TrumPutinGate

[RockyTop85]

I'm actually talking about the counterintelligence spying that was done using a FISA warrant and 3 extensions based on information contained in the Steele dossier.

I'm not ok with the federal government abusing their power to investigate political opponents.

How are you ignoring all of the information we already know regarding Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Andrew McCabe, John Carlin, Bruce Ohr, Christopher Steele, Glenn Simpson, James Baker, James Wolfe, etc, etc, etc?

The truth will eventually come out.

The 4th FISA application will be declassified.

I'm ready, but I doubt the liberals will even believe it - complete and total denial by everyone on the left.

Well, I’m not sure how anybody could have guessed that, since you were crying about the FBI investigating Trump before they could prove a crime and then moved the goalpost to the impropriety of the police state (probably 5 minutes after fapping to the thought of of the military and NSA [isnt that who we settled on being in charge of “the storm” or are you still unwilling to pin that down?] blackmailing other elements of the government and holding secret trials for the ones who refuse to step down.)

All of that easy to “ignore” when you aren’t refusing to acknowledge that George Popadopalaus bragging to the Australians corroborates the information from the dossier necessary for probably cause and is what kickstarted the appointment of the special counsel. Also, more than half of the original warrant application was redacted, so there is still more evidence than what’s available for public consumption.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Well, I’m not sure how anybody could have guessed that, since you were crying about the FBI investigating Trump before they could prove a crime and then moved the goalpost to the impropriety of the police state (probably 5 minutes after fapping to the thought of of the military and NSA [isnt that who we settled on being in charge of “the storm” or are you still unwilling to pin that down?] blackmailing other elements of the government and holding secret trials for the ones who refuse to step down.)

All of that easy to “ignore” when you aren’t refusing to acknowledge that George Popadopalaus bragging to the Australians corroborates the information from the dossier necessary for probably cause and is what kickstarted the appointment of the special counsel. Also, more than half of the original warrant application was redacted, so there is still more evidence than what’s available for public consumption.

Reporter who broke news of Steele dossier used to surveil ex-Trump aide calls its claims largely 'false'

But he added: “When you actually get into the details of the Steele dossier, the specific allegations, we have not seen the evidence to support them, and, in fact, there's good grounds to think that some of the more sensational allegations will never be proven and are likely false."

 

[evillawyer]

Yep! Appeal to authority! So again how’s Ronan doing?

Let me know what you know about historical events (say the civil war) that is not based on what others have told you (history books, teachers, tv shows, etc). I'm pretty sure it's next to nothing. That's how testimony works. We're not there to observe particular events so any knowledge we have of them is, of necessity, based on what others tell us. We typically accept the testimony of those that are reliable and reject the testimony of those who are liars. Greg Miller has proven himself to be a solid journalist. That means he is vetting his sources and the stories they tell him before running with them. Sanders, as we all know, has a tenuous relationship (at best) with the truth.

As far as Ronan goes, what did he get wrong?

 

[NorthDallas40]

You’ve leaned on appeal to authority before. Specifically on the Farrow/Rameriz crap. Nope, I don’t recognize the credibility of your journalist. Get his source on the record or GTFO

 

[BowlBrother85]

Reporter who broke news of Steele dossier used to surveil ex-Trump aide calls its claims largely 'false'

That is ridiculous... and could only appear on Fox. Only a small detail of the dossier was "salacious" and the majority of it has been verified. The main focus of the dossier is that Russia did interfere in the 2016 Presidential election for the purpose of assisting the Trump campaign. That claim has been verified.

 

[NorthDallas40]

That is ridiculous... and could only appear on Fox. Only a small detail of the dossier was "salacious" and the majority of it has been verified. The main focus of the dossier is that Russia did interfere in the 2016 Presidential election for the purpose of assisting the Trump campaign. That claim has been verified.

So isikoff didn’t say that? It’s quoted and presented as a direct quote. This is on the record. I know that’s a foreign concept to you idiots.

 

[BowlBrother85]

So isikoff didn’t say that? It’s quoted and presented as a direct quote. This is on the record. I know that’s a foreign concept to you idiots.

Isikoff explained what he meant by that on MSNBC last month... this is an old story. Basically, that is not the full text of what he said.

