Two UT basketball players arrested

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(jakez4ut @ Mar 7 said:
LG, look at this way, maybe they could transfer to UF and they could hook up with the gun toting football players and finally, UF would be on the same level as Miami!!!!!
Couldn't resist.... :biggrin2:
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In the interest of accuracy, Miami has had far fewer problems in these matters in the last few years than UT or UF.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Mar 7 said:
I'm not saying he HAS to keep them. My point, which is contained in an earlier post, is that I want it to be HIS decision. If he believes this merits dismissal, I can live with that. I just don't want two kids tossed to appease the bombthrowers in the media.
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I think it's fair to say that this decision will absolutely come down to the careful consideration of Pearl. Well, Pearl and Hamilton. And I'm reasonably certain(I've very little experience to base this on) that his decision's impact on the lives of these two young men will weigh heavily on his thought process.

LawG touched on it earlier. The handling of this will say a great deal about coach Pearl.
 
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I'm not saying he HAS to keep them. My point, which is contained in an earlier post, is that I want it to be HIS decision. If he believes this merits dismissal, I can live with that. I just don't want two kids tossed to appease the bombthrowers in the media.

Class B felony 8-12 years for a range 1 offender! Like I stated earlier high profile case that will be under the microscope all the way around. I smell a plea but the DA's office does not want to set a new standard. (they may already have one, not familiar with that system). Bruce's decision will be made for him!
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(lawgator1 @ Mar 7 said:
I respectfully disagree. I feel that student-athletes, as representatives of the university, can and indeed should be held to a somewhat higher standard than sophomore # 4,722.
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Well, I was kind of implying the other - that some think student-athletes should be given a more permissive environment. My point was that being an athlete (important to the team) should not be given additional credence towards being MORE lenient. Than you would be with a traditional student.

I agree that student-athletes should have higher standards, however most university codes suggest certain penalties for certain infractions. I've served on judicial boards at 2 different universities. While student-athletes should be held to higher standards, the law (code) of the university has to treat them the same unless specifically otherwise stated.


 
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(hatvol96 @ Mar 7 said:
In the interest of accuracy, Miami has had far fewer problems in these matters in the last few years than UT or UF.
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yeah, yeah, yeah...but in the interest of keeping perceptions accurate, Miami still has a certain "gangsta" perception that carried over from the 80's and early 90's...that's what i was getting at.....joke hat, remember....lighten up man!!!! :biggrin2:
 
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(jakez4ut @ Mar 7 said:
yeah, yeah, yeah...but in the interest of keeping perceptions accurate, Miami still has a certain "gangsta" perception that carried over from the 80's and early 90's...that's what i was getting at.....joke hat, remember....lighten up man!!!! :biggrin2:
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"Perceptions" or "Stereotypes?"
 
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It is difficult to compare Miami to any other football program because it is one of the very few private schools out there that has the resources to compete nationally against the big public universities. Auburn is another and they, too, have certainly had their share of problems.

While I do believe that the NCAA applies at least similar criteria to letting them into school, the reality is that the private schools seem to have a little more leeway in dealing with the troublesome ones once they are there.

Miami does still have that "gangsta" image. In fact, in my opinion as a native Floridian, the university to some degree promotes that image when it comes to their athletics program. The really interesting thing about that school is the fan base. Didn't exactly see them protest when some members of the team made that rap video a few years back.

Have you ever been to the Orange Bowl for a Miami football game? I'd wager that less than a third of the fans wearing Miami stuff actually ever went to school there. There is still, to this day, a commuter school and very local flavor to the place. Most of the kids wearing Miami stuff down there don't even know where the campus is !!!

 
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(hatvol96 @ Mar 7 said:
Good. You don't strike me as a guy who deals in tired, inaccurate stereotypes.
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i try not to, not saying i've never been guilty of it in the past. But in the end, i find that regardless of what the actual reality of the situation is, the perception of what it is, no matter what "it" is, tends to be what is talked about or portrayed, no matter what the subject matter.

 
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(jakez4ut @ Mar 7 said:
i try not to, not saying i've never been guilty of it in the past. But in the end, i find that regardless of what the actual reality of the situation is, the perception of what it is, no matter what "it" is, tends to be what is talked about or portrayed, no matter what the subject matter.
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Ergo the need to boot these kids off the team if, in fact, there is substantial reason to believe that they are even bottom level drug dealers. You just don't need that following your team around.
 
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(lawgator1 @ Mar 7 said:
It is difficult to compare Miami to any other football program because it is one of the very few private schools out there that has the resources to compete nationally against the big public universities. Auburn is another and they, too, have certainly had their share of problems.

While I do believe that the NCAA applies at least similar criteria to letting them into school, the reality is that the private schools seem to have a little more leeway in dealing with the troublesome ones once they are there.

Miami does still have that "gangsta" image. In fact, in my opinion as a native Floridian, the university to some degree promotes that image when it comes to their athletics program. The really interesting thing about that school is the fan base. Didn't exactly see them protest when some members of the team made that rap video a few years back.

