TrumPutinGate

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BowlBrother85 said:
Manipulate the results of a Presidential election... as far as an American citizen such as Roger Stone is concerned, this can also be construed as treason.
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Are you kidding? Mueller has already said (in the Russian indictments) that no Americans were knowingly involved in the hacking.

If anything, he knew about it and didn't report it.
 
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Matt2496 said:
Are you kidding? Mueller has already said (in the Russian indictments) that no Americans were knowingly involved in the hacking.

If anything, he knew about it and didn't report it.
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We'll see where it goes... Stone clearly did have advanced knowledge of the releases and was working as a go between with WikiLeaks and (as well as Corsi) the Trump campaign to minimize the damage of the Access Hollywood video on the Trump campaign.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
We'll see where it goes... Stone clearly did have advanced knowledge of the releases and was working as a go between with WikiLeaks and (as well as Corsi) the Trump campaign to minimize the damage of the Access Hollywood video on the Trump campaign.
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Does that constitute treason?
 
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#20,834
Matt2496 said:
Does that constitute treason?
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I'm not an attorney... I think having correspondence and a mutually beneficial relationship with a hostile actor to the United States (such as Assange has proven to be, time and time again) was not a very smart thing for Stone to be doing. It's perilously close to treason.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
There is no way to know that... and it really doesn't matter. Trump clearly saw the WikiLeaks releases as an advantage for him and he did use them at his rallies: "I Love WikiLeaks!"
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Again, there's no proof that any of this altered a single vote.

The real question is, why didn't Obama do more to stop the hacks? He knew about the looming cyber threat and gave a stand down order.
 
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Matt2496 said:
Again, there's no proof that any of this altered a single vote.

The real question is, why didn't Obama do more to stop the hacks? He knew about the looming cyber threat and gave a stand down order.
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I think it was a mistake but his reasoning made sense... Trump was shouting "The system is rigged, folks!" at his campaign rallies and Obama was very sensitive to the perception that any action he took would either be interpreted as assisting the Clinton campaign or making a proactive excuse for her losing the election.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
I think it was a mistake but his reasoning made sense... Trump was shouting "The system is rigged, folks!" at his campaign rallies and Obama was very sensitive to the perception that any action he took would either be interpreted as assisting the Clinton campaign or making a proactive excuse for her losing the election.
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1. He could've easily allowed the CIA and the NSA be running classified cyber ops to prevent the Russian hacks.

2. Even if leaked sooner or later, Obama would be portrayed as a hero credited with stopping the Russians.

All but maybe Infowars readers would have looked very highly on Obama for doing such a thing. He would have been credited with saving the integrity of our elections.

However, Obama wanted to frame Trump so he gave the stand down order.
 
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Matt2496 said:
1. He could've easily allowed the CIA and the NSA be running classified cyber ops to prevent the Russian hacks.

2. Even if leaked sooner or later, Obama would be portrayed as a hero credited with stopping the Russians.

All but maybe Infowars readers would have looked very highly on Obama for doing such a thing.
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This isn't hard to call BS on. In the hyper-cynical world we live in today, conservatives would be howling "FALSE FLAG!" and would still not want to believe that the Russians had tried to assist Trump. The DNC was supposedly sending bombs to themselves two months ago, remember?
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
This isn't hard to call BS on. In the hyper-cynical world we live in today, conservatives would be howling "FALSE FLAG!" and would still not want to believe that the Russians had tried to assist Trump. The DNC was supposedly sending bombs to themselves two months ago, remember?
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So Obama was more concerned about political perception than saving the integrity of our elections.

Got it.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Seriously? If I steal your car, do you just chalk it up to not having a good enough alarm... or do you call the police and report the theft?
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Of course I alert the police. Then I let them have it to look for evidence of the thief.

Unless I scared they will find my cocaine, heroine, pot, opiates.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Once the network was hacked into and information stolen, what was the CIA going to do about it?
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Try to keep up. Both Obama and intelligence agencies had foreknowledge of the cyber threat. Cybersecurity is a thing you know.
 
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Matt2496 said:
So Obama was more concerned about political perception than saving the integrity of our elections.
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He attempted to make a joint statement about what was happening with GOP congressional leaders, to minimize the appearance of tipping the scales, and they refused.

Did Obama make mistakes with respect to Russia? Yes. But history will judge him more kindly than it will McConnell and Ryan.
 
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