TrumPutinGate

[tvolsfan]

I thought Fox News wasn’t a creditable organization?

There are plenty of news organizations reporting that. He just chose that one site since he knew it would get the least argument here.

 

[hog88]

And if it is true, how much does that concern you?

In my mind (I'm sure you love that qualifier), that is very similar to fraudulent advertising.

Doesn’t concern me in the least. Why should it?

 

[General Jack]

I thought Fox News wasn’t a creditable organization?

I quote Fox News almost exclusively.

 

[tvolsfan]

I don't care what he does as long as he gets confirmed and ends this hoax investigation

It’s too late for that. It’s possible the report is underwhelming, but no way Trump is gonna just get away with suppressing what has been uncovered.

 

[Hunerwadel]

I have been around long enough to remember when a democrat President made fun of a candidate and him and his supporters in the media would laugh for suggesting our election could be tampered with. Ahh the good old days

I'm sure that was before Al Gore invented the internet.

 

[volinbham]

The agreement states that NATO members must meet the 2% of GDP spending goal by 2024. It's 2019.

As I understand it the commitment to 2% has been long standing; in 2014 after years of members not meeting that the made an agreement for everyone to get there by 2024.

Regardless, Germany is the 2nd largest economy in NATO but just the 4th largest contributor.

The deal could use some work.

 

[General Jack]

I don't care what he does as long as he gets confirmed and ends this hoax investigation

So trump over all else, huh, truth be damned? End justifies the means, no matter the cost? Damn the torpedos and full speed ahead, no matter what. You've cast your lot and are balls deep, hook line and sinker.

PS: if you'd like to expand your mind a bit, look up the definition of hoax and compare that to the results of the investigation thus far

 

[General Jack]

As I understand it the commitment to 2% has been long standing; in 2014 after years of members not meeting that the made an agreement for everyone to get there by 2024.

Regardless, Germany is the 2nd largest economy in NATO but just the 4th largest contributor.

The deal could use some work.

That's a reasonable position. Unfortunately trump isn't reasonable.

 

[volinbham]

Thanks for digging those up. The dollars are not nearly as disproportionate as they appear without that context. There is a consensus position that we would like certain countries to pay more.

However, undermining the institution itself and threatening to leave because of the finances is reckless and misguided at best and suspicious at worst.

I explicitly acknowledged that.

I do not support Trump's NATO rhetoric - I'm just not ready to say it's because he's on the hook to Putin.

 

[hog88]

You're a trip man. Compare the bios of Mueller and trump and tell me who the crook is.

Even trump's new AG candidate is effusive in praise for Mueller, who happens to be a decorated marine and war veteran and a Republican.

I doubt Trump ever ok’ed letting a murder operate with impunity or let fought to keep 2 guys in prison for a crime he knew they didn’t commit.

But hey, we probably have differing options on what is crooked.

 

[volfanjustin]

So trump over all else, huh, truth be damned? End justifies the means, no matter the cost? Damn the torpedos and full speed ahead, no matter what. You've cast your lot and are balls deep, hook line and sinker.

PS: if you'd like to expand your mind a bit, look up the definition of hoax and compare that to the results of the investigation thus far

2 years plus of an "investigation" into Russian collusion which of course no one really knows what that even means and nothing criminal and all we have are people convicted on 2 things: lying to the crooked prosecutor and tax invasion 20 years ago. Definition: hoax

 

[tvolsfan]

2 years plus of an "investigation" into Russian collusion which of course no one really knows what that even means and nothing criminal and all we have are people convicted on 2 things: lying to the crooked prosecutor and tax invasion 20 years ago. Definition: hoax

I’m sure this made more sense in your head.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

Thats a fun metric. How about comparing the size of the respective economies, while you're at it to provide a little context.

I don't mind giving money to Nato. Our billions I don't agree with is going to countries like Iran.

 

[carlos86]

As I understand it the commitment to 2% has been long standing; in 2014 after years of members not meeting that the made an agreement for everyone to get there by 2024.

Regardless, Germany is the 2nd largest economy in NATO but just the 4th largest contributor.

The deal could use some work.

