Two concerning things about Heupel so far in his tenure here that bother me.

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utvolpj said:
That's not what the op said.

He also added this for extra dumb

Did Joe have incriminating photos on Heupel or something?
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utvolpajamas, I think it was the infamous goat farm pics. Joe sent them to CWM and he has them now.
 
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When are you guys gonna give it a rest? Nico had to have time to get ready and Joe allowed him to do just that. Nico will start next season on the right foot because of it. Thank you Joe. We saw just a glimpse of what Nico can do against a good Iowa defense.
 
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DarkVolder said:
1. His ridiculous loyalty to Joe Milton as the starter. It’s crazy to think if Milton hadn’t got hurt in 2021 we would have never seen the greatness of Hendon Hooker and as we all
know was clearly the much better QB. We wouldn’t have gone 11-2 last season either. Remember Joe was always Heup’s guy from day one the moment he got here. Hooker was brought here by Pruitt and Jim Chaney. It also makes me wonder if Nico wasn’t ready to start and play earlier in the season based on what I saw in the bowl game. Did Joe have incriminating photos on Heupel or something?

2. Retaining Tim Banks and Wille Martinez for a fourth year. I can maybe roll with bringing Banks back but Willie too I just don’t understand. The secondary and DB’s have not improved and just regressed if anything. He’s a terrible coach that Georgia didn’t want 15 years ago I didn’t want him when he was here with Butch. It’s asinine to retain him another season we have all seen enough and there is enough stats and data since 2021 to see that he needs to go and Banks probably does as well but definitely keep RG he’s the only defensive coach that is earning his money. It just appears that Heupel won’t fire his buddies and unfortunately that’s gonna cost him his job eventually. Highly successful coaches like Kirby and Harbaugh and others know when they need to shake up their staffs and make changes to keep improving and not get stagnant. And if that means firing your friends well so be it, coaching is a business.
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1. He didn’t stick with Joe, Hendon didn’t produce early big difference. Example when Joe went down. We lost the Pitt game when we could have won had Hooker kept the ball and waked in. Hooker got better but didn’t start the way he finished.

2. DBS weren’t were good. Our fans booed Hadden for being in the lineup.
 
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Best back to back seasons in the AP poll since 1998/1999 after taking over a program struggling with Kentucky and Vandy, while losing 30 players and facing an NCAA investigation. Beating #1 Alabama/Florida in the same year for the first time in the last 4 coaches, or beating Alabama at all for that matter. Beating top 20 teams like LSU, on the road. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

This was always going to be a down year and had Missouri not actually been a great team this year, we are looking at back to back 10+ win seasons. The strides we've made under Heupel are incredible.
 
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DarkVolder said:
1. His ridiculous loyalty to Joe Milton as the starter. It’s crazy to think if Milton hadn’t got hurt in 2021 we would have never seen the greatness of Hendon Hooker and as we all
know was clearly the much better QB. We wouldn’t have gone 11-2 last season either. Remember Joe was always Heup’s guy from day one the moment he got here. Hooker was brought here by Pruitt and Jim Chaney. It also makes me wonder if Nico wasn’t ready to start and play earlier in the season based on what I saw in the bowl game. Did Joe have incriminating photos on Heupel or something?

2. Retaining Tim Banks and Wille Martinez for a fourth year. I can maybe roll with bringing Banks back but Willie too I just don’t understand. The secondary and DB’s have not improved and just regressed if anything. He’s a terrible coach that Georgia didn’t want 15 years ago I didn’t want him when he was here with Butch. It’s asinine to retain him another season we have all seen enough and there is enough stats and data since 2021 to see that he needs to go and Banks probably does as well but definitely keep RG he’s the only defensive coach that is earning his money. It just appears that Heupel won’t fire his buddies and unfortunately that’s gonna cost him his job eventually. Highly successful coaches like Kirby and Harbaugh and others know when they need to shake up their staffs and make changes to keep improving and not get stagnant. And if that means firing your friends well so be it, coaching is a business.
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WOW
 
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Jxn Vol said:
I couldn’t agree more. The blind spot with Joe and loyalty to underperforming coaches is the 2 main concerns. I would also add the hesitancy to play underclassmen in certain positions is the other problem I notice.

