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DancingOutlaw said:
CNN says Russians bought $100k in ads on Facebook. Compare that to campaign spending of close to $1B and Facebook ad revenue of ~$30B. How can anyone look at that in context and say that had the potential to materially affected anything.
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It's more the thousands of fake accounts than the ads.
 
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volinbham said:
Same experience - I saw mountains of misinformation and just plain ridiculousness posted by my left leaning friends and treated as absolute truth.

The place was flooded with crap and $100K worth from "the Russians" was a blip.
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You guys are misdirected on the $100k story. That has next to nothing to do with the thousands of fake accounts set up by Russia. (Nothing to do with ad money)
 
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1972 Grad said:
That is 100% true, but there is more to it than that. Trump was nominated specifically as a direct result of the weak, gutless Republican establishment House and Senate, and other Republican nominees.

He was basically the first 3rd party candidate, running as a member of one of the two established parties. He ran against both parties, and they made it very transparent to see that they were both against him.
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Exactly, mine was the wake in bake condensed version!
 
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luthervol said:
I would love to have a complete investigation into the use of facebook and other social media during the election. Proving the fact that the right was much more active in disseminating misinformation and fake news and that trump voters were far more effected by propaganda would be a great step forward.
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I told you and all of VN a year ago that Hillary's numbers would drop because she isn't likeable, and doesn't wear well. They tried to hide her during much of the campaign, and run the clock out. It didn't work.
 
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Today is the anniversary of Hilary's fainting spell that required her to be carried away from the remembrance at ground zero.

Total damage to her campaign was the equivalent of 40M in negative favebook ads from the rooskies.
 
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luthervol said:
You guys are misdirected on the $100k story. That has next to nothing to do with the thousands of fake accounts set up by Russia. (Nothing to do with ad money)
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There are over 200 million Facebook users in the US alone.

I believe you might be the misdirected one with regards to the significance of Russian FB activity AND the one-sidedness of right vs left misinformation on FB and other social media.
 
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volinbham said:
There are over 200 million Facebook users in the US alone.

I believe you might be the misdirected one with regards to the significance of Russian FB activity AND the one-sidedness of right vs left misinformation on FB and other social media.
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Users, not active misinformation posters. The millions just liked and circulated the fake news put out by the thousands.
 
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luthervol said:
Users, not active misinformation posters. The millions just liked and circulated the fake news put out by the thousands.
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Can't believe I have to explain this - the point is that a couple thousand accounts are washed away in the 100s of millions of users and their posts.

For every misinformation post that was liked there were posts pointing out they were misinformation.

It was noise in the system.

Nowhere has any analysis shown this activity had any material effect on the election. Our Intel Community has not claimed any specific impact of the Russian activity.

There is no data suggesting this misinformation was even a significant portion of the total misinformation on FB or social media.

Call me when some real data or analysis exists.
 
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luthervol said:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/russias-facebook-fake-news-could-have-reached-70-million-americans

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/07/us/politics/russia-facebook-twitter-election.html?mcubz=0
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So it wasn't thousands of fake accounts - it was 470?

As for the analysis in the Daily Beast article notice how the expert is speculating on what could have been the reach. Lots' of if this and if that. Further, read that he's talking about how many times an ad might have shown up - do you look at every ad that shows up on your page?

Most of the geo-targeted ads were in 2015 - well ahead of the election.
 
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volinbham said:
So it wasn't thousands of fake accounts - it was 470?

As for the analysis in the Daily Beast article notice how the expert is speculating on what could have been the reach. Lots' of if this and if that. Further, read that he's talking about how many times an ad might have shown up - do you look at every ad that shows up on your page?

Most of the geo-targeted ads were in 2015 - well ahead of the election.
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From NYTimes article.

In its review of election-related advertising, Facebook said it had also found an additional 2,200 ads, costing $50,000, that had less certain indications of a Russian connection. Some of those ads, for instance, were purchased by Facebook accounts with internet protocol addresses that appeared to be in the United States but with the language set to Russian.

The report also found that hundreds of Russian “trolls,” or paid social media users, had posted anti-Clinton messages. But it did not name Facebook or address the question of advertising.
 
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https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/8/16274094/facebook-russia-troll-problem

Facebook has acknowledged publicly that fake accounts linked to Russian sources bought $100,000 in political ads, accounting for over 3,000 ads. The announcement on Wednesday was the first time Facebook has acknowledged that many of the fake accounts it shut down came from Russian sources.

Creating fake accounts and buying ads was part of a larger Russian campaign to spread misinformation and political divisiveness across social media in the runup to the 2016 election, according to US intelligence officials.
 
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luthervol said:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/8/16274094/facebook-russia-troll-problem

Facebook has acknowledged publicly that fake accounts linked to Russian sources bought $100,000 in political ads, accounting for over 3,000 ads. The announcement on Wednesday was the first time Facebook has acknowledged that many of the fake accounts it shut down came from Russian sources.

Creating fake accounts and buying ads was part of a larger Russian campaign to spread misinformation and political divisiveness across social media in the runup to the 2016 election, according to US intelligence officials.
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Impressive.

Some Russians spent $100k on ads and managed to topple Hillary Clinton and her $1b budget.
 
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luthervol said:
From NYTimes article.

In its review of election-related advertising, Facebook said it had also found an additional 2,200 ads, costing $50,000, that had less certain indications of a Russian connection. Some of those ads, for instance, were purchased by Facebook accounts with internet protocol addresses that appeared to be in the United States but with the language set to Russian.

The report also found that hundreds of Russian “trolls,” or paid social media users, had posted anti-Clinton messages. But it did not name Facebook or address the question of advertising.
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hundreds of trolls? That still puts us at less than 1000 including the 470 fake accounts - compare this to over 200 million US users.

As for $50k in ads how about some perspective? In the 2nd quarter alone of this year FB sold $9.6 billion in ads.

So $150K total over two years compared to about $44 Billion in total ad revenue for 2015/2016 has to make you seriously question the impact no?
 
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