If you want European countries to have larger militaries than the U.S. should rework the treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe which we basically made every major NATO country sign.

 

[Hunerwadel]

If this "collusion" was a fact it would not have taken 2 plus years. What's taking all this time is they are going after people and crap that doesn't have anything to do with Russia or "collusion" Crooked Mueller is way out of his scope here but he's bffs with Comey and a never Trumper so I'm not surprised

I'm amazed at how many people on this board have access to Mueller's files

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

I'm amazed at how many people on this board have access to Mueller's files

The irony in this post is dripping!

 

[luthervol]

Doesn’t concern me in the least. Why should it?

Because it would mean that he knowingly paid to lie to the American public by providing false information disguised at factual data for the sole purpose of personal benefit.

And that is the definition of fraud. If that does not rise to your level of concern, then Trump should indeed be your man.

In law, fraud is deliberate deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain, or to deprive a victim of a legal right. Fraud itself can be a civil wrong (i.e., a fraud victim may sue the fraud perpetrator to avoid the fraud or recover monetary compensation), a criminal wrong (i.e., a fraud perpetrator may be prosecuted and imprisoned by governmental authorities), or it may cause no loss of money, property or legal right but still be an element of another civil or criminal wrong.[1] The purpose of fraud may be monetary gain or other benefits, such as obtaining a passport or travel document, driver's license or qualifying for a mortgage by way of false statements.[2]

 

[General Jack]

I explicitly acknowledged that.

I do not support Trump's NATO rhetoric - I'm just not ready to say it's because he's on the hook to Putin.

Fair enough.

 

[General Jack]

I doubt Trump ever ok’ed letting a murder operate with impunity or let fought to keep 2 guys in prison for a crime he knew they didn’t commit.

But hey, we probably have differing options on what is crooked.

Familiar with the central park 5?

 

[General Jack]

I don't mind giving money to Nato. Our billions I don't agree with is going to countries like Iran.

Agree.

 

[volinbham]

If you want European countries to have larger militaries than the U.S. should rework the treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe which we basically made every major NATO country sign.

Fine, doesn't change the point that NATO members have been free-riding to some extent and perhaps things could be made more equitable.

 

[hog88]

Because it would mean that he knowingly paid to lie to the American public by providing false information disguised at factual data for the sole purpose of personal benefit.

And that is the definition of fraud. If that does not rise to your level of concern, then Trump should indeed be your man.

In law, fraud is deliberate deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain, or to deprive a victim of a legal right. Fraud itself can be a civil wrong (i.e., a fraud victim may sue the fraud perpetrator to avoid the fraud or recover monetary compensation), a criminal wrong (i.e., a fraud perpetrator may be prosecuted and imprisoned by governmental authorities), or it may cause no loss of money, property or legal right but still be an element of another civil or criminal wrong.[1] The purpose of fraud may be monetary gain or other benefits, such as obtaining a passport or travel document, driver's license or qualifying for a mortgage by way of false statements.[2]

You mean like a campaign ad?

 

[hog88]

Familiar with the central park 5?

Trump the prosecutor or law enforcement in that case?

 

[C-south]

I’m sure this made more sense in your head.

Because it’s true? Lol. The deranged hatred of Trump keeps any of you dims from making any sense. Everything is speculation, hope, and conjecture.

 

[General Jack]

I doubt Trump ever ok’ed letting a murder operate with impunity or let fought to keep 2 guys in prison for a crime he knew they didn’t commit.

But hey, we probably have differing options on what is crooked.

And further Opinion | Smearing Robert Mueller

"Was Robert Mueller, the special counsel, complicit in one of the worst scandals in the F.B.I.’s history — the decades-long wrongful imprisonment of four men for a murder they didn’t commit?...

"There is no evidence that the assertion is true. I was the federal judge who presided over a successful lawsuit brought against the government by two of those men and the families of the other two, who had died in prison. Based on the voluminous evidence submitted in the trial, and having written a 105-page decision awarding them $101.8 million, I can say without equivocation that Mr. Mueller, who worked in the United States attorney’s office in Boston from 1982 to 1988, including a brief stint as the acting head of the office, had no involvement in that case. He was never even mentioned. "