 

[evillawyer]

You’ve leaned on appeal to authority before. Specifically on the Farrow/Rameriz crap. Nope, I don’t recognize the credibility of your journalist. Get his source on the record or GTFO

Seems like Ronan's reporting on that was pretty well corroborated and he was quite open in his reporting about gaps in her memory. Certainly, nothing in his reporting on that has been proven false. The fact that it was rejected by Republican senators doesn't tell us much. They also reject climate change.

 

[1972 Grad]

Seems like Ronan's reporting on that was pretty well corroborated and he was quite open in his reporting about gaps in her memory. Certainly, nothing in his reporting on that has been proven false. The fact that it was rejected by Republican senators doesn't tell us much. They also reject climate change.

The climate changes, always has, always will. Do you find it feasible that the Earth could be 91 million miles from its heat source, and the temps and weather patterns would stay identical forever? Do our thermometers that have been on the Sun for a million years show the same readings every year from our heater?

Do we know that the heat given off by radioactive decay inside the Earth has been constant for a million years? What if it is slowing down or speeding up? Have we taken a journey to the center of the Earth to determine the rate of decay?

 

[DC_Vol]

you guys haven’t learned yet. Hopefully one day you’ll realize how bad you’ve been played. I’d be ashamed.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Isikoff explained what he meant by that on MSNBC last month... this is an old story. Basically, that is not the full text of what he said.

I just watched the whole video. He doubled down on that quote above near verbatim. In fact he stressed heavily the Cohen Prague claim as proof... which has still not been proven and which Cohen still vehemently denies. Which would have him lying to Mueller. You’re FOS.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Seems like Ronan's reporting on that was pretty well corroborated and he was quite open in his reporting about gaps in her memory. Certainly, nothing in his reporting on that has been proven false. The fact that it was rejected by Republican senators doesn't tell us much. They also reject climate change.

Lol sure... ok. Nobody corroborated her.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Hmmm? Believe WaPo, which has been highly reliable, or believe Trump's SS, who has been caught in numerous lies. Yeah, I'll go with WaPo on this one.

Wapo is owned by Bezos. They're and have been a far left leaning newspaper for years.


In November 2016, the Post published a story that relied heavily on a report by PropOrNot, an anonymous internet group that seeks to expose what it calls Russian propaganda. PropOrNot published a list of websites they called "bona-fide 'useful idiots'" of the Russian government. Andrew Cockburn, Washington editor for Harper's, was sharply critical of Post's decision to put the story on its front page, calling the article a "sorry piece of trash". Writers in The Intercept, Fortune, and Rolling Stone also criticized Post for including a report by an organization with no reputation for fact-checking in an article on "fake news". Looking more carefully into their methodology, Adrian Chen, staff writer for The New Yorker, argued that PropOrNot's criteria for establishing propaganda were so broad that they could have included "not only Russian state-controlled media organizations", like RT (formerly known as Russia Today), "but nearly every news outlet in the world, including the Post itself" on their list.

 

[evillawyer]

Wapo is owned by Bezos. They're and have been a far left leaning newspaper for years.


In November 2016, the Post published a story that relied heavily on a report by PropOrNot, an anonymous internet group that seeks to expose what it calls Russian propaganda. PropOrNot published a list of websites they called "bona-fide 'useful idiots'" of the Russian government. Andrew Cockburn, Washington editor for Harper's, was sharply critical of Post's decision to put the story on its front page, calling the article a "sorry piece of trash". Writers in The Intercept, Fortune, and Rolling Stone also criticized Post for including a report by an organization with no reputation for fact-checking in an article on "fake news". Looking more carefully into their methodology, Adrian Chen, staff writer for The New Yorker, argued that PropOrNot's criteria for establishing propaganda were so broad that they could have included "not only Russian state-controlled media organizations", like RT (formerly known as Russia Today), "but nearly every news outlet in the world, including the Post itself" on their list.

I think you confuse a commitment to truthful reporting with a liberal bias. That's likely because the truth has not been on the side of this administration.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I just watched the whole video. He doubled down on that quote above near verbatim. In fact he stressed heavily the Cohen Prague claim as proof... which has still not been proven and which Cohen still vehemently denies. Which would have him lying to Mueller. You’re FOS.

