/144...incentive-use-white-house-position-make-money

It's not that you don't want your top government officials to be 600M in debt to Russians, you don't want them 600M in debt to anyone.

 

[hog88]

It's not that you don't want your top government officials to be 600M in debt to Russians, you don't want them 600M in debt to anyone.

Like campaign donors?

 

[Mick]

Let's look at the evidence you mentioned. The Trump tower meeting included NO Russian government employees. What contacts with Russians were omitted? And omitted from what?

Surely with the mountains of evidence you can provide some links.

Does not have to be "government employees". Foreign nationalist is the same in the eyes of the law.

 

[hog88]

Does not have to be "government employees". Foreign nationalist is the same in the eyes of the law.

Yeah, want to quote that statute?

Come on Mick, where is all of this documented evidence? Lay it out for all to see.

 

[hog88]

Does not have to be "government employees". Foreign nationalist is the same in the eyes of the law.

So something like this would be illegal for a candidate?

Hillary Clinton Meets with Foreign Dignitaries on UNGA Sidelines

https://still4hill.com/2016/09/19/hillary-clinton-meets-with-foreign-dignitaries-on-unga-sidelines/

 

[Mick]

Yeah, want to quote that statute?

Come on Mick, where is all of this documented evidence? Lay it out for all to see.

No I'm not going to waste my time rehashing thing that have been posted in this thread at great lengths. I'm not going to pander to your denial.

 

[volinbham]

There is no evidence that she destroyed work emails, and their is no evidence she transmitted to anyone not trusted to the information.

The best I can see the worst thing she did was not archiving those work emails to a Government Server. I can find where that clearly should have been done but I can't find a criminal code for such action.

I know for sure the first assertion is wrong. In the investigation they tracked down a significant number of work related emails via other sources that were ones she deleted and did not turn over initially.

On the second I'm pretty sure they found evidence of this as well but I'd have to go back and look.

 

[volinbham]

It's not that you don't want your top government officials to be 600M in debt to Russians, you don't want them 600M in debt to anyone.

Depends entirely on how that debt is secured and what it is on.

 

[hog88]

No I'm not going to waste my time rehashing thing that have been posted in this thread at great lengths. I'm not going to pander to your denial.

Come on Mick, don't be a child and back up your claims.

 

[volinbham]

The U.S. intelligence report concludes Russia ordered hacking of the DNC and the use of disinformation on social media in the U.S.

"We assess with high confidence that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election," the report reads, "the consistent goals of which were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary [Hillary] Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency."

"It re-asserts the intelligence community’s findings that the Kremlin is behind breaches of the Democratic National Committee, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, Hillary Clinton’s campaign, and even state election board websites."

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

Thank you :hi:

 

[volinbham]

Paul Manafort took a job as a campaign manager for free and just so happened to bring in a lot of people who were associated in some way or form with the Russian Government or Russian Oligarchs who had close relationships with either Putin or associates of Putin inside the Kremlin. If Manafort said X or Y, X or Y would be collaborated by signals intel and other documents. So far Manafort, Carter Page or Micheal Flynn's stories have added up.

If the evidence is there then I'm on board.

I'm asking would you take his word if his word is all Mueller has?

 

[volinbham]

Carlos, fact is that Trump supporters here and around the country will never admit that he's done anything justifying his removal from office. They dodge the ever mounting evidence. They deflect with what about Obama/Clinton. And they just ignore it when another story erupts showing yet another effort to collude or a close financial tie to Putin.

They just aren't going to admit that they were wrong about him, and that the rest of us were right. They don't have the character to admit that.

This is so rich coming from you - breathtaking really but it's what we've come to expect.

Don't go changing.

 

[hog88]

If the evidence is there then I'm on board.

I'm asking would you take his word if his word is all Mueller has?

I'm pretty sure he would, Manafort would suddenly become the darling of the opposition and be labeled a patriot.

 

[Grand Vol]

I've been out of the loop for a couple of days.

Did they get him yet?

 

[Mick]

I know for sure the first assertion is wrong. In the investigation they tracked down a significant number of work related emails via other sources that were ones she deleted and did not turn over initially.

On the second I'm pretty sure they found evidence of this as well but I'd have to go back and look.

They were preserved or they would not have been found. Let me guess they were found on a government server in the archives in an account that had clearance for the information.

 

[hog88]

I've been out of the loop for a couple of days.