I like CJH, but if Spurrier or Saban had Nico on the bench I feel almost certain that they would have figured out a way to get him meaningful snaps. Maybe even create a 2 QB scenario.
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Tua didn't get much action until the 2nd half of the bowl game....
 
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vols 30 said:
OP is not wrong, but 27 wins in 3 years and I'm overlooking a lot .
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Yea he walked into a sheet show when he got here and has averaged 9 wins a game in three seasons and hasn’t had a losing SEC record yet for that he should def be praised and yes overall no doubt I’m happy with the job Josh has done here. We are relevant again in the football world.
 
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DarkVolder said:
Yea he walked into a sheet show when he got here and has averaged 9 wins a game in three seasons and hasn’t had a losing SEC record yet for that he should def be praised and yes overall no doubt I’m happy with the job Josh has done here. We are relevant again in the football world.
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You never sound happy.🙄
 
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KnoxRealtorVOL said:
On the Hooker thing, you just have to understand where it's challenging to pick a starting QB.

Milton clearly is a show stopper in practice. Virtually every practice report we've ever read about him praises him. HH on the other hand, I remember not being impressed by him in the OW game in 2021.

Dobbs was a notoriously bad practicer, but when the lights came on he came alive. HH was at his best under the lights in high pressure situations. JG was phenomenal in practice.

Thats where it gets tough. You have to play the guy that practices the best, until you see the other guy in a high pressure situation and see how he reacts.
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This. Hooker looked like absolute trash in the O&W game. I remember thinking, this guy sucks. Boy, was I wrong.
 
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DarkVolder said:
1. His ridiculous loyalty to Joe Milton as the starter. It’s crazy to think if Milton hadn’t got hurt in 2021 we would have never seen the greatness of Hendon Hooker and as we all
know was clearly the much better QB. We wouldn’t have gone 11-2 last season either. Remember Joe was always Heup’s guy from day one the moment he got here. Hooker was brought here by Pruitt and Jim Chaney. It also makes me wonder if Nico wasn’t ready to start and play earlier in the season based on what I saw in the bowl game. Did Joe have incriminating photos on Heupel or something?

2. Retaining Tim Banks and Wille Martinez for a fourth year. I can maybe roll with bringing Banks back but Willie too I just don’t understand. The secondary and DB’s have not improved and just regressed if anything. He’s a terrible coach that Georgia didn’t want 15 years ago I didn’t want him when he was here with Butch. It’s asinine to retain him another season we have all seen enough and there is enough stats and data since 2021 to see that he needs to go and Banks probably does as well but definitely keep RG he’s the only defensive coach that is earning his money. It just appears that Heupel won’t fire his buddies and unfortunately that’s gonna cost him his job eventually. Highly successful coaches like Kirby and Harbaugh and others know when they need to shake up their staffs and make changes to keep improving and not get stagnant. And if that means firing your friends well so be it, coaching is a business.
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Not just the talent of a coach but finding players that are coachable. Every recruit, 5 star or otherwise, is a gamble. Don’t think Willie would have the staying power he’s had without some positive results along the way
 
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KnoxRealtorVOL said:
On the Hooker thing, you just have to understand where it's challenging to pick a starting QB.

Milton clearly is a show stopper in practice. Virtually every practice report we've ever read about him praises him. HH on the other hand, I remember not being impressed by him in the OW game in 2021.

Dobbs was a notoriously bad practicer, but when the lights came on he came alive. HH was at his best under the lights in high pressure situations. JG was phenomenal in practice.

Thats where it gets tough. You have to play the guy that practices the best, until you see the other guy in a high pressure situation and see how he reacts.
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Correct. Heup never saw HH in a live game until we all did. And once he did, to his credit, he never looked back, even once Joe was healthy.

But, regarding his #2 point...I completely agree...I have no idea how Martinez is still here...or even keeps getting hired at the FBS level.
 
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