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hog88 said:
Except there is good reason to doubt the payments were a crime. The former head of the FEC says their not. Several "legal scholars" say the payments were not criminal so I do hope they charge someone else, would be interesting to see if they would take it in front of a jury.
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I'll see your former head of the FEC and raise you one United States Attorney SDNY, a Federal Judge and a Special Prosecutor.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
So we’ve moved on from “collusion is not a crime” to “this is not the crime you’re looking for?”

Too bad the Trumpists don’t have a Jedi riding shotgun.
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IMO, the campaign finance violations are chump change compared to the alleged Russia stuff.

Furthermore, it's questionable whether it was even a crime to begin with considering he payed the women off with HIS own money. The only potential crime will be the attempted cover-up of said payments.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I disagree.

What it looks like is they started an investigation into one crime and that led them to catch one of the principles committing a crime other than the one they were investigating. He admitted it, and a judge sentenced him to prison. Apparently, prosecutors believe that Donald Trump was involved in a conspiracy to commit said crime.

This kind of thing happens every single day across the country,to a lot of people who aren’t subjects of witch hunts.

If you get pulled over for a speeding ticket and the cop smells marijuana, searches your car and finds a pound of potthe dead body of a missing woman in your trunk, that’s not a witch hunt and you’re still getting charged with murder. Michael Cohen is a lawyer with million/billionaire clients. He could afford top notch legal representation. They advised him to plead guilty. Same with Manafort. Same with Flynn.

Anybody saying that is illegal or a witch hunt when a Republican special counsel appointed by a Republican assistant AG, appointed by an appointed AG, appointed by the subject of the investigation and confirmed by a Republican Senate, when there’s also a conservative majority in the house and on the Supreme Court, charges people from evidence he uncovered in a lawful investigation, and all these people, despite being able to make bond, want to plead guilty; none of them wants the facts of their case out before a jury (except the guy who actually got convicted... by a jury before he plead guilty to other stuff). None of them wants an appeal to go to a higher court and say that this wasn’t really a crime.

To a reasonable person, saying “that’s a witch hunt” looks like desperation.
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Exactly what crime were they investigating initially? Cause, in case you haven't read the Rosenstein doc, there was extraordinarily broad jurisdiction given to the special counsel and it wasn't based on any one "crime".

Here's what really happened. They went in searching for a crime and happened to find one that also happens to be completely unrelated to Russia.
 
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hog88 said:
Except there is good reason to doubt the payments were a crime. The former head of the FEC says their not. Several "legal scholars" say the payments were not criminal so I do hope they charge someone else, would be interesting to see if they would take it in front of a jury.
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Maybe he should join Trump's legal team.
 
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Matt2496 said:
Exactly what crime were they investigating initially? Cause, in case you haven't read the Rosenstein doc, there was extraordinarily broad jurisdiction given to the special counsel and it wasn't based on any one "crime".

Here's what really happened. They went in searching for a crime and happened to find one completely unrelated to Russia.
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If Mueller finds out other crimes were committed that were outside his scope he is obligated to refer those crimes to the appropriate United States Attorney.
 
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carlos86 said:
If Mueller finds out other crimes were committed that were outside his scope he is obligated to refer those crimes to the appropriate United States Attorney.
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What crime were they investigating initially that led to the campaign finance stuff?
 
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Matt2496 said:
IMO, the campaign finance violations are chump change compared to the alleged Russia stuff.

Furthermore, it's questionable whether it was even a crime to begin with considering he payed the women off with HIS own money. The only potential crime will be the attempted cover-up of said payments.
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I don't get your reasoning. If trump is not guilty for paying off women with his own money why is Cohen guilty for paying off women with Trump's money.
 
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Matt2496 said:
IMO, the campaign finance violations are chump change compared to the alleged Russia stuff.

Furthermore, it's questionable whether it was even a crime to begin with considering he payed the women off with HIS own money. The only potential crime will be the attempted cover-up of said payments.
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I don’t see how covering up something not illegal could be illegal but heck ya never know with these guys.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
Are you saying one can plead guilty and be sentenced to jail for something that's not a crime? I'm not buying it.
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hog88 said:
Sure you can
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0nelilreb said:
Any time a liberal person is talking about “ reasonable people “ you should immediately have a look of concern on your face , hold your wallet , and start looking for a corner you can back into .
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I gave you a like because that was a much more eloquent way of calling me unreasonable than Hogg's method. '72, where you at? Give the man a like.
 
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C-south said:
Finding unrelated dirt on people not pertaining to the initial witch hunt only shows how hypocritical the left is. So many dims have done far worse than any of these guys yet get a free pass. Reasonable people see where the real corruption lies.
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This from the party that hyperventilated with glee over the Starr investigation? Priceless.
 
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C-south said:
Did you predict Hillary to win? Would this witch hunt be happening if she had?
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Of course and of course not. We would have 5 ongoing witch hunts that would put this one to shame. (probably a good thing Trump won in the long run)
 
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