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luthervol said:
The only ridiculous stance is that it had zero impact.

The Stanford study concluded that their number could be low or high, ie....it's not quantifiable. They were, however, able to quantify that the number of fake news stories that were anti-Clinton or pro-Trump greatly outnumbered the anti-trump or pro-Hillary stories. And that the pro-right stories were shared at a far greater rate than the pro-left stories. (some things are quantifiable) I think we will learn more as the current investigations play out.
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I never claimed there was zero impact (a strawman on your part). I've simply stated the impact is unknown and no one has shown it to have been significant in changing the election results.

The study you posted concludes the impact as they estimated it to be insignificant in the outcome. That is their conclusion.

As for the Trump v Clinton stories they are dealing with a small sample of stories (see how they chose and the caveats they provided). So, in their sample of stories there were more anti-Clinton than anti-Trump. Because these stories were not randomly chosen the authors make no claim that their sample represents the population of fake news stories.

Finally, you have a disconnect between your obsession with Russia as the purveyor of fake news and the study due to the sample of stories they chose to include and the timing of Russian activity.

Impact on the election only would occur if enough people who would have voted for Hillary were swayed by fake news but the sharing patterns tend to favor sharing within your own ideological bubble.

This is the big problem with concluding it had material impact since you basically have to have people believing fake news that is shared by people they disagree with politically. The study you posted shows the level of distrust between left and right yet we have to assume that enough lefties saw anti-Clinton stuff that righties shared and suddenly found those righties to be credible sources of information.
 
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luthervol said:
From NYTimes article.

In its review of election-related advertising, Facebook said it had also found an additional 2,200 ads, costing $50,000, that had less certain indications of a Russian connection. Some of those ads, for instance, were purchased by Facebook accounts with internet protocol addresses that appeared to be in the United States but with the language set to Russian.

The report also found that hundreds of Russian “trolls,” or paid social media users, had posted anti-Clinton messages. But it did not name Facebook or address the question of advertising.
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There were 3 million advertisers in 2016. 70% came from outside of America. That leaves about 900,000 advertisers. I haven't seen any numbers of how many adds each one produces but by any math it dwarfs 2,200.
 
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LouderVol said:
There were 3 million advertisers in 2016. 70% came from outside of America. That leaves about 900,000 advertisers. I haven't seen any numbers of how many adds each one produces but by any math it dwarfs 2,200.
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Luther, Armchair, VolproF (LAVF-Pronounced 'laugh' , and are paid subversive political operatives.
 
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Trump lied when he said that he didn't know who Felix Sater (Russian born felon with mafia ties) was in December of 2015. Sater was negotiating with Putin to build Trump Tower Moscow at the time of this denial and had worked for Trump for close to 10 years. Of course, that would have been an uncomfortable admission to make while running for President. Trump was also lying when he said he had not had any business dealings in Russia since the Miss Universe Pageant. Negotiations were well under way to build Trump Tower Moscow. It's definitely becoming more clear why Trump is so reluctant to say anything negative at all about Putin.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Trump lied when he said that he didn't know who Felix Sater (Russian born felon with mafia ties) was in December of 2015. Sater was negotiating with Putin to build Trump Tower Moscow at the time of this denial and had worked for Trump for close to 10 years. Of course, that would have been an uncomfortable admission to make while running for President. Trump was also lying when he said he had not had any business dealings in Russia since the Miss Universe Pageant. Negotiations were well under way to build Trump Tower Moscow. It's definitely becoming more clear why Trump is so reluctant to say anything negative at all about Putin.
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He didn't lie but in any case. So?
 
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hog88 said:
He didn't lie but in any case. So?
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"Felix Sater, boy, I have to even think about it. I'm not that familiar with him." - Donald Trump in December of 2015

At the very moment this statement was made, Trump was in the middle of a deal to build a Trump Tower in Moscow and it was Felix Sater who had put the venture together. As he was running for President, Trump was hiding this project from the American public and insisting that he didn't know the man at the center of it. Trump has also insisted numerous times since taking office that he had not had any business dealings in Russia in 10 years. He was lying and had conflicts of interest all over the place.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
"Felix Sater, boy, I have to even think about it. I'm not that familiar with him." - Donald Trump in December of 2015

At the very moment this statement was made, Trump was in the middle of a deal to build a Trump Tower in Moscow and it was Felix Sater who had put the venture together. As he was running for President, Trump was hiding this project from the American public and insisting that he didn't know the man at the center of it. Trump has also insisted numerous times since taking office that he had not had any business dealings in Russia in 10 years. He was lying and had conflicts of interest all over the place.
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He wasn't "in the middle of a deal". There were some preliminary talks going on but nowhere even close to have a deal done. Trump had tried two or three times to get a building built in Moscow without success.

Further, as a developer the Trump organization would have several if not hundreds of brokers approaching them constantly about potential deals. Hell, my wife's company is a tiny flea spec compared to Trumps and she probably gets 2-3 calls a week from brokers about possible deals.
 
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