Did they get him yet?

US Marshals are surrounding the WH as we speak.

 

[volinbham]

They were preserved or they would not have been found. Let me guess they were found on a government server in the archives in an account that had clearance for the information.

They were not preserved by her. She deleted them. Was it a mistake or intentional? Who knows.

As for the on a server that had clearance we know that her entire server was at some point in time housed (and maintained) by a company that did not have clearance at all!. All of her communications (even the classified stuff) was in the hands of people with NO clearance whatsoever.

She could have been prosecuted; Comey chose not to.

 

[luthervol]

"Clinton’s email habits look positively transparent when compared with the subpoena-dodging, email-hiding, private-server-using George W. Bush administration. Between 2003 and 2009, the Bush White House “lost” 22 million emails. This correspondence included millions of emails written during the darkest period in America’s recent history, when the Bush administration was ginning up support for what turned out to be a disastrous war in Iraq with false claims that the country possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMD), and, later, when it was firing U.S. attorneys for political reasons."

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/george-w-bush-white-house-lost-22-million-emails-497373.html

I'm just saying that the Clinton e-mail story was blown out of proportion and that the facts were twisted and manipulated in a way to cause as much damage to Clinton as possible. Same with every other right wing story about a Clinton "scandal".

However you feel about the current treatment of the trump/Russia story by the media, magnify that 10 times and you will still not approach the right wing's attempts to discredit and bring down Clinton.

 

[volinbham]

"Clinton’s email habits look positively transparent when compared with the subpoena-dodging, email-hiding, private-server-using George W. Bush administration. Between 2003 and 2009, the Bush White House “lost” 22 million emails. This correspondence included millions of emails written during the darkest period in America’s recent history, when the Bush administration was ginning up support for what turned out to be a disastrous war in Iraq with false claims that the country possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMD), and, later, when it was firing U.S. attorneys for political reasons."

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/george-w-bush-white-house-lost-22-million-emails-497373.html

I'm just saying that the Clinton e-mail story was blown out of proportion and that the facts were twisted and manipulated in a way to cause as much damage to Clinton as possible. Same with every other right wing story about a Clinton "scandal".

However you feel about the current treatment of the trump/Russia story by the media, magnify that 10 times and you will still not approach the right wing's attempts to discredit and bring down Clinton.

Wow, just wow.

 

[Jxn Vol]

I still would love to know what the NYPD found on the Huma/Weiner laptop.

 

[joevol33]

"Clinton’s email habits look positively transparent when compared with the subpoena-dodging, email-hiding, private-server-using George W. Bush administration. Between 2003 and 2009, the Bush White House “lost” 22 million emails. This correspondence included millions of emails written during the darkest period in America’s recent history, when the Bush administration was ginning up support for what turned out to be a disastrous war in Iraq with false claims that the country possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMD), and, later, when it was firing U.S. attorneys for political reasons."

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/george-w-bush-white-house-lost-22-million-emails-497373.html

I'm just saying that the Clinton e-mail story was blown out of proportion and that the facts were twisted and manipulated in a way to cause as much damage to Clinton as possible. Same with every other right wing story about a Clinton "scandal".

However you feel about the current treatment of the trump/Russia story by the media, magnify that 10 times and you will still not approach the right wing's attempts to discredit and bring down Clinton.

Are you serious Clarke?

 

[luthervol]

Are you serious Clarke?

It's all about perspective.

 

[LouderVol]

There is no evidence that she destroyed work emails, and their is no evidence she transmitted to anyone not trusted to the information.

The best I can see the worst thing she did was not archiving those work emails to a Government Server. I can find where that clearly should have been done but I can't find a criminal code for such action.

(1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.


How is she guilty of this?

Did you not read Comey's quote? He said the FBI had to put back together a bunch of work emails. including a number of classified ones. Also how is putting work emails on non secure non government servers not removing it from its proper place of custody? He also talks about how he only found some emails by looking at other people's archives and he couldnt find those same emails on hers. That is also clearly deleting emails.

also she lied under oath about all of this.

 

[MT LeConte]

Depends entirely on how that debt is secured and what it is on.

What you say is true but if you owe 600M you might be tempted to influence policy that is beneficial to you. And if that weren't the reason you supported a particular policy the appearance that you did is still there.

I'm pretty sure we've never had a top Federal Government official 600M in debt. In the history or our country there's probably very few that were in the red at all.