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MT LeConte said:
I believe the consensus was that Obama missed an opportunity to start a "hot" war with Russia in Eastern Europe. I imagine that would have worked out well.
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At the time sanctions on Russia was the only route to go. NATO and the U.S. were in no position to enter a "hot war" over Ukraine.
 
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carlos86 said:
At the time sanctions on Russia was the only route to go. NATO and the U.S. were in no position to enter a "hot war" over Ukraine.
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The sanctions at the end of 2016? Let's not pretend those were related to Crimea nor Ukraine 2 years after the fact
 
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https://www.google.com/amp/nypost.c...cking-the-trump-and-obama-administration/amp/


The odds favor the possibility that Obama was the king of dirty tricks. Consider that Evelyn Farkas, a former Obama defense official whose portfolio included Russia, said in a March 2 interview that was little noticed until last week that she had urged the Obama White House and congressional Dems to gather information about Trump and protect it from the new administration.
 
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Velo Vol said:
To the extent anything changed, it started well before 2016. That's one part that didn't make sense in your post.
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Huh? Talks of this happening were obviously on going prior to it happening. You don't make such important decisions instantly. Articles going back to at least September of 15 mentioned Russia abandoning the petrodollar in favor of the yuan
 
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carlos86 said:
LOL I hope his link isn't this.

http://www.pravdareport.com/business/finance/31-05-2016/134581-dollar-0/

pravda.ru is run by Konstantin Kostin. A former aide to none other than Vladimir Putin.

Also Sputnik isn't a source to use either since it is Russia state sponsored.

https://sputniknews.com/politics/201512281032422450-iran-china-russia-dedollarization-economy/
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You're talking crazy talk now. Russian state sponsored news would be a bad source for information about Russian trade with China?

Have you lost your mind? Any Russian news would be a great source for that
 
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carlos86 said:
zerohedge.com is the same site that proclaimed Vladimir Putin the greatest leader in the history of statecraft and Bashar al-Assad a benevolent leader.
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I would love to see the links to the article calling Putin the greatest leader in the history of statecraft. I checked and couldn't find that.

As for al-Assad, he's not the monster he's made out to be. He was a secular leader, something that part of the world could use more of.

If these great superheroes of human rights (Obama and Hillary) were going after people for human rights violations, their would've been much bigger fish to fry in the world.
 
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carlos86 said:
zerohedge.com is the same site that proclaimed Vladimir Putin the greatest leader in the history of statecraft and Bashar al-Assad a benevolent leader.
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It's also the same site that said the Steele Dossier was made up by liberals simply because he mispelled "Alfa Bank," just as our resident truth-seekers on here said it was nothing more than a 4chan hoax.

Well, that same "4chan hoax" will most likely end up testifying before congress at some point and has probably already offered statements to the FBI.
 
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We've already seen for a while the bizarre mind-meld of the lunatic right and the lunatic left on Putin and Russia, both seeing him - in their own unique and superbly stupid ways - as the champion of those ran over by globalism, but I've noticed as of late that the nebulous libertarian cohort has jumped on the cheerleading squad too, whether it be Rand Paul or some of the libertarian crew here.

Why libertarians would defend Putin, I'm not really sure, but I think it has something to do with their misguided disdain for their own governments and societies, which they think - for god only knows what reason - are the most failed and deplorable.

On a related note, I wish we could figure out for once and for all whether or not liberals truly want war with Russia. We get "liberals want war with Russia," only to be followed up by "Obama did nothing to stop them."

Make up your mind, for crying out loud. It can't be both. They either want war with Russia, or they don't. Pretty simple.
 
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Vol8188 said:
A Russian news site commenting on Russian trade with China. How is that propaganda?
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There are very few independent news sources in Russia, Novaya Gazeta being perhaps the most notable.

And before you retort, "Well, by that standard, there are hardly any here," I would recommend you read Ben Mezrich's "Once Upon a Time in Russia," with a backwards "R."
 
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Here's the libertarian view:

There is zero evidence that Russia was in anyway involved in our elections.

There is hard evidence that we were involved in France's most recent election.

The intelligence communities claim it was Russia. The same intelligence communities that spy on ever citizen and lied to us about Iraq having nuclear weapons.

The same intelligence communities who we know have the ability to hack servers and make it appear to have came from a different country.

Like cyber security expert John McAfee said "if they claim it appears to have came from Russia, then it wasn't from Russia".
 
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volprof said:
Why libertarians would defend Putin, I'm not really sure, but I think it has something to do with their misguided disdain for their own governments and societies, which they think - for god only knows what reason - are the most failed and deplorable.
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American government = bad
 
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volprof said:
There are very few independent news sources in Russia, Novaya Gazeta being perhaps the most notable.

And before you retort, "Well, by that standard, there are hardly any here," I would recommend you read Ben Mezrich's "Once Upon a Time in Russia," with a backwards "R."
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You're ignoring the question. How are statements about oil trade and using the yuan propaganda?

Is the Russian government lying about abandoning the petrodollar?
 
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Velo Vol said:
American government = bad
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Pretty much.

I'll never quite understand people who hate their own government and people.

I can understand hating your own government if it's truly oppressive, but ours is not.

Libertarians mostly just come across to me as spoiled First Worlders who need something to feel "righteous" about and have very little with which to do so. They are the overly-aggressive SJWs of the political spectrum.
 
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