TrumPutinGate

[C-south]

So you're taking the word of a partisan talking head over the actual federal judge involved? OK

What about fake news??

You mean activist judge? Yea they’re a dime a dozen nowadays.

 

[hog88]

Syria, Western Europe, NATO.

What are countries and/or parts of a continent and an organization.

 

[hog88]

Seriously?

If Putin had a wish list of 7 foreign policy goals for the United States to follow, wouldn't it look something like this? :

1) Weaken and divide the transatlantic alliance by undermining the U.S. relationships with European allies and call into question the U.S. commitment to NATO. That is what Trump has done from the start.

2) Disrupt American leadership of the global economic order. Trump is eagerly pushing for an all-out trade war with Europe.

3) Build global resentment and distrust towards the U.S. and stoke anti-American sentiment. America's closest allies are explicitly suspicious and distrusting of the U.S. because of Trump's rhetoric and actions.

4) Relieve economic and domestic political pressure from U.S. sanctions on Russia. Trump has tried to roll back, impede, and blunt the impact of sanctions on Russians at every step. See Oleg Deripaska.

5) Legitimize the Putin regime in the eyes of the world. Trump repeatedly praises and defends Putin, lending the weight of the U.S. presidency providing validation towards Putin's cause.

6) Revive Russia's status as a great power and gain international recognition for its illegal seizure of Crimea. Trump publicly says that Crimea is part of Russia and calls for Russia to be welcomed back into the international community (the G8) with no concessions whatsoever.

7) Continue to sow discord in Western democracies and avoid repercussions for interfering in U.S. and European elections. Trump has repeatedly dismissed Russian interference into the 2016 U.S. Presidential election and sought to discredit his own intelligence community while publicly siding with Vladimir Putin over Dan Coats such as he did at the Helsinki press conference last July.

1) hasn't happened, he simply got them to start contributing what they pledged to contribute.

2) Trump won, it's over now.

3)Pure delusion on your part. Any resentment is because we are no longer putting other countries before our own.

4)He's the president, he doesn't have to try. With a stroke of a pen he could do. Another example of pure fantasy.

5)Putin was already legitimate, how can you argue otherwise. Hell Obama let him annex part of another country for heaven sake.

6)Crimea is apart of Russia now, Obama let them have it. What short of war can Trump do about it now? More sanctions that no one is calling for?

7)Sceeeeeeeeeech!

 

[BowlBrother85]

1) hasn't happened, he simply got them to start contributing what they pledged to contribute.

2) Trump won, it's over now.

3)Pure delusion on your part. Any resentment is because we are no longer putting other countries before our own.

4)He's the president, he doesn't have to try. With a stroke of a pen he could do. Another example of pure fantasy.

5)Putin was already legitimate, how can you argue otherwise. Hell Obama let him annex part of another country for heaven sake.

6)Crimea is apart of Russia now, Obama let them have it. What short of war can Trump do about it now? More sanctions that no one is calling for?

7)Sceeeeeeeeeech!

You would defend Trump for anything and frankly, it's not worth arguing with the unconditional supporter of a puppet. The lifting of sanctions on Deripaska in particular, in no way benefits the United States of America or its people, and is very suspicious. Why was that done? What did Trump gain from it? It's ridiculous.

 

[tvolsfan]

1) hasn't happened, he simply got them to start contributing what they pledged to contribute.

2) Trump won, it's over now.

3)Pure delusion on your part. Any resentment is because we are no longer putting other countries before our own.

4)He's the president, he doesn't have to try. With a stroke of a pen he could do. Another example of pure fantasy.

5)Putin was already legitimate, how can you argue otherwise. Hell Obama let him annex part of another country for heaven sake.

6)Crimea is apart of Russia now, Obama let them have it. What short of war can Trump do about it now? More sanctions that no one is calling for?

7)Sceeeeeeeeeech!

 

[Mick]

What we know about Rudy Giuliani's relationship with a shady Russian-Ukrainian oligarch

It wasn't clear why Rudy Giuliani took a day in November 2017 to travel to the Ukrainian city of Kharkiv.

Now, more light has been shed on Giuliani and his oddball Ukrainian associates — according to a new profile of Russian-Ukrainian oligarch Pavel ***hs, Giuliani is working to "create a US office for supporting investment in the city." The profile waspublished Nov. 12 in the Ukrainian magazine Novoye Vremya.

***hs — known mainly for negotiating with the Trump Organization for a Trump Moscow project — has arguably been one of Giuliani's murkiest connections in his global consulting business.