Nope. Google "Michael Isikoff interview with Chris Hayes on Steele Dossier" and watch that video. Isikoff explains that the full text of what he said was not included... Isikoff had added that while some of the more sensational claims in the Steele dossier may have been false, he is also quick to add that "in broad strokes, Steele was clearly on to something." That is an important line which was left out. Watch that interview... do you really think Isikoff who wrote a book with David Corn of Mother Jones, is going to discredit the Steele dossier? He literally laughs at the question when Hayes asks him if the Steele dossier has been discredited. Get a clue. And this is an old story.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Nope. Google "Michael Isikoff interview with Chris Hayes on Steele Dossier" and watch that video. Isikoff explains that the full text of what he said was not included... Isikoff had added that while some of the more sensational claims in the Steele dossier may have been false, he is also quick to add that "in broad strokes, Steele was clearly on to something." That is an important line which was left out. Watch that interview... do you really think Isikoff who wrote a book with David Corn of Mother Jones, is going to discredit the Steele dossier? Get a clue. And this is an old story.

Nope. He indeed recited the quote I put near verbatim. I watched the damn interview. You heard what you wanted to hear! He doubled down on Cohen/Prague from the dossier as significant. Not proven and still denied by Cohen!

And the line you’re chest thumping on was in the article I linked idiot!

U Lose Again!

 

[evillawyer]

For anyone who's interested, here's a story on Greg Miller, author of the WaPo article, that discusses his use of anonymous sources.

I didn't realize it, but he's the guy that broke the Michael Flynn story that led to his resignation.

But I know, I know. Partisan hack who lies out the wazoo.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

I think you confuse a commitment to truthful reporting with a liberal bias. That's likely because the truth has not been on the side of this administration.

Wapo is garbage. Stop trying to paint them as a reliable newspaper or news source.

 

[C-south]

The climate changes, always has, always will. Do you find it feasible that the Earth could be 91 million miles from its heat source, and the temps and weather patterns would stay identical forever? Do our thermometers that have been on the Sun for a million years show the same readings every year from our heater?

Do we know that the heat given off by radioactive decay inside the Earth has been constant for a million years? What if it is slowing down or speeding up? Have we taken a journey to the center of the Earth to determine the rate of decay?

The only way an insignificant dim can feel important is if they find some feel good cause to get behind whether it’s fabricated or not.

 

[lawgator1]

Honest question. What actions as POTUS in specific would ever raise the suspicions that Trump was a Russian agent?

We don't know yet. But we will soon. And the only thing more gratifying than seeing Trump summarily thrown out of office will be the MASSIVE humiliation of those of you who insisted on defending him despite OVERWHELMING and repeated instances of him acting guilty AF ....because he was.

Watching Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity struggle to hang on for dear life, as they are pummeled over and over with clips of their own words thrown back at them, will be joyous.

 

[1972 Grad]

The only way an insignificant dim can feel important is if they find some feel good cause to get behind whether it’s fabricated or not.

I'm no climate scientist, but it seems inconceivable to me that the climate wouldn't change over time. It probably goes in cycles, and the cycles may be 1,000 years or 10,000 years, or...……?

 

[NorthDallas40]

We don't know yet. But we will soon. And the only thing more gratifying than seeing Trump summarily thrown out of office will be the MASSIVE humiliation of those of you who insisted on defending him despite OVERWHELMING and repeated instances of him acting guilty AF ....because he was.

Watching Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity struggle to hang on for dear life, as they are pummeled over and over with clips of their own words thrown back at them, will be joyous.

And when the shoe is on the other foot will you finally get the hell out and go home?

 

[1972 Grad]

We don't know yet. But we will soon. And the only thing more gratifying than seeing Trump summarily thrown out of office will be the MASSIVE humiliation of those of you who insisted on defending him despite OVERWHELMING and repeated instances of him acting guilty AF ....because he was.

Watching Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity struggle to hang on for dear life, as they are pummeled over and over with clips of their own words thrown back at them, will be joyous.

Soon...………….then you can take a much needed vacation. P.S. Sorry your team got beat today. LOL!

 

[evillawyer]

Wapo is garbage. Stop trying to paint them as a reliable newspaper or news source.

Here's a good test for you: find a mainstream source that says what you believe about WaPo and get back to me when you find one.

 

[1972 Grad]

Here's a good test for you: find a mainstream source that says what you believe about WaPo and get back to me when you find one.

The reason they are "mainstream" is because they all parrot the establishment line. Anyone that doesn't is considered a radical or a liar.