Have you ever been to the Orange Bowl for a Miami football game? I'd wager that less than a third of the fans wearing Miami stuff actually ever went to school there. There is still, to this day, a commuter school and very local flavor to the place. Most of the kids wearing Miami stuff down there don't even know where the campus is !!!
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You are dead on about private schools LG. I know one private school that allows you one slip up, however crack would be too major to overlook. Private schools are more inclined to call parents. The big bucks paid to private schools do come with comps, so to speak.
 
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"Ergo the need to boot these kids off the team if, in fact, there is substantial reason to believe that they are even bottom level drug dealers. You just don't need that following your team around."




exactly.
 
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(lawgator1 @ Mar 7 said:
It is difficult to compare Miami to any other football program because it is one of the very few private schools out there that has the resources to compete nationally against the big public universities. Auburn is another and they, too, have certainly had their share of problems.

While I do believe that the NCAA applies at least similar criteria to letting them into school, the reality is that the private schools seem to have a little more leeway in dealing with the troublesome ones once they are there.

Miami does still have that "gangsta" image. In fact, in my opinion as a native Floridian, the university to some degree promotes that image when it comes to their athletics program. The really interesting thing about that school is the fan base. Didn't exactly see them protest when some members of the team made that rap video a few years back.

Have you ever been to the Orange Bowl for a Miami football game? I'd wager that less than a third of the fans wearing Miami stuff actually ever went to school there. There is still, to this day, a commuter school and very local flavor to the place. Most of the kids wearing Miami stuff down there don't even know where the campus is !!!
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Was there for the '03 Tennessee game. It's without question the worst facility I've ever watched a game in.
 
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(lawgator1 @ Mar 7 said:
It is difficult to compare Miami to any other football program because it is one of the very few private schools out there that has the resources to compete nationally against the big public universities. Auburn is another and they, too, have certainly had their share of problems.

While I do believe that the NCAA applies at least similar criteria to letting them into school, the reality is that the private schools seem to have a little more leeway in dealing with the troublesome ones once they are there.

Miami does still have that "gangsta" image. In fact, in my opinion as a native Floridian, the university to some degree promotes that image when it comes to their athletics program. The really interesting thing about that school is the fan base. Didn't exactly see them protest when some members of the team made that rap video a few years back.

Have you ever been to the Orange Bowl for a Miami football game? I'd wager that less than a third of the fans wearing Miami stuff actually ever went to school there. There is still, to this day, a commuter school and very local flavor to the place. Most of the kids wearing Miami stuff down there don't even know where the campus is !!!
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Auburn isn't a private school. It's the largest publicly funded university in the state of Alabama.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Mar 7 said:
I wouldn't.
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OK you wouldn't cut'em. If over 15 grams of Crack with the intent to distribute is not enough to boot a player off the team then what is?
 
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(VolBeef88 @ Mar 7 said:
OK you wouldn't cut'em. If over 15 grams of Crack with the intent to distribute is not enough to boot a player off the team then what is?
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If you read my earlier post you would already know the answer. Substantiated allegation of a crime of egregious violence, rape, especially aggravated assault, homicide, etc.That of course is if it is the players first trouble. Recidivists are a different story.
 
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Show both of them the door. We'll do just fine without them. There are too many guys waiting to play NCAA ball.

 
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If these guys are guilty (crack), and if you don't think that is a serious offense, go visit your state mental health institutes, mental health centers, psychiatrist, and psychologist and tell them that. while your at it, be sure to inform all of the tax payers that help pay for the crack addicts to enter rehab, or paying for them to be locked up, who by the way are poisioning our youth. :banghead: x10 geez.
 
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(utfantilidie @ Mar 7 said:
If these guys are guilty (crack), and if you don't think that is a serious offense, go visit your state mental health institutes, mental health centers, psychiatrist, and psychologist and tell them that. while your at it, be sure to inform all of the tax payers that help pay for the crack addicts to enter rehab, or paying for them to be locked up, who by the way are poisioning our youth. :banghead: x10 geez.
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Never said it wasn't serious. Just don't think it's unforgivable.
 
#121
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(utfantilidie @ Mar 7 said:
If these guys are guilty (crack), and if you don't think that is a serious offense, go visit your state mental health institutes, mental health centers, psychiatrist, and psychologist and tell them that. while your at it, be sure to inform all of the tax payers that help pay for the crack addicts to enter rehab, or paying for them to be locked up, who by the way are poisioning our youth. :banghead: x10 geez.
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Thank you, Nancy Reagan.
 
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(hatvol96 @ Mar 7 said:
Never said it wasn't serious. Just don't think it's unforgivable.
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There is a difference between forgiveness and consequences.
 
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(volinbham @ Mar 7 said:
There is a difference between forgiveness and consequences.
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They're going to have plenty of consequences. I don't see where their coach piling on helps things.
 
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Upholding team rules and expectations is hardly piling on. Instilling a sense of responsibility is hardly piling on.
 
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(volinbham @ Mar 7 said:
Upholding team rules and expectations is hardly piling on. Instilling a sense of responsibility is hardly piling on.
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Would Pearl kick his own kid out of the house if he got in trouble? If not, he shouldn't exile these guys. Otherwise, all this talk about team as "family" is a bunch of hogwash.
 
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