Ukrainian oligarch scrutinized by Robert Mueller was a Giuliani client

Giuliani told Mother Jones that Pavel Fuks, an oil and real estate magnate, hired his security firm, Giuliani Security & Safety, in 2017 to advise Kharkiv, a city of 1.4 million in Ukraine. “He was [a] sponsor of a preliminary study that my firm did of security and emergency management in Kharkiv and some on advice on a planned Holocaust Memorial,” Giuliani said in a text message. However, a Ukrainian magazine, Novoye Vremya, reported last year that Fuks said he retained Giuliani to “create a U.S. office for supporting investment in” Kharkiv. When asked about Fuks’ claim, Giuliani said, “I have no knowledge of that.” He said he did not do any work in the United States for Fuks or Kharkiv.

Pavel ***hs, a Ukrainian oligarch who negotiated with Donald Trump and reportedly works with his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani, stands accused of making a threat of violence against a US-based businessman involved in selling him seats to the 45th US president's inauguration.

 

[hog88]

You would defend Trump for anything and frankly, it's not worth arguing with the unconditional supporter of a puppet. The lifting of sanctions on Deripaska in particular, in no way benefits the United States of America or its people, and is very suspicious. Why was that done? What did Trump gain from it? It's ridiculous.

You are wrong, completely wrong. My pleasure comes from poking holes in your hyperbole.

 

[Septic]

You are wrong, completely wrong. My pleasure comes from poking holes in your hyperbole.

If you know it's hyperbole, why do you bother?

 

[BowlBrother85]

You are wrong, completely wrong. My pleasure comes from poking holes in your hyperbole.

A Trump supporter who takes offense to hyperbole? Interesting.

 

[hog88]

If you know it's hyperbole, why do you bother?

Really? you of all people are asking this question.

 

[Mick]

Cohen's Essential Consultants LLC still has important information to contribute to Mueller's investigation. We might get a glimpse when he testifies if he was the sole beneficiary when selling influence within the Administration.

 

[hog88]

A Trump supporter who takes offense to hyperbole? Interesting.

I voted for Jill Stein.

 

[Mick]

You are wrong, completely wrong. My pleasure comes from poking holes in your hyperbole.

The only thing that has holes in it is the pail of water you carry for Trump.

 

[Mick]

I voted for Jill Stein.

Is that supposed to make you look smart?

 

[hog88]

Is that supposed to make you look smart?

Oh yeah. She was the only honest candidate running.

 

[hog88]

The only thing that has holes in it is the pail of water you carry for Trump.

I was going to vote for him in 2020 (if he ran) now that's out.

 

[Stew Cook]

Oh yeah. She was the only honest candidate running.

Are you sure it's not because she was having dinner with Putin and Flynn?

 

[General Jack]

Oh yeah. She was the only honest candidate running.

If honesty is a key criteria for your support how do you appear pre-disposed to supporting trump?

(This isn't a 2016 question, this is a 2019 question)

 

[hog88]

If honesty is a key criteria for your support how do you appear pre-disposed to supporting trump?

(This isn't a 2016 question, this is a 2019 question)

I don't like Trump but he won the election fair and square. He's not the one damaging our country, it's everyone who is fighting him tooth and nail that is doing exactly what the Russians wanted. It's fine to be critical and disagree with him but the investigation and opposition has reached unforgivable levels.

And after his bump-stock ban Trump lost my vote in 2020.

 

[volinbham]

If honesty is a key criteria for your support how do you appear pre-disposed to supporting trump?

(This isn't a 2016 question, this is a 2019 question)

I'd argue there's a real difference between supporting Trump and pointing out flaws in arguments against Trump. So much of this thread is "orange man bad" that there's plenty of opportunity insert some sanity. The natural response seems to be if you don't believe all my orange man bad theories then you support Trump. Bad logic.

 

[Stew Cook]

I'd argue there's a real difference between supporting Trump and pointing out flaws in arguments against Trump. So much of this thread is "orange man bad" that there's plenty of opportunity insert some sanity. The natural response seems to be if you don't believe all my orange man bad theories then you support Trump. Bad logic.

So, do tell why you think "Orange man bad".

 

[1972 Grad]

I don't like Trump but he won the election fair and square. He's not the one damaging our country, it's everyone who is fighting him tooth and nail that is doing exactly what the Russians wanted. It's fine to be critical and disagree with him but the investigation and opposition has reached unforgivable levels.

And after his bump-stock ban Trump lost my vote in 2020.

Maybe Beto or Kamala will rescind the ban.

 

[volinbham]

So, do tell why you think "Orange man bad".

I think he's a buffoon and petty. There's a host of people I'd rather have a POTUS.

 

[Stew Cook]

I think he's a buffoon and petty. There's a host of people I'd rather have a POTUS.

Sounds legit.

 

[hog88]

Maybe Beto or Kamala will rescind the ban.

Maybe but the early leader for my vote is Gabbard as of now.