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Mick said:
Steele was a trusted member of the intelligence community of one of our allies so are you saying he colluded with the russians to give the FBI bogus information? Or are you saying Clinton colluded with the Russians? Where is the collusion with the hostile foreign power known as Russia?
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The Clintons paid Steele to collect dirt on Trump. Steele went to the Russian government to collect said dirt. Team Clinton and the DNC was fully aware (disclosed in the dossier) that the dirt came from Russian government officials. Not sure why that is so hard to follow.

Rather than get help directly from Russia they went through a 3rd party.
 
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volinbham said:
The Clintons paid Steele to collect dirt on Trump. Steele went to the Russian government to collect said dirt. Team Clinton and the DNC was fully aware (disclosed in the dossier) that the dirt came from Russian government officials. Not sure why that is so hard to follow.

Rather than get help directly from Russia they went through a 3rd party.
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They paid money to russia for false information that they knew was false in order for steele to give that information to the FBI? Why pay the Russians for something you know to be lies? Steele could have just made it up and said he got it from russian government officials?
 
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Mick said:
Like Manafort? The clintons paid to get information from russia and the russians paid to get information from Manafort. Is that the comparison?
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If Team Trump was given alleged dirt on HC from the Russians and used it in the campaign would you have any issue with that?
 
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Mick said:
They paid money to russia for false information that they knew was false in order for steele to give that information to the FBI? Why pay the Russians for something you know to be lies? Steele could have just made it up and said he got it from russian government officials?
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I never said they thought it was false. I don't think Steele thought it was false. It wasn't just given to the FBI. Both HC and Harry Reid used information from the dossier (which they either thought was true or plausible enough to run with) prior to the election to influence the election. They knowingly used information obtained from the Russian government that they paid for to impact the election.
 
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volfanhill said:
How can you conclude any of that until he submits his report?
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Hannity and Limbaugh told him, of course. They are the privalged two that have secret access to Mueller’s files, no one else. So I ask you, how can you possibly dispute what Hannity and Limbaugh know for certain?
 
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Mick said:
Would furtherance of a conspiracy count? We know Russia was trying to interfere in the election using a social media campaign in key states targeting certain demographics of people to help elect Trump. Manafort gave Russia intermediaries campaign polling data used to target those people.
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Again..WGAF? Lol for the millionth time at “polling data”. The libtard messiah said it was impossible. If people were duped because of Facebook memes then push for an IQ test to be eligible to vote. That or blame Facebook or whatever social media platforms you want.
 
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volinbham said:
who knows for Mueller but Comey has damaged his reputation - even neutral observers have found his post FBI career to be self-serving and egotistic.

Mueller was clean prior to this - perhaps there will be no change. The most interesting thing to me will be how anti-Trumpers will react if Mueller finds no actionable collusion.
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You're going to be shocked to learn that lots of folks aren't anti Trump solely because they believe he colluded.
 
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volinbham said:
If Team Trump was given alleged dirt on HC from the Russians and used it in the campaign would you have any issue with that?
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We know Russia did have the dirt on Hillary and released it. I find the 33,000 shares in the Manafort memo about the TT meeting interesting.
 
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C-south said:
Again..WGAF? Lol for the millionth time at “polling data”. The libtard messiah said it was impossible. If people were duped because of Facebook memes then push for an IQ test to be eligible to vote. That or blame Facebook or whatever social media platforms you want.
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If you respond for the millionth time saying the same thing is because nobody GAF what you say because you obviously GAF.
 
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volinbham said:
So Team Trump getting negative opponent information from the Russians is a problem? Why isn't it for Team Clinton?
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Ask the AG. I hear they have been looking for dirt on hillary and apparently you found it. You must be the smartest kid on the short bus with your comparative.
 
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volinbham said:
First, I'm less concerned with was it legal or not and more with the principle. As we know "collusion" per se is not illegal and what people are most bent about is cooperation in some form with a hostile foreign power to impact an election. I'd argue we've established that Team Clinton knowingly did (whether they broke the law or not) and are still waiting to find out if Team Trump did.

Second, I find the hypothetical of comparing something from a British writer being used to the sourcing Steele used (again fully acknowledged in the dossier) and the hypothetical that all those Russian government officials he talked to were completely unaware of why he was asking questions about Trump is a complete waste of discussion. If you really believe that then I'm wasting my time.

I do accept that there can be differences in degree of cooperation with Russia. We don't yet know if and what such cooperation might have been.

My point is why do you and others completely give what Team Clinton did a pass? If you are concerned about the principle of collaboration with foreign hostiles in an election (rather than the legality) why aren't you critical about what your team did?
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Just from the articles I've seen in the past 10 minutes, the only potential election law issue that Clinton ran afoul of is using the law firm to pay Fusion GPS. This allowed her to not disclose the opposition research as a campaign expenditure. But I did not see anyone arguing that merely soliciting information from a foreign national was an election law violation or "collusion." One article gave an example of having a Mexican firm research Mexican real estate deals to uncover dealings in Mexico. Said that was completely kosher.
 
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Mick said:
Ask the AG. I hear they have been looking for dirt on hillary and apparently you found it. You must be the smartest kid on the short bus with your comparative.
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it's so hard to admit your team was dirty all while you hope someone proves the other team was dirty.
 
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evillawyer said:
Just from the articles I've seen in the past 10 minutes, the only potential election law issue that Clinton ran afoul of is using the law firm to pay Fusion GPS. This allowed her to not disclose the opposition research as a campaign expenditure. But I did not see anyone arguing that merely soliciting information from a foreign national was an election law violation or "collusion." One article gave an example of having a Mexican firm research Mexican real estate deals to uncover dealings in Mexico. Said that was completely kosher.
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I'll repeat - I'm talking principle over legality. I'm making no claim Team Clinton broke the law.

If you care about the horrors of a campaign getting help from a foreign hostile as so many in this thread seem to do then I'd expect at least some acknowledgment that Team Clinton paid for help from a foreign hostile to influence the election. For some reason no one can own up to that.

If you're cool with it so long as it didn't break the law at least acknowledge that the help from foreign hostiles isn't the issue; it's the method of getting help.
 
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Mick said:
Your redhat accusations of guilt are misplaced and uninformed all the while trying to exonerate your team by a false comparative.
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I'm not trying to exonerate anyone - we're still waiting the results of the investigation. This thread is full of me saying if the evidence shows he's guilty I'm going to acknowledge it.

OTOH you can't explain why you're cool with your team paying for election help from the Russians and keep deflecting.
 
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evillawyer said:
Liberal Twitter is on this like white on rice





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😂😂

“I never said Donald Trump never colluded. I said the President of the United States never colluded. Well when he colluded, he wasn’t president yet. Once he was President, there was no more need to collude.”

Rudy Giuliani, sometime in 2019, probably.
 
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volinbham said:
Knowingly used information provided from a hostile government to attack a campaign opponent. Isn't that what we're upset about here?
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Actually, we're upset about what the foreign government was/is doing. And it goes well beyond indirectly providing (whether intentional or not) information to a political consulting firm.

For the sake of argument, though, say the dossier was a Kremlin scheme. What was its motive to provide the Clinton campaign with false information on Trump's ties to Russia?
 
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volinbham said:
I'm not trying to exonerate anyone - we're still waiting the results of the investigation. This thread is full of me saying if the evidence shows he's guilty I'm going to acknowledge it.

OTOH you can't explain why you're cool with your team paying for election help from the Russians and keep deflecting.
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Which Russians did Hillary pay